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So the devil walks into a bar

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
There was no mention of WW2, the moon landing, 911, or other major events of the modern era- or any era after the Bible was written, in fact- in the Bible that would prove the book's legitimacy. Give me something specific that the Bible has said- not something vague- will happen and that HAS come true.

To me, 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13 is Not vague but accurately describes the selfish distorted form of love the world displays.
Also, we are at the ' final phase ' of Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 because the proclaiming about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 has reached global-international proportions as never before in history.
Even people living in remote areas can now have Scripture in their own mother tongue or native languages.
This means we are nearing the ' final signal ', so to speak of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when the ' powers that be ' will be saying, "Peace and Security..." as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
 

Grammerllama

The Devil's Advocate
While I am not the most educated about the bible, I'll give my general opinions on each of the verses and you can correct me when it comes to context and all that.

First up, 2 Timothy 3:1-5. Well, yeah, some people have a distorted form of love. Its been like that for, like, ever. Some people love themselves selfishly, you can see this in just about every culture and mythological canonology going beyond the Christian age. I mean, look at the Greeks! And they wrote down their myths around 700 BC- 700 YEARS before the death of Jesus (supposedly). The bible takes place during the Roman era, who's culture arose in part from the Greeks (as seen from their mythology). So who's to say one of the many writers of the bible didn't find inspiration in the Romans or other civilizations?

As for the book translation bit, I actually must admit how many languages the bible has been translated into. It is pretty astounding. But, can't just about any book with current technology boast the same thing? Humans are social creatures, so we try to communicate as best we can with others. Because religion is obviously such a large part of culture and society, isn't it true that religious texts would be the first to be translated?

Also going back to my Simpsons analogy, there can be one or two hits among many misses. How do you think psychics stay in business? They focus heavily on the hits and try to excuse the misses. It's hard to find an exact number of prophecies in the bible online, so if you know, can you tell me? And can you tell me how many of those have come true exactly? Nothing vague. I should clarify that when I say "vague" I mean something that could fit any circumstance if elaborated on in that context.

And as a side note and not a debate starter, who do you believe will be saved in the end times? And would people like myself have a chance to repent when it happens, or am I basically screwed?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Yes, and then shall the end come. The end of all badness on Earth.
The executional words from Jesus' mouth will rid the Earth of the wicked as per Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16
That is what will enable the humble meek people to inherit the Earth. Earth abides forever as per Ecclesiastes 1:4 B.
Mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' Tree of Life ' for the healing of earth's nations as per Revelation 22:2.
So, the 'Tree of Life' is for the benefit of ' healing ' and Not the end of Earth, or end of life on Earth.
If Earth is to be destroyed then there would be No need to pray the invitation of Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come !
God promised father Abraham that ALL families of Earth will be blessed, and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed.
Blessed with the benefit of ' healing ' for earth's nations as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.

As the Kingdom of England and the Kingdom of Jordan are governments, so too God's Kingdom of Daniel 2:44 is a government.
A kingdom government in the hands of Christ Jesus for a thousand years - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.

Jesus' ransom covers MANY according to Matthew 20:28, so the majority of mankind who have lived and died before Jesus can have the opportunity to believe in Jesus when they are resurrected back to life.- John 3:13.
In that way, the God of Scripture will be universal. Also, today the global proclaiming about Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 has reached its ' final phase' , to so speak, because now people even in remote areas of Earth can have Scripture in their mother tongue or native languages.
Modern technology has made rapid Bible translation possible on a vast international scale as never before in history.

Gosh. I have to be blunt. You scripture does not mean anything to the whole world. Just you.

Can you explain how the god of the jews and gentiles is universal?

How is it a Hindu god?
How is it a Wiccan's god?
How is it a atheist's god?
How is it a Buddhist's god?
How is it a X's god?

If god is universal, these religions above will fall in line with your god and vis versa.

Using scripture, can you explain how these religions have to do with jews and pagans of scripture in that time period and those locations?
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Gosh. I have to be blunt. You scripture does not mean anything to the whole world. Just you.
Can you explain how the god of the jews and gentiles is universal?
How is it a Hindu god?
How is it a Wiccan's god?
How is it a atheist's god?
How is it a Buddhist's god?
How is it a X's god?
If god is universal, these religions above will fall in line with your god and vis versa.
Using scripture, can you explain how these religions have to do with jews and pagans of scripture in that time period and those locations?
Universal or international because the good news about God's kingdom is proclaimed world wide as never before in history just as Jesus said it would be done.
So, anyone, anywhere can choose to listen to what Jesus taught or not.
The God of the Bible forces No one to serve Him.
Thus, it is individuals out of all nations, tribes, tongues and peoples who choose which God they want to serve or not.

Starting with Abraham's time period God was just working through the Jews, and through the Jews then the temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law until Messiah would appear. - Romans 10:4
Jesus as Messiah appeared in the first century and fulfilled the Mosaic Law contract or covenant.
By Jesus sending out his followers into the world ( beyond Israel's borders ) is how the international proclaiming about God's kingdom has now reached even remote parts of the Earth.- Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.
 
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