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Which evolved first, the Eustachian tube or the eardrum.

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Not carrying much about the evolution of either one as I'm puzzled as to why god gave males these useless things:


If we took the example of the Eustachian tube as being a remnant from gill, then
the nipple is a remnant of something as well, maybe creatures were asexual at
one point of time.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Science needs intelligence, do donkeys understand science.
when one believes that such sophisticated components of the ear
were wired and fixed by the unconscious matter of earth then they
aren't really far different from the donkey's minds.

There's science in how our bodies work, do you think the unconscious matter
of earth understand science and how things can be workable, do all components
evolved altogether and wired by natural events, do you really respect science and
the mind behind science?
Science is a method of solving problems:

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The theory of evolution is scientific since it was made and is supported by this method. How are your beliefs "scientific" at all? You need to be able to show how they fit into that simplified flow chart.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member

Sapiens

Polymathematician
Do I have to agree with anything in google? why to debate then?
No, you are not required to agree with everything google finds, that's where lock should kick in.

You do not debate ... you lost the debate long ago. All that you do now is proselytize.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Science needs intelligence, do donkeys understand science.
when one believes that such sophisticated components of the ear
were wired and fixed by the unconscious matter of earth then they
aren't really far different from the donkey's minds.

I mean...I can lend you a shovel if you like? It's a much more efficient way to dig a large hole.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Mammaries appear to have evolved from sweat glands:

The mammary gland and its origin during synapsid evolution. - PubMed - NCBI

You could always try putting your claims in question form and seeing if there is or is not already an answer for them. It would save you a lot of time.

Exactly, science is needed to achieve a goal.

Science is knowing and using the information to achieve a goal, you can't make
a plane without science, you can't make a refrigerator without science, so do
you think that nature understand science?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Exactly, science is needed to achieve a goal.

Science is knowing and using the information to achieve a goal, you can't make
a plane without science, you can't make a refrigerator without science, so do
you think that nature understand science?
We use the scientific method to understand nature "science" on its own cannot know anything.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
For those who believe in luck and that things may work well without prior plans,
how the ear evolved to perceive the sound waves, was the Eustachian tube first
evolved and then the eardrum next, or was the eardrum first evolved and next
the Eustachian tube, or both happened to evolve together simultaneously during the
process of evolution in the period of millions of years?

ear-anatomy.png
Why is your tagline "freedom of mind" when you are fiercely insistent on retaining your chains?

You might do better to actually go and take some courses, if you are seriously interested in this kind of question, rather than raising those questions on a religious forum with no purpose other than to keep yourself mired in your both your faith and your ignorance of matters of science.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
No, I can't see it, it's only an assumption that the opening of the gill evolved to ear later on,
it isn't as simple as you may try to make it to be, the process of evolution took millions of years,
for the ear to work then all elements have to be fixed and to evolve together simultaneously,
to think that the tube was there and then it happened that the eardrum evolved and the malleus
evolved next and all parts were wired then the species that have good ears passed their genetic
code to the next generation, it doesn't make sense.
See the highlighted bit? It is precisely there that you manifest your complete ignorance on the subject over which you are trying to claim such mastery. Evolution works at the micro level, the macro level and all levels in between simultaneously, and works only when some small change in one, the other or all of those levels give a small reproductive advantage over others.

Honestly, if you had just a little more knowledge, you'd have the wherewithal to be ashamed of yourself.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
See the highlighted bit? It is precisely there that you manifest your complete ignorance on the subject over which you are trying to claim such mastery. Evolution works at the micro level, the macro level and all levels in between simultaneously, and works only when some small change in one, the other or all of those levels give a small reproductive advantage over others.

Honestly, if you had just a little more knowledge, you'd have the wherewithal to be ashamed of yourself.

Keep memorizing, donkeys have good memory as well.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Science needs intelligence, do donkeys understand science.
when one believes that such sophisticated components of the ear
were wired and fixed by the unconscious matter of earth then they
aren't really far different from the donkey's minds.

There's science in how our bodies work, do you think the unconscious matter
of earth understand science and how things can be workable, do all components
evolved altogether and wired by natural events, do you really respect science and
the mind behind science?
Okay, I get it...you really do not get it at all, do you? Your knowledge of science is at about the same level as my knowledge of Sanskrit. The difference between us is this...I never try to say anything at all about Sanskrit, since I am well aware of my own ignorance.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Okay, I get it...you really do not get it at all, do you? Your knowledge of science is at about the same level as my knowledge of Sanskrit. The difference between us is this...I never try to say anything at all about Sanskrit, since I am well aware of my own ignorance.

Reading and memorizing is different than understanding, you're only a memorizer.
 
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