Jesus the pagan g-d

Desert Snake · Feb 18, 2019

syo said:
I think the original name of Jesus is Yeshua. I think they share the name, not the divinity. Yeshua was a man named by a common male name which name might be connected to Esus.

I'm not making an argument about that sort of thing, either way.

Could be another discussion, though.

Quintessence · Feb 18, 2019

If you wanted to present a valid argument for Jesus being a Pagan god, it would hold traction if you mentioned the existence of Christopaganism. Whatever it is you're trying to do here is just... well... no comment.

viole · Feb 18, 2019

Disciple of Jesus said:
Seems as if many don't know that, yes,

'Jesus', is a pagan god.

Spelling variations, however since

Iesous, Iesoun, so forth, those are variations of the biblical name, as well.

Its a celtic pagan god, generally noted as such

Thanks for the memo, that makes Him vastly more plausible.

Ciao

- viole

blü 2 · Feb 18, 2019

Disciple of Jesus said:
What claim? I didn't make the argument that the biblical jesus, is the same, or from, the pagan g-d...
This is my argument.

Hesus/Jesus, Esus, also Iesous,

"Jesus is a pagan g-d".

Now, are you disagreeing with that, or not?

The Hebrew hero's name was Yehoshua (anglicized as 'Joshua').

By the first century CE this name in Aramaic had become Yeshua.

The NT was written in Greek, and the name of the Christian hero was spelt in Greek Ἰησοῦς which transliterates as Iēsous. It takes this form because (a) there's no 'sh' sound in Greek and (b) Greek nouns have variable endings depending on their grammatical status, hence the addition of the final '-us'.

And this Greek form was Latinized as Iesus, pron. Yaysoos, and took that form throughout the Western empire. By the 10th century the initial 'y' sound was becoming, in France, a 'zh/dzh' sound, so that Iesus was pronounced 'Dzhesus'. From about the same time or earlier, orthography had two forms of I/i, the second being J/j, but not till the 17th century, starting with Dutch typesetting, did it become customary to use J/j for the 'dzh' sound ─ whence the modern spelling 'Jesus'.

This progression has been documented with breathtaking thoroughness.

So Jesus said he was not a god, his name is a version of Yehoshua/Joshua (meaning, I'm told, 'God is salvation'), neither the Semites nor the Greeks were Celts, and I continue to disagree with your OP.

We've been through this before, so this time please do your homework.

Desert Snake · Feb 18, 2019

blü 2 said:
The Hebrew hero's name was Yehoshua (anglicized as 'Joshua').

By the first century CE this name in Aramaic had become Yeshua.

The NT was written in Greek, and the name of the Christian hero was spelt in Greek Ἰησοῦς which transliterates as Iēsous. It takes this form because (a) there's no 'sh' sound in Greek and (b) Greek nouns have variable endings depending on their grammatical status, hence the addition of the final '-us'.

And this Greek form was Latinized as Iesus, pron. Yaysoos, and took that form throughout the Western empire. By the 10th century the initial 'y' sound was becoming, in France, a 'zh/dzh' sound, so that Iesus was pronounced 'Dzhesus'. From about the same time or earlier, orthography had two forms of I/i, the second being J/j, but not till the 17th century, starting with Dutch typesetting, did it become customary to use J/j for the 'dzh' sound ─ whence the modern spelling 'Jesus'.

This progression has been documented with breathtaking thoroughness.

So Jesus said he was not a god, his name is a version of Yehoshua/Joshua (meaning, I'm told, 'God is salvation'), neither the Semites nor the Greeks were Celts, and I continue to disagree with your OP.

We've been through this before, so this time please do your homework.

Matthew 1:21

You're best argument is from the Bible, not these theories.

blü 2 · Feb 18, 2019

Disciple of Jesus said:
Matthew 1:21

You're best argument is from the Bible, not these theories.

I simply gave you facts.

And to the best of my recollection the bible nowhere suggests that God or Jesus is a Celt.

syo · Feb 19, 2019

blü 2 said:
The Hebrew hero's name was Yehoshua (anglicized as 'Joshua').

So this is the original name of Jesus

Was it a popular male name? Does it have a meaning?

blü 2 · Feb 19, 2019

syo said:
So this is the original name of Jesus
Was it a popular male name? Does it have a meaning?

The original popularizer of the name was the biblical hero whose name in Hebrew is Yehoshua and who appears in English translations of the Tanakh as Joshua. There are Yehoshuas, Yeshuas and Yoshuas throughout the Tanakh. In Jesus' day (as Yeshua and variations) it was a common name for males, and occurs on many tombs of that era. It means "God is rescue / deliverance / salvation".

Desert Snake · Feb 19, 2019

blü 2 said:
The original popularizer of the name was the biblical hero whose name in Hebrew is Yehoshua and who appears in English translations of the Tanakh as Joshua. There are Yehoshuas, Yeshuas and Yoshuas throughout the Tanakh. In Jesus' day (as Yeshua and variations) it was a common name for males, and occurs on many tombs of that era. It means "God is rescue / deliverance / salvation".

Matthew 1:21

And verses would then mean that Jesus, is G-d, religiously, [as it is Jesus who is 'saving ', in the verse in Matthew.

You are quite good at presenting an argument for Xianity.

blü 2 · Feb 19, 2019

Disciple of Jesus said:
Matthew 1:21

And verses would then mean that Jesus, is G-d, religiously, [as it is Jesus who is 'saving ', in the verse in Matthew.

You are quite good at presenting an argument for Xianity.

So you think 1st century Jerusalem was generously endowed with people who were God?

Maybe that's why Jesus felt compelled on seventeen or more occasions to point out he wasn't God, and was careful never to suggest otherwise.

But then, maybe you're onto something here ─ maybe it was one of the other Jesuses and Christians are worshiping the wrong dude?

sooda · Feb 19, 2019

Disciple of Jesus said:
Again, 'Jesus', is a Celtic pagan g-d, or variant spelling, and from a main, reputable source, so, not sure, even if your argument is correct, that would make "jesus not a pagan g-d".

How about I go with my source, and you can argue variables of some sort, concerning how Joshua bacame Jesus. Because I don't notice the connection between my premise, and what you are arguing.

Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi.

Desert Snake · Feb 19, 2019

sooda said:
Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi.

Hi

Since youre a christian, and presuming you think that Yoheshuas actual name is Joshua, why are you calling him Jesus?

sooda · Feb 19, 2019

Disciple of Jesus said:
Your lack of religious knowledge is sort of interesting.

You don't believe that Jesus, or Yeshua, called Himself god, because you don't understand the Hebrew religious ideas concerning this.

For, example,
'ye are gods'

Jesus is talking about the Psalm where the main Deity, is rebuking, angels, or gods of the nations. Then , Jesus says, He is above the angels, because he is the son of Deity.

This comment by Jesus, is claiming divinity.

The reason you don't even know that, is because you don't understand the religious concept of Deity, the angels, being called Elohim, here, and what son of Deity, higher than the angels, actually means.

There are other examples
•
John 10:25-30

Jesus explains that He and the Abba are one, so forth.
•
John 10:35-36

This means that Jesus is higher than the Angels, therefore has authority.

Psalms or much of it came from Ugarit poetry:

Psalm 82
A psalm of Asaph.
1 God presides in the great assembly;
he renders judgment among the “gods”:

2 “How long will you[a] defend the unjust
and show partiality to the wicked?[b]
3 Defend the weak and the fatherless;
uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.
4 Rescue the weak and the needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.

5 “The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.

6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”;
you are all sons of the Most High.’
7 But you will die like mere mortals;
you will fall like every other ruler.”

8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth,
for all the nations are your inheritance.

sooda · Feb 19, 2019

Disciple of Jesus said:
Hi

Since youre a christian, and presuming you think that Yoheshuas actual name is Joshua, why are you calling him Jesus?

Much of the New Testament was written in Koine Greek and Aramaic.. Arabs call him Issa. I am not sure what you intend ?

Desert Snake · Feb 19, 2019

sooda said:
Much of the New Testament was written in Koine Greek and Aramaic.. Arabs call him Issa. I am not sure what you intend ?

Matthew 1:21, Matthew 1 :23
Tells us that Jesus's name means the same thing as Emmanuel.

Jesus, is the name. No evidence that the name is Yoheshua.

Im asking you , if you believe that Jesus's name is Yoheshua, then why, as a Christian, are you calling Him Jesus.

sooda · Feb 19, 2019

Disciple of Jesus said:
Matthew 1:21, Matthew 1 :23
Tells us that Jesus's name means the same thing as Emmanuel.

Jesus, is the name. No evidence that the name is Yoheshua.

Im asking you , if you believe that Jesus's name is Yoheshua, then why, as a Christian, are you calling Him Jesus.

Yeshua was a common alternative form of the name יְהוֹשֻׁעַ‬ in later books of the Hebrew Bible and among Jews of the Second Temple period.

The name corresponds to the Greek spelling Iesous, from which, through the Latin Iesus, comes the English spelling Jesus.

I speak English... isn't that reason enough?

Desert Snake · Feb 19, 2019

sooda said:
Yeshua was a common alternative form of the name יְהוֹשֻׁעַ‬ in later books of the Hebrew Bible and among Jews of the Second Temple period.

The name corresponds to the Greek spelling Iesous, from which, through the Latin Iesus, comes the English spelling Jesus.

I speak English... isn't that reason enough?

In English the name would be Joshua, since that is what you believe Jesus's name, to be.

It's just interesting, you are using the names as if they are different names, telling me it's the same name, and calling someone other than the Triune aspect of deity, by their most original [according to your beliefs, name.

Desert Snake · Feb 19, 2019

sooda said:
Yeshua was a common alternative form of the name יְהוֹשֻׁעַ‬ in later books of the Hebrew Bible and among Jews of the Second Temple period.

The name corresponds to the Greek spelling Iesous, from which, through the Latin Iesus, comes the English spelling Jesus.

I speak English... isn't that reason enough?

Joshua doesn't correspond to Iesous, except that the greeks, used a similar spelling, for the Old Testament Joshua.

sooda · Feb 19, 2019

Disciple of Jesus said:
Joshua doesn't correspond to Iesous, except that the greeks, used a similar spelling, for the Old Testament Joshua.

Jesus spent very little of his life in Jerusalem.. He was up north around Galilee and the cities of the Decapolis.

That area was more prosperous and cosmopolitan than Jerusalem,,, and Greek speaking.

Unveiled Artist · Feb 19, 2019

Disciple of Jesus said:
Seems as if many don't know that, yes,

'Jesus', is a pagan god.

Spelling variations, however since

Iesous, Iesoun, so forth, those are variations of the biblical name, as well.

Its a celtic pagan god, generally noted as such

Jesus was a human jew made into a pagan god. Spit balling. Probably by the Romans. Romans had a lot of human-like gods of their authorities. Gods weren't considered "the almighty" but had actual personalities (like jesus), and actual adornment of authorities after death as did many civilizations (like jesus). In some cultures, the kings that died are adorned as gods hoping their eternal body meet the gods.

Jesus isn't god. Just he was made into a god because of his status after death.

That and anyone who wasn't christian, jew, or muslim was a Pagan. Not all Pagans believed in making humans gods. So, gotta be more specific.

Jesus the pagan g-d

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