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The Return of God

Fool

Fool

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Can God ever be realized if the believer hates the footstool upon which God rests? can the believer ever realize god; if they are hating the earth?

jesus said the earth counted for nothing but did he say to hate it? have contempt for it? that murdering an earthling was A-O-K? destroying the earth was A-O-K?
 
shunyadragon

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
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Fool said:
Can God ever be realized if the believer hates the footstool upon which God rests? can the believer ever realize god; if they are hating the earth?

jesus said the earth counted for nothing but did he say to hate it? have contempt for it? that murdering an earthling was A-O-K? destroying the earth was A-O-K?
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Citing an ancient anthropomorphic view of God does not reflect the reality of the unknowable 'Source' some call God(s).

God does not return nor return. God simply exists.
 
Fool

Fool

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shunyadragon said:
Citing an ancient anthropomorphic view of God does not reflect the reality of the unknowable 'Source' some call God(s).

God does not return nor return. God simply exists.
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that is just the point. one doesn't have to know the source. one just has to know it in the present; especially if it's experienced by self.
 
Fool

Fool

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shunyadragon said:
To experience the 'Source' is not to 'know' the 'Source.'
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the infinite I has no beginning and no end. one only has to no where the present is to know that the ending is without beginning.



source,

mid-14c., "support, base," from Old French sourse "a rising, beginning, fountainhead of a river or stream" (12c.), fem. noun taken from past participle of sourdre "to rise, spring up," from Latin surgere"to rise, arise, get up, mount up, ascend; attack," contraction of surrigere, from assimilated form of sub "up from below" (see sub-) + regere "to keep straight, guide" (from PIE root *reg- "move in a straight line," with derivatives meaning "to direct in a straight line," thus "to lead, rule"). Meaning "a first cause" is from late 14c., as is that of "fountain-head of a river." Meaning "person or written work supplying information or evidence" is by 1777.


 
shunyadragon

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
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Fool said:
insight, understanding comes from within. you suppose you can know anything apart, without self?
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I can know the the objective reality of our physical existence to the limited extent of the present human knowledge, but I cannot 'know' God neither can any other fallible human.

Ancient scripture is the worst reference to even having an understanding of the 'Source' some call God(s).

Know God from the fallible human perspective?!?!?! What an odd egocentric anthropomorphic claim.
 
Fool

Fool

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shunyadragon said:
I can know the the objective reality of our physical existence to the limited extent of the present human knowledge, but I cannot 'know' God neither can any other fallible human.

Ancient scripture is the worst reference to even having an understanding of the 'Source' some call God(s).

Know God from the fallible human perspective?!?!?! What an odd egocentric anthropomorphic claim.
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objectively self is a part of that god, that reality. ignorance of this is where duality and the knowledge of love and hate arise. we don't have control over another's beliefs.
 
shunyadragon

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
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Fool said:
the infinite has no beginning and no end.
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True so what?!?!?!

. . . one only has to no where the present is to know that the ending is without beginning.
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Confusing to say the least.

Now here is no where . . .

Regardless fallible humans only understand things from the relative perspective, and do not 'know' from any absolute perspective. God is essentially unknowable from the fallible human perspective, though humans do tend to mold God in our own cultural anthropomorphic image, which are many,
 
Fool

Fool

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shunyadragon said:
True so what?!?!?!



Confusing to say the least.

Now here is no where . . .

Regardless fallible humans only understand things from the relative perspective, and do not 'know' from any absolute perspective. God is essentially unknowable from the fallible human perspective, though humans do tend to mold God in our own cultural anthropomorphic image, which are many,
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and yet you keep ignoring that it is the dualistic thinker, someone who is disconnected from reality as if it is nothing but an observer having no action/reaction to it.

seriously?


objectively the observer is a part of that reality being observed but it doesn't see itself in that reality. there is the outside reality and the inside reality.

strange, so very strange.
 
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MonkeyFire

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On one hand hate suffers, on the other hand he is non-violent. He's not evil but God ponders the existence of hatred.
 
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