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So the devil walks into a bar

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
"Spiritual Nutrition transcends all cultural borders. It is a part of the original spiritual teachings in every country in the world; in every faith all the way back to the ancient Essenes and the wisdom of the Rishis masters of India, regardless of our creed or culture. It was given to all of us as a tool, a step on the path to Enlightenment." ~ Shantree Kacera
We learn about spiritual nourishment from different sources. However, I think they meant sweets and chocolate. :confused:

I would suppose one who likes the spiritual food, or spiritual nourishment, which Jesus dispenses could consider such spiritual nutrition as the best in spiritual sweets and chocolate !
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I would suppose one who likes the spiritual food, or spiritual nourishment, which Jesus dispenses could consider such spiritual nutrition as the best in spiritual sweets and chocolate !

Spiritual good comes from many sources. It depends on what that person wants to eat. Spirituality is not a jesus thing. Its a human thing. It's not a scripture thing. Life is our universal scripture.

Jesus is only nourishment to those who believe in him. Why make him everyone else's food (rather)?
 
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Thief

Rogue Theologian
And, as I said above, there is such a thing as overanalyzing content to fit a narrative.
and also such things as Freudian slips

the creator of Star Trek was said to be a non-believer in Something Greater

but his handiwork is built upon the interaction of lesser characters
dealing with Greater Characters
and the word ....god..... rarely happens in the dialog

but it does.....now and then

the writers in recent efforts continue the practice
even to mention of terms and play found in the bible

did you catch the movie? about a technology called.....Genesis
 

Grammerllama

The Devil's Advocate
and also such things as Freudian slips

the creator of Star Trek was said to be a non-believer in Something Greater

but his handiwork is built upon the interaction of lesser characters
dealing with Greater Characters
and the word ....god..... rarely happens in the dialog

but it does.....now and then

the writers in recent efforts continue the practice
even to mention of terms and play found in the bible

did you catch the movie? about a technology called.....Genesis

So because a character may reference Something Greater, it is evidence of a spiritual influence? And also there is such a thing as referencing something without applying its deeper meaning. It was called Genesis because it was a machine that produced life. So is the spaceship Apollo a slip to the God? Or just a reference to him?
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
So because a character may reference Something Greater, it is evidence of a spiritual influence? And also there is such a thing as referencing something without applying its deeper meaning. It was called Genesis because it was a machine that produced life. So is the spaceship Apollo a slip to the God? Or just a reference to him?
the Apollo was real
and just a name on a ship

the stories of fiction are not real by definition

but the play of character and the story line will have influence

that's why humans tell stories

most stories do have a deeper meaning
they are not interesting otherwise
 

Grammerllama

The Devil's Advocate
the Apollo was real
and just a name on a ship

the stories of fiction are not real by definition

but the play of character and the story line will have influence

that's why humans tell stories

most stories do have a deeper meaning
they are not interesting otherwise

But does that deeper meaning always have to be something spiritual? I think that is where our interpretations differ. We both acknowledge the deeper meanings of Star Trek, but to me it is just using good story telling to convey a message while to you it is evidence for a divine intervention. I'm under the notion of if there is another explanation before something supernatural, spiritual, or religious, then it probably isn't supernatural, spiritual, or religious.

Also I love the whole "..." aesthetic by the way.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Spiritual good comes from many sources. It depends on what that person wants to eat. Spirituality is not a jesus thing. Its a human thing. It's not a scripture thing. Life is our universal scripture.
Jesus is only nourishment to those who believe in him. Why make him everyone else's food (rather)?

I think we are all born with the capacity for spirituality.
Jesus considered himself as the ' bread of life ' because the spiritual food he dispenses leads to: everlasting life.
Once a person has knowledge or experience in learning, then one decides if they ' hear ' the ' voice ', so to speak, of Jesus as their shepherd or not.
This is a reason why Matthew 24:14 is about the international 'good news' message about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 being proclaimed today on such a vast global, world-wide scale as never before in history.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I think we are all born with the capacity for spirituality.
Jesus considered himself as the ' bread of life ' because the spiritual food he dispenses leads to: everlasting life.
Once a person has knowledge or experience in learning, then one decides if they ' hear ' the ' voice ', so to speak, of Jesus as their shepherd or not.
This is a reason why Matthew 24:14 is about the international 'good news' message about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 being proclaimed today on such a vast global, world-wide scale as never before in history.

What I'm getting at is jesus is a personal belief not a universal.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I'm under the notion of if there is another explanation before something supernatural, spiritual, or religious, then it probably isn't supernatural, spiritual, or religious.
nothing beyond the physical?

if it's more than human...there's a Spirit involved
 

Grammerllama

The Devil's Advocate
nothing beyond the physical?

if it's more than human...there's a Spirit involved

We are a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the universe. There is no doubt in my mind there is something "beyond human" in terms of something more advanced than we are. Just because it is more advanced it doesn't make it spiritual. We know next to NOTHING about our universe. An alien species might be a perfect match to some spirit here on earth, but it doesn't make it a spirit. It makes the alien a product of separate evolution and coincidence in a universe where literally anything is fair game in terms of what evolves and what doesn't.

That's another little gripe I have with spirituality: we always put humans in the middle of it like we're the universal medium. To me it's pretty arrogant.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
That's another little gripe I have with spirituality: we always put humans in the middle of it like we're the universal medium. To me it's pretty arrogant.
I find it......as a means to feel small

and if all life is physical......you're not going anywhere

even at the speed of light
your life span will playout before you get to a FRACTION of the distance to the next possible
life supporting solar system

only a spiritual form can transcend the distance
 

Grammerllama

The Devil's Advocate
I find it......as a means to feel small

and if all life is physical......you're not going anywhere

even at the speed of light
your life span will playout before you get to a FRACTION of the distance to the next possible
life supporting solar system

only a spiritual form can transcend the distance

Or advanced enough technology? We won't be around to see it, but our technological capacity will continue to grow and grow until it would seem to us like magic. And as our technology grows, so would other areas like health. Who knows which generation will discovering the cure for aging? Physical doesn't mean inferior. And spiritual isn't superior.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Or advanced enough technology? We won't be around to see it, but our technological capacity will continue to grow and grow until it would seem to us like magic. And as our technology grows, so would other areas like health. Who knows which generation will discovering the cure for aging? Physical doesn't mean inferior. And spiritual isn't superior.
can't agree

science would insist.....nothing is faster than light

only a spirit.....not held to physical law....
can be superior
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
What I'm getting at is jesus is a personal belief not a universal.
Exactly, but what is universal or international in scope is the global-wide proclaiming about the good news message of Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44.
Just as foretold, at Matthew 7:21-23, 13-14, that MANY would Not have a personal belief in Jesus.
I suppose it is more like, even among those 'professing Christians', that God is more interested in quality over quantity.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Or advanced enough technology? We won't be around to see it, but our technological capacity will continue to grow and grow until it would seem to us like magic. And as our technology grows, so would other areas like health. Who knows which generation will discovering the cure for aging? Physical doesn't mean inferior. And spiritual isn't superior.

Modern technology has even helped make rapid Bible translation possible so that now people in remote areas of Earth can now have Scripture in their own mother tongue or native languages.
This means we are nearing the fulfillment of Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 in the international spreading about the good news message about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44.
As to which ' generation ' it will be the ' generation ' left standing at the soon coming ' time of separation' to take place on Earth as mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
Those standing will see the 'cure for aging' because 'enemy death' will be No more as per 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8.
There will be ' healing ' (No sickness) for earth's nations as per Revelation 22:2; 21:4-5; Isaiah 33:24, Isaiah 35th chapter.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I find it......as a means to feel small
and if all life is physical......you're not going anywhere
even at the speed of light
your life span will playout before you get to a FRACTION of the distance to the next possible
life supporting solar system
only a spiritual form can transcend the distance

I find the ^ above ^ to be of interest. Can a physical person might be able to travel by light, etc.
Since ' enemy death ' will be No more as per 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8; Revelation 21:4-5 then does it matter how long it would take to travel somewhere. However, I like it just fine here on terra firma.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Exactly, but what is universal or international in scope is the global-wide proclaiming about the good news message of Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44.
Just as foretold, at Matthew 7:21-23, 13-14, that MANY would Not have a personal belief in Jesus.
I suppose it is more like, even among those 'professing Christians', that God is more interested in quality over quantity.

How so?

4 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Not all religions (even abrahamic ones) have kingdoms. Not a lot are witnesses to "reach in all the world" a lot of which hate evangalism with a passion.

Since god isn't universal, not all people will have a belief in the christian god. It makes sense. The bible confirms what you already believe. It's not a criteria for everyone else.

How is god of scripture universal?
 

Grammerllama

The Devil's Advocate
Modern technology has even helped make rapid Bible translation possible so that now people in remote areas of Earth can now have Scripture in their own mother tongue or native languages.
This means we are nearing the fulfillment of Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 in the international spreading about the good news message about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44.
As to which ' generation ' it will be the ' generation ' left standing at the soon coming ' time of separation' to take place on Earth as mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
Those standing will see the 'cure for aging' because 'enemy death' will be No more as per 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8.
There will be ' healing ' (No sickness) for earth's nations as per Revelation 22:2; 21:4-5; Isaiah 33:24, Isaiah 35th chapter.

So the Simpsons is the holy word of god, too?

Just because a medium guesses something correctly doesn't make it true. The Simpsons has correctly portrayed 30 future events. I couldn't find an exact number for how many Bible prophecies have come true, but many that I read are vague metaphors that could be interpreted in many fashions.

There was no mention of WW2, the moon landing, 911, or other major events of the modern era- or any era after the Bible was written, in fact- in the Bible that would prove the book's legitimacy. Give me something specific that the Bible has said- not something vague- will happen and that HAS come true.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
How so?
4 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Not all religions (even abrahamic ones) have kingdoms. Not a lot are witnesses to "reach in all the world" a lot of which hate evangalism with a passion.
Since god isn't universal, not all people will have a belief in the christian god. It makes sense. The bible confirms what you already believe. It's not a criteria for everyone else.
How is god of scripture universal?

Yes, and then shall the end come. The end of all badness on Earth.
The executional words from Jesus' mouth will rid the Earth of the wicked as per Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16
That is what will enable the humble meek people to inherit the Earth. Earth abides forever as per Ecclesiastes 1:4 B.
Mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' Tree of Life ' for the healing of earth's nations as per Revelation 22:2.
So, the 'Tree of Life' is for the benefit of ' healing ' and Not the end of Earth, or end of life on Earth.
If Earth is to be destroyed then there would be No need to pray the invitation of Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come !
God promised father Abraham that ALL families of Earth will be blessed, and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed.
Blessed with the benefit of ' healing ' for earth's nations as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.

As the Kingdom of England and the Kingdom of Jordan are governments, so too God's Kingdom of Daniel 2:44 is a government.
A kingdom government in the hands of Christ Jesus for a thousand years - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.

Jesus' ransom covers MANY according to Matthew 20:28, so the majority of mankind who have lived and died before Jesus can have the opportunity to believe in Jesus when they are resurrected back to life.- John 3:13.
In that way, the God of Scripture will be universal. Also, today the global proclaiming about Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 has reached its ' final phase' , to so speak, because now people even in remote areas of Earth can have Scripture in their mother tongue or native languages.
Modern technology has made rapid Bible translation possible on a vast international scale as never before in history.
 
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