Jude 1:4, Jesus the only authority, [of the believers

Desert Snake · Feb 21, 2019

Jude 1:4

So, here, varying by translation, however it all means the same thing, Jesus the only authority, of the believers. Note that this is in context of referring to the Lord, G- d, so in this context, if God is the authority, and Jesus is the only authority...
What is that saying.

[[English wording varies by Bible, however, because Jesus is noted as the only, authority, the G- d authority, no matter what name or title, was there, a direct reading of these verses, has to go with that, or, say that the text is wrong. It's quite clear. No interpretation needed, and, attempts at interpreting this verse otherwise, are self refuting.

Earthling · Feb 21, 2019

Disciple of Jesus said:
Jude 1:4

So, here, varying by translation, however it all means the same thing, Jesus the only authority, of the believers. Note that this is in context of referring to the Lord, G- d, so in this context, if God is the authority, and Jesus us the only authority...
What is that saying.

[[English wording varies by Bible, however, because Jesus is noted as the only, authority, the G- d authority, no matter what name or title, was there, a direct reading of these verses, has to go with that, or, say that the text is wrong. It's quite clear. No interpretation needed, and, attempts at interpreting this verse otherwise, are self refuting.

Is this a trinity defense? If it is it's a weak one. It says the Lord, God and Lord Jesus Christ. Both Jehovah and Jesus were gods. Jesus a mighty god and Jehovah God almighty. Both Jehovah and Jesus were lords. Lord means having authority, usually, but not always, granted by someone else. Jesus was appointed as an authority of the believers by Jehovah God. They are not the same beings.

whirlingmerc · Feb 21, 2019

Earthling said:
Is this a trinity defense? If it is it's a weak one. It says the Lord, God and Lord Jesus Christ. Both Jehovah and Jesus were gods. Jesus a mighty god and Jehovah God almighty. Both Jehovah and Jesus were lords. Lord means having authority, usually, but not always, granted by someone else. Jesus was appointed as an authority of the believers by Jehovah God. They are not the same beings.

The father and the son are one in essence and different in persons
so it depends on what sense is meant

Desert Snake · Feb 21, 2019

Earthling said:
Is this a trinity defense? If it is it's a weak one. It says the Lord, God and Lord Jesus Christ. Both Jehovah and Jesus were gods. Jesus a mighty god and Jehovah God almighty. Both Jehovah and Jesus were lords. Lord means having authority, usually, but not always, granted by someone else. Jesus was appointed as an authority of the believers by Jehovah God. They are not the same beings.

No, because the Lord Jesus Christ is called the only Lord, of the believers. The verse doesn't say, one of the, or such, it says only. Again there are variations in the English Bible's of how this is worded, yet since Jesus is the only Lord, of the believers, it's self explanatory.

Earthling · Feb 21, 2019

whirlingmerc said:
The father and the son are one in essence and different in persons
so it depends on what sense is meant

Okay, that's pretty vague and insubstantial. Jesus existed in heaven in spirit form long before being born in physical form on the earth, correct? As whom? Michael, correct? He was created by Jehovah, correct?

Earthling · Feb 21, 2019

Disciple of Jesus said:
No, because the Lord Jesus Christ is called the only Lord, of the believers. The verse doesn't say, one of the, or such, it says only. Again there are variations in the English Bible's of how this is worded, yet since Jesus is the only Lord, of the believers, it's self explanatory.

Who was Jesus' Lord? Who was Lord over Jesus? Is Jehovah not a Lord of the believers? It says in the very verse you gave that there are two distinct Lords. "denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." The only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

I gave the definition of Lord as having authority, usually but not always granted by another. Landlord, for example. What is the difference between a lord and a god? As I pointed out, there are, among many others, at least 2 of each. Jehovah and Jesus. Both gods, both lords.

wizanda · Feb 22, 2019

Disciple of Jesus said:
So, here, varying by translation, however it all means the same thing, Jesus the only authority, of the believers.

Let's look at the Greek words, not translations as people start adding to make it fit with their own ideas:

We've got multiple versions that say δεσπότην Θεόν, which is the 'absolute God, and the Lord Yeshua the Messiah'.

Yeshua/Yahavah Elohim's father is the God Most High (EL Elyon - Luke 1:32, Luke 6:35)...

The Sanhedrin & then the Rabbinic Jews, deny the Divine Council, and thus no longer acknowledge the Source of reality it comes from.

In my opinion.

Desert Snake · Feb 22, 2019

wizanda said:
Let's look at the Greek words, not translations as people start adding to make it fit with their own ideas:

We've got multiple versions that say δεσπότην Θεόν, which is the 'absolute God, and the Lord Yeshua the Messiah'.

Yeshua/Yahavah Elohim's father is the God Most High (EL Elyon - Luke 1:32, Luke 6:35)...

The Sanhedrin & then the Rabbinic Jews, deny the Divine Council, and thus no longer acknowledge the Source of reality it comes from.

In my opinion.

Isho tells us this in the Bible, tells us, that He is Lord, authority.

wizanda · Feb 22, 2019

Disciple of Jesus said:
Isho tells us this in the Bible, tells us, that He is Lord, authority.

Not 100% sure on your sentence structure...

Yet to be clear, who ever added the end to Matthew 28:18 was stupid; as Yeshua is Yahavah, and thus he came with authority (Matthew 12:28), not it was given.

In my opinion.

metis · Feb 22, 2019

I don't take much of anything that I read at literal face-value, and that includes biblical narratives, especially since all scriptures in all religions are subjective, not objective.

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