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Which evolved first, the Eustachian tube or the eardrum.

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
Science needs intelligence, do donkeys understand science.
when one believes that such sophisticated components of the ear
were wired and fixed by the unconscious matter of earth then they
aren't really far different from the donkey's minds.

There's science in how our bodies work, do you think the unconscious matter
of earth understand science and how things can be workable, do all components
evolved altogether and wired by natural events, do you really respect science and
the mind behind science?

The very fact that you would ask if a natural process 'understands science' is yet ANOTHER example of how clueless you are about science works. I suggest that you start off by Googling The Scientific Method.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Reading and memorizing is different than understanding, you're only a memorizer.
I think that this would be an appropriate time for you to explain what it is you think I am memorizing, and what it is that I am not understanding. Could you do that, do you think, or is the naked accusation enough for your purposes?
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
For those who believe in luck and that things may work well without prior plans,
how the ear evolved to perceive the sound waves, was the Eustachian tube first
evolved and then the eardrum next, or was the eardrum first evolved and next
the Eustachian tube, or both happened to evolve together simultaneously during the
process of evolution in the period of millions of years?

ear-anatomy.png
The entire middle ear evolved together as they are controlled by a tightly coupled set of genes. They were originally tightly coupled as they were a bone and its cartiledge/muscle combination used for jaws of animals. The coupling continued to exist during its coevolution into the middle ear structure. Obviously.

Do you really think that the genes for the various body tissues are unconnected to each other. Their functinalities are co-dependent. Change in one creates a cascade of phenotypic expression changes in another.
Anyways, here is a detailed summary of the middle ear evolution.
Major evolutionary transitions and innovations: the tympanic middle ear
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
The entire middle ear evolved together as they are controlled by a tightly coupled set of genes. They were originally tightly coupled as they were a bone and its cartiledge/muscle combination used for jaws of animals. The coupling continued to exist during its coevolution into the middle ear structure. Obviously.

Do you really think that the genes for the various body tissues are unconnected to each other. Their functinalities are co-dependent. Change in one creates a cascade of phenotypic expression changes in another.
Anyways, here is a detailed summary of the middle ear evolution.
Major evolutionary transitions and innovations: the tympanic middle ear

I wonder how people think.

Now you believe that all components of ear and the nerves connected to ear and to the
auditory cortex in brain were evolved gradually and simultaneously altogether by natural
means which resulted in the ability to hear sounds?, how the auditory cortex evolved all along
with the ear to realize the sound signals?
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I wonder how people think.

Now you believe that all components of ear and the nerves connected to ear and to the
auditory cortex in brain were evolved gradually and simultaneously altogether by natural
means which resulted in the ability to hear sounds?, how the auditory cortex evolved all along
with the ear to realize the sound signals?
How is exhaustively given in the paper I linked.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
How is exhaustively given in the paper I linked.

Which part in your link is telling about how the auditory cortex evolved all along with the
ear to realize the sound signals, please quote that specific part in the paper.
 

tas8831

Well-Known Member
Science needs intelligence, do donkeys understand science.
Are you equating yourself with a donkey?
when one believes that such sophisticated components of the ear
were wired and fixed by the unconscious matter of earth then they
aren't really far different from the donkey's minds.

And you believe that one of many ancient middle eastern tribal deities was the one true god and created all that stuff you keep 'asking' about from dust all at once.

And you think OTHER people think like donkeys?
 

tas8831

Well-Known Member
For those that believe a tribal deity fashioned a man from dust, please explain which was created first -
the Eustachian tube or the eardrum!
I see that there is no science in any replies to this amazingly astute question from creationists. That must be because they think like donkeys.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
I see that there is no science in any replies to this amazingly astute question from creationists. That must be because they think like donkeys.

Do you really think that donkeys can think, no they only can memorize as you do.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Science needs intelligence, do donkeys understand science.
when one believes that such sophisticated components of the ear
were wired and fixed by the unconscious matter of earth then they
aren't really far different from the donkey's minds.

There's science in how our bodies work, do you think the unconscious matter
of earth understand science and how things can be workable, do all components
evolved altogether and wired by natural events, do you really respect science and
the mind behind science?

The science shows that our bodies, and all aspects of it, evolved.

Don't blame us for your willfull ignorance.
 

tas8831

Well-Known Member
I wonder how people think.

Now you believe that all components of ear and the nerves connected to ear and to the
auditory cortex in brain were evolved gradually and simultaneously altogether by natural
means which resulted in the ability to hear sounds?, how the auditory cortex evolved all along
with the ear to realize the sound signals?

Not sure why you are so perplexed - do you not believe (with no evidence at all) that all that was poofed by deity-magic from dust one day a few thousand years ago?

Where is THAT plan?
 

tas8831

Well-Known Member
Do you really think that donkeys can think, no they only can memorize as you do.
I would rather memorize like a donkey than "think" like you do. At least then I would be right most of the time.

And I note that with all your fancy thinkin', you still canno0t answer 'Which was created first - the eyebrow or the browridge', or Which was created first, the eardrum or the eustacian tube.'

Can't think enough?
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
For those who believe in luck and that things may work well without prior plans,
how the ear evolved to perceive the sound waves, was the Eustachian tube first
evolved and then the eardrum next, or was the eardrum first evolved and next
the Eustachian tube, or both happened to evolve together simultaneously during the
process of evolution in the period of millions of years?

ear-anatomy.png
I believe the malleus, incus, stapes, cochlea, cochlear nerve, and eustachian tube evolved simultaneously. Then the rest on the diagram, simultaneously. This process occurred separately in 250 taxonomic lines of descent.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Which part in your link is telling about how the auditory cortex evolved all along with the
ear to realize the sound signals, please quote that specific part in the paper.
I was only talking about the middle ear. Did not notice you brought the auditory cortex into it. The auditory cortex evolved much later compared to the ear. Reptiles do not have it at all. They use a more primitive area of brain for sound processing.
The reptilian brain
 
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