G-d instead of God

Remté · Feb 17, 2019

9-18-1 said:
Stop there... what exactly do you propose is my own "definition" of idol worship? I'm interested.

I don't know.

There is plenty that is not idol worship - still with anticipation of your answer to the above, I will offer the loose association of idol worship to "taking offense". If someone is offended by criticisms of something that they are attached to, such as a religious figure/idol, this reveals that they are worshiping said figure/idol.

I disagree. Is defending one's mother from slander idol worship too then?

Belief" does not require conscience. In fact, "belief" neglects this most fundamental faculty which, once again, why I say "belief" is far from being a virtue - it is a stagnation. If one does not use their own conscience, they are betraying what it means to be human. As such "belief" reduces one back into animal nature, which is precisely what makes Islam a degenerative illness, and I don't *care* if people are offended by that. That people are offended by such things reveals their own insecurity

You don't think your words seem insecure to others?

So my ideas come from asking questions and seeking their answers. Once the answer(s) is(are) known, I go on to the next one and continue to learn more. This process is something "believers" don't do - at least not consciously. If they did, they wouldn't be "believers" but rather "knowers" which is the basis of gnosis - to know. "Belief" is therefor not a virtue, it is a blatant display of ignorance and is wholly a-gnostic - without knowledge.

Arrogace is a vice. Thinking you know what you don't goes hand in hand with it and was how Satan was born.

Shaul · Feb 17, 2019

blü 2 said:
What's disrespectful in writing about someone using their customary title?

Do you address your letters to

'Dear S-r' or
'Dear M-d-m' or
'Dear C-ll-ct-r of T-x-s'?

There is all the difference between the Supreme Being and “someone”.

Remté · Feb 17, 2019

Shaul said:
There is all the difference between the Supreme Being and “someone”.

Yes, but how does it affect this? God is not a secret.

9-18-1 · Feb 17, 2019

Remté said:
I don't know.
I disagree. Is defending one's mother from slander idol worship too then?

No - the one slandering the mother is.

Remté said:
You don't think your words seem insecure to others?

I never think about it because I don't care how I seem to others. Insecurity is more present in people who take offense to what I or others say.

Remté said:
Arrogace is a vice. Thinking you know what you don't goes hand in hand with it and was how Satan was born.

Nice projection.

Arrogance is a vice - but religious worshipers are not absolved of such a thing. It is the arrogant people who claim to "know" about god (when they do not) and proselytize such - often in the form of adopting a "belief". I am no such "believer" and do not advocate such. So your expression applies to the religionist more than anyone else.

Besides, Satan is not a figure or entity - this is more fashioning of idols. The word Satan is written with shin, tes and nun final:

shin = (the) expression (of)
tes = (being) bound
nun (final) = in an ongoing state

rendering "the expression of being bound in an ongoing state". Or in other words, *anything* that a person is bound to/by either psychologically, emotionally and/or behaviorally and it is ongoing, is 'Satan'. Satan has nothing do with anything beyond this - it is anything that binds.

For example "belief" usually involves a psychological idol, such as Jesus/Muhammad, of which a strong emotional attachment is made and their likeness (example) is regarded as exemplary.

Exodus 20:4
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above or that is in the earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth.

This is precisely what the Christians/Muslims have done, and do do: imagine things in (as) heaven such as Jesus ruling or Muhammadan virgins, develop profound emotional attachments to such idols and thereby go off imitating them for a living.

As such the religions of Christianity and Islam are just as "satanic" as they come: being based in "belief".

Remté · Feb 17, 2019

9-18-1 said:
Arrogance is a vice - but religious worshipers are not absolved of such a thing.

I never said that.

Besides, Satan is not a figure or entity - this is more fashioning of idols. The word Satan is written with shin, tes and nun final:

shin = (the) expression (of)
tes = (being) bound
nun (final) = in an ongoing state

rendering "the expression of being bound in an ongoing state". Or in other words, *anything* that a person is bound to/by either psychologically, emotionally and/or behaviorally and it is ongoing, is 'Satan'. Satan has nothing do with anything beyond this - it is anything that binds

That theory holds no water. The roots of the word and its meanings are well researched.

For example "belief" usually involves a psychological idol, such as Jesus/Muhammad, of which a strong emotional attachment is made and their likeness (example) is regarded as exemplary.

You dislike good examples?

Exodus 20:4
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above or that is in the earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth.

This is precisely what the Christians/Muslims have done, and do do: imagine things in (as) heaven such as Jesus ruling or Muhammadan virgins, develop profound emotional attachments to such idols and thereby go off imitating them for a living.

What virgins? If someone commits to idolatry like this that is their sin. But those who don't don't.

9-18-1 · Feb 17, 2019

Remté said:
I never said that.

I know - that's not why I said it.

Remté said:
That theory holds no water. The roots of the word and its meanings are well researched.

It's actually the other way around - the "theory" that Satan is a 'thing' holds no water and is a misunderstanding.

Remté said:
You dislike good examples?

No - but trying to sell bad examples as good examples is a problem.

Remté said:
What virgins? If someone commits to idolatry like this that is their sin. But those who don't don't.

Actually its the sin of those perpetuating such lies - impressionable people are not wholly to blame for this. The institution of Islam espouses to this idea of virgin-filled paradise - it is used as an incentive for people to willingly give their life in the "cause of Allah". It's actually very, very sick, but then again, so was Muhammad and his polygamist and infidel nature.

1213 · Feb 17, 2019

Remté said:
...What do you think of using this substitute? Do you use it? Do you think it's relevant? Does it bother you on one way or another? Do you know of another religion that has established a similar habit?

I think it is hypocrite. Bible tells that God’s name should not be taken in vain. It is not same as don’t write the name in any case. Also, if you give another name for God, like G-d, the same rule is still valid, the name should not be taken in vain (unnecessarily).

You shall not take the name of Yahweh your God in vain, for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
Ex. 20:7

Good example of breaking that rule is when people say without meaning “oh god”, or things like that. If the word is used when person speaks something meaningful, with good purpose, it is not unnecessary and not breaking the rule.

Remté · Feb 17, 2019

9-18-1 said:
I know - that's not why I said it.

It's actually the other way around - the "theory" that Satan is a 'thing' holds no water and is a misunderstanding.

No - but trying to sell bad examples as good examples is a problem.

Actually its the sin of those perpetuating such lies - impressionable people are not wholly to blame for this. The institution of Islam espouses to this idea of virgin-filled paradise - it is used as an incentive for people to willingly give their life in the "cause of Allah". It's actually very, very sick, but then again, so was Muhammad and his polygamist and infidel nature.

The virgins in paradise is misconception mainly held by non Muslims. Or if we put some standards on the word Muslim, by no Muslims anywhere. You gave a definition of the word Satan that was made up.

YoursTrue · Feb 17, 2019

9-18-1 said:
So um, first I don't attach any particular significance to the book(s) of the Bible. As such the question when I think such and such will come into effect has no meaning to me....

Abraham is said to be the father of the Jews. And the Jews in the first century C.E. were arguing with Jesus. John 8, Jesus was speaking with them. Jesus put emphasis on faith. He said, “If you were children of Abraham,” said Jesus, “you would do the works of Abraham. But now you are trying to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham never did such a thing."

blü 2 · Feb 17, 2019

Shaul said:
There is all the difference between the Supreme Being and “someone”.

You can talk to "God". You can say "God".

Why can't you refer in print to "God"?

It's a title, after all, not a name. [His] name is, we're told, whatever the tetragrammaton represents, not 'God'.

And why would one write G-d but not Y-hw-h / J-h-v-? Makes no sense.

YoursTrue · Feb 17, 2019

Remté said:
Yes, but how does it affect this? God is not a secret.

Apparently He is, since so many people have so many different and opposing ideas about Him.

YoursTrue · Feb 17, 2019

9-18-1 said:
So um, first I don't attach any particular significance to the book(s) of the Bible. As such the question when I think such and such will come into effect has no meaning to me.

However if we can say instead when I think war will end, it requires a few things:
1. Judaism and Islam need to renounce certain untrue assertions regarding the so-called "divinity" of their respective books. The problem here is both are making an identical claim; one thinks one is right and the other is wrong (and vice versa) meanwhile never contemplating the *possibility* that they are *both* wrong. Christianity must concede that this "Jesus" myth is nothing but idol worship.
2. Women need to be restored as equal to man, and man need to renounce trying to own/dominate women. This kind of patriarchy is what leads to war, and it starts with coveting of women.
3. The institution of marriage: when two become one, must be held as the most sacred and sanctimonious event. Such an event should be recognized globally - not under any particular religious institution (which must be collapsed) but as something wholly Sacred.

Before any of this happens, Jews/Christians/Muslims need to understand what idol worship *actually* is and how that is essentially what they themselves are: adopting male patriarchal figures and using them as a basis for a theocratic state. What then should take its place?

Precisely what is in point 3: ruler(s) of any state must necessarily involve a Matriarchy and Patriarchy ruling as One. When such a system(s) of rule is established - which restores the woman in her creative role - because the polarities are equally expressed/balanced there will be no war. There is only war because (right now) patriarchy is essentially preying on women. This needs to stop, and Islam is the embodiment of it.

So if/until these things are addressed, humanity will continue to wage wars and kill each other over one simple misunderstanding: that the status of "god" is a shared co-mutual relationship between masculine and feminine.

To putter this matter *into* the context of the Abrahamic writings - by doing so even temporarily granting to the adherents of such that *their own* writings are true...

...all of this is in the first few chapters of the first book of Moses - whom Jews and Muslims hypocritically claim is a prophet. If Moses used the name 'Elohim' to name the creator god - the god that creates - both polarities are in that name, which is precisely why Elohim has an image (masculine) *and* a likeness (feminine); that is, male and female. That's in the book of Moses too - and it is actually true: you can not have life/creation without both polarities uniting in some way.

The perfect unification of man and woman as one - this is essentially the reversal of original sin(s) and restoration of the Edenic state both within and without - the latter actually being a manifested form of the former. I say this because, it seems to be, if Eve is derived from Adam's own rib, and Adam eventually forgot the reality that Eve *is* a *part* of Adam, despite them being "apart", this is the sin. That man and woman are two things rather than expressions of one thing. To reattain this understanding of creation is to likewise reattain the knowledge of (not "belief" in) what one refers to as "god": the Elohim who *know* good and evil. This must be true: they *know* both polarities because the polarities work with one another ad infinitum and create whatever the will of the creator(s) is/are. That is what "god" is: they who have the ability to create using the two polarities as one.

However the Abrahamic religions, and Islam especially, are actually a waged war *against* women and their status as co-creator. In such cults, the man exerts himself over the woman. In a sexual context, this is rape. This is how sexual degeneracy and the eating of the forbidden fruits are related - more mysteries that are *inside* the very books these hypocritical institutions flaunt about - the hypocrisy is nauseating.

The discussion about marriage is interesting as far as the Bible is concerned. According to the Bible, Jesus repeated the original mandate, one man for one woman. In the Law of Moses, women were to be treated fairly by their husbands. If they were not, God was not happy. Notice Malachi 2:13, which says: "And this again ye do: ye cover the altar of Jehovah with tears, with weeping, and with sighing, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, neither receiveth it with good will at your hand." (American Standard Version, which wrote out the name Jehovah until they decided to follow Jewish tradition.) You will see that as LORD in most Bibles now. But the point is that God Almighty is not pleased when men mistreat their wives, and He will eventually act in harmony with His will. Husbands are to treat their wives fairly and lovingly. There is much more anyway to knowing God's name, who He is, and what He looks for.

9-18-1 · Feb 17, 2019

Remté said:
The virgins in paradise is misconception mainly held by non Muslims. Or if we put some standards on the word Muslim, by no Muslims anywhere. You gave a definition of the word Satan that was made up.

No it's not "made up" - you're projecting again. It is the dogmatic institutionalized Satan that is "made up".

My basis for such an assertion is derived from the work of Stan Tenen - he successfully derived the form which, when observed from 22 different perspectives, generate the 22 Hebrew letters:

And talks about Satan here at the 4 minute mark:

I recommend his website www.meru.org as he derives the basis of the entire Hebrew alphabet and what each letter indicates.

Sharikind said:
Abraham is said to be the father of the Jews. And the Jews in the first century C.E. were arguing with Jesus. John 8, Jesus was speaking with them. Jesus put emphasis on faith. He said, “If you were children of Abraham,” said Jesus, “you would do the works of Abraham. But now you are trying to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham never did such a thing."

Creation happens through Abraham, which is the same as the spirit of Elohim or ruach Elohim which hovers on the face of the waters. It is each individual's own innermost. It is through the seed that YHVH Elohim works, which is precisely why chastity is essential in the work of Abraham. The first work of Abraham was chastity, which is the same as the rock upon which the "church" is established. This is why Jesus said no fornicator or adulterer can inherit the kingdom of god, because unless one is chaste they will degenerate.

When one spills their seed (orgasm) he/she is ejecting the very substance that gives life - meant to be returned back up the spine to nourish the brain. When it is ejected, the brain is not nourished and instead degenerates.

This is what the eating of the forbidden fruits is: when the sex commands the brain such that one chases his/her sexual lust which results in fornication (spilling of seed) therefor it can not be worked with. This is the fall - sexual degeneracy is related to "evil" in this way because it begets subjective reasoning and leads to pathological insanity.

This is the same insanity that afflicts warlords - not the least of which is Muhammad and his own sexual degeneracy.

Shaul · Feb 17, 2019

Remté said:
Yes, but how does it affect this? God is not a secret.

It affects this because while it may be acceptable to risk offending your fellow man, but even to dare presume to suggest offending the Sovereignty of the Universe Who is so high above us we can’t even grasp how great He is?! Perish the thought!

YoursTrue · Feb 17, 2019

9-18-1 said:
No it's not "made up" - you're projecting again. It is the dogmatic institutionalized Satan that is "made up".

My basis for such an assertion is derived from the work of Stan Tenen - he successfully derived the form which, when observed from 22 different perspectives, generate the 22 Hebrew letters:

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And talks about Satan here at the 4 minute mark:

I recommend his website www.meru.org as he derives the basis of the entire Hebrew alphabet and what each letter indicates.

Creation happens through Abraham, which is the same as the spirit of Elohim or ruach Elohim which hovers on the face of the waters. It is each individual's own innermost. It is through the seed that YHVH Elohim works, which is precisely why chastity is essential in the work of Abraham. The first work of Abraham was chastity, which is the same as the rock upon which the "church" is established. This is why Jesus said no fornicator or adulterer can inherit the kingdom of god, because unless one is chaste they will degenerate.

When one spills their seed (orgasm) he/she is ejecting the very substance that gives life - meant to be returned back up the spine to nourish the brain. When it is ejected, the brain is not nourished and instead degenerates.

This is what the eating of the forbidden fruits is: when the sex commands the brain such that one chases his/her sexual lust which results in fornication (spilling of seed) therefor it can not be worked with. This is the fall - sexual degeneracy is related to "evil" in this way because it begets subjective reasoning and leads to pathological insanity.

This is the same insanity that afflicts warlords - not the least of which is Muhammad and his own sexual degeneracy.

Just saying -- how is it that "creation happens through Abraham"? I'm afraid I didn't follow your reasoning there.
By the way, the insanity that afflicts warlords you speak of -- remember that the Devil told Jesus he would give him all the kingdoms of the world if he would do one act of worship to him.

YoursTrue · Feb 17, 2019

Shaul said:
It affects this because while it may be acceptable to risk offending your fellow man, but even to dare presume to suggest offending the Sovereignty of the Universe Who is so high above us we can’t even grasp how great He is?! Perish the thought!

Interesting, because some were offended in the Bible. But then they offended God. It's just amazing.
Notice what Isaiah 65 says:
I revealed Myself to those who did not ask for Me;

I was found by those who did not seek Me.

I said, ‘Here I am! Here I am!’

to a nation that did not call My name.

2All day long I have held out My hands

to an obstinate people,

who walk in the wrong path,

who follow their own imaginations,

3to a people who continually

provoke Me to My face,

sacrificing in the gardens

and burning incense on altars of brick,

4sitting among the graves,

spending nights in secret places,

eating the meat of pigs

and polluted broth from their bowls.

5They say, ‘Keep to yourself,

do not come near me, for I am holier than you!’

Such people are smoke in My nostrils,

a fire that burns all day long.

6Behold, it is written before Me:

I will not keep silent,

but I will repay;

I will pay it back into their laps

7both for your iniquities

and those of your fathers,”

Willamena · Feb 18, 2019

Remté said:
What do you think of using this substitute? Do you use it? Do you think it's relevant? Does it bother you on one way or another? Do you know of another religion that has established a similar habit?

It's the difference between "the nameless and the name." (Love Itself lyrics - Leonard Cohen original song - full version on Lyrics Freak)

I don't use it: I'm not Jewish. It doesn't bother me that others do.

Remté · Feb 18, 2019

9-18-1 said:
No it's not "made up" - you're projecting again. It is the dogmatic institutionalized Satan that is "made up".

My basis for such an assertion is derived from the work of Stan Tenen - he successfully derived the form which, when observed from 22 different perspectives, generate the 22 Hebrew letters:

Successfully made it up? Never heard of him. Neither has the Internet really.

viole · Feb 18, 2019

Tumah said:
Can you explain why you think that the company who produces these elevators don't also take that into consideration when building them?

Because a good friend of mine in NYC is an elevator engineer. I could have not thought of that because I did not know that there was a n elevator Sabbath service and I am clueless about elevators engineering. I actually did not believe him at first, about that special functionality.

He told me manufacturers do not make special product lines just for small communities. They just take a standard product and create a piece of SW that activates during the Sabbath. All it does is disable the push buttons and send the elevator periodically to all destinations, automatically. No other requirement has ever been requested, apparently. So, koscher.

He also told me that the elevator would not work if the weight of the passenger would be unknown. The motor needs to know it in order to apply the correct intitial torque. And that gets aquired by computings some frequencies and send the corresponding information, electrically, to the motors drive, when the passenger boards.

Well, at least that is what happens in modern elevators.

My personal advice in order to avoid to upset G-d, is to use the stairs. Just be careful with proximity sensors that might activate the lights in the corridor.

Ciao

- viole

rosends · Feb 18, 2019

viole said:
Because a good friend of mine in NYC is an elevator engineer. I could have not thought of that because I did not know that there was a n elevator Sabbath service and I am clueless about elevators engineering. I actually did not believe him at first, about that special functionality.

He told me manufacturers do not make special product lines just for small communities. They just take a standard product and create a piece of SW that activates during the Sabbath. All it does is disable the push buttons and send the elevator periodically to all destinations, automatically. No other requirement has ever been requested, apparently. So, koscher.

He also told me that the elevator would not work if the weight of the passenger would be unknown. The motor needs to know it in order to apply the correct intitial torque. And that gets aquired by computings some frequencies and send the corresponding information, electrically, to the motors drive, when the passenger boards.

Well, at least that is what happens in modern elevators.

My personal advice in order to avoid to upset G-d, is to use the stairs. Just be careful with proximity sensors that might activate the lights in the corridor.

Ciao

- viole

You might want to research tzomet institute. The idea of special elevators for the sabbath has been developed and vetted by a variety of scientists and engineers. It is not a particularly new idea, an elevator that stops at every floor regardless of buttons, but with each new development, there are teams of observant people investigating and deciding what the religious implications are. Simply assuming that the religious community is moving blindly, without knowledge of the details is not accurate.

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