Jesus' Secret Name

GoldenThread said:

I disagree. The importance of knowthing the difference between the two is due to the false doctrines that are born from people making the Bible equal to Jesus.

Jesus can say one thing, but other parts of the bible can 'seemingly' contradict Jesus; so if it is not clear that the final authority is Jesus and not the whole Bible, then we can read all passages in perspective to what Jesus taught.

For example, OT taught, "eye for an eye"; Jesus taught, "love your enemies". Which one do we choose? They both are found in the Bible and arguments can be made to support both sides, but which one holds more weight?

This is the importance of knowing the difference. If we don't get this right, then we are building our houses on sand (Matthew 7:24-26).

In peace

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I get your point.
Jesus said "You have heard... but I say..."
So yes, Jesus is the authority there.
And Jesus was either talking about the Jewish
religious beliefs, or he was talking about the
Old Testament - both of which he himself did
away with.
But there's a problem in that the "bible" is
also the New Testament, and there's tons
of contradictions there too.
But I accept your point.

GoldenThread said:

Indeed God fills all his creation. The point that I made wasn't invalid, however. God is separate from sin. That is to say that God and sin aren't compatible. Why did Jesus say that God has forsaken him on the cross? Food for thought.

I don't deny the fact that God is everywhere, at the same time that God chooses to separate himself from those that choose not to abide in his branch.

Scriptures needs to line up with Jesus and his teachings. If Jesus taught that you can be cut and thrown away from God, then that is what is truth.

Just because Jesus said it doesn't make it true; Jesus said it because it is true.

In peace

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again, you're the believer. not god. again you're the one dividing god against itself. self-delusion is a real thing


The Psychology of Self-Deception

Fool said:

again, you're the believer. not god. again you're the one dividing god against itself. self-delusion is a real thing


The Psychology of Self-Deception

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Dividing lies from the truth is what God asks of us. That is why Jesus didn't come to bring peace, but a sword (Matthew 10:34-36).

Anyways, I pray God continues to bless you as you search for more truth.

PruePhillip said:

I get your point.
Jesus said "You have heard... but I say..."
So yes, Jesus is the authority there.
And Jesus was either talking about the Jewish
religious beliefs, or he was talking about the
Old Testament - both of which he himself did
away with.
But there's a problem in that the "bible" is
also the New Testament, and there's tons
of contradictions there too.
But I accept your point.

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Thanks for sharing this. I would encourage you to look at the seemingly contradicting words of the NT in a different light. Whenever you read something that seems to contradict, try to line up your understanding of that verse with something that Jesus taught. If you look at the NT (even the OT) in this light, then it will help smooth out those apparent contradictions.

Feel free to share any contradictions you have with me and we can work it out together.

In peace

GoldenThread said:

Thanks for sharing this. I would encourage you to look at the seemingly contradicting words of the NT in a different light. Whenever you read something that seems to contradict, try to line up your understanding of that verse with something that Jesus taught. If you look at the NT (even the OT) in this light, then it will help smooth out those apparent contradictions.

Feel free to share any contradictions you have with me and we can work it out together.

In peace

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Had this one just an hour ago in a phone call.
I asked someone "Why are there so few Jews in the world?"
There were about 3-5 million Jews in Jesus' day and about 20 million Chinese.
Today there's about 1300 million Chinese and about 15 million Jews.
"The bible says the Jews would be small in numbers."
My friend was confused, "But doesn't God say Abraham's descendants would be like the stars of heaven?"
I put it that 15 million Jews would have been a lot to Abraham, but not a lot in today's world.
That is one response to a seeming contradiction in the bible (another way - most Jews left the
religion and became Christians or Muslims, but they are still out there.)

GoldenThread said:

Dividing lies from the truth is what God asks of us. That is why Jesus didn't come to bring peace, but a sword (Matthew 10:34-36).

Anyways, I pray God continues to bless you as you search for more truth.

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true but again god doesn't need the believer to divide god against itself; that which it created and embodies. believers, if they are not questioning their beliefs, are like a cancer in the body of god. they no longer function in their capacity, they attempt to take over the host. invariably they kill their host and themselves. in this case god will destroy them because..........

Revelation 11:18
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Can God be realized; if the earth, the body, the temple is seen as contemptible, . how then can god be realized; if self is keeping god from it? if self is destroying the earth.?

Fool said:

true but again god doesn't need the believer to divide god against itself; that which it created and embodies. believers, if they are not questioning their beliefs, are like a cancer in the body of god. they no longer function in their capacity, they attempt to take over the host. invariably they kill their host and themselves. in this case god will destroy them because..........

Revelation 11:18
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Can God be realized; if the earth, the body, the temple is seen as contemptible, . how then can god be realized; if self is keeping god from it? if self is destroying the earth.?

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What you speak is true! We must align ourselves with God. Now tell me, what must we do to align ourselves with God?

I'll ask you another question: What is the main purpose of God's spirit?

I look forward to your response.

In peace

PruePhillip said:

Had this one just an hour ago in a phone call.
I asked someone "Why are there so few Jews in the world?"
There were about 3-5 million Jews in Jesus' day and about 20 million Chinese.
Today there's about 1300 million Chinese and about 15 million Jews.
"The bible says the Jews would be small in numbers."
My friend was confused, "But doesn't God say Abraham's descendants would be like the stars of heaven?"
I put it that 15 million Jews would have been a lot to Abraham, but not a lot in today's world.
That is one response to a seeming contradiction in the bible (another way - most Jews left the
religion and became Christians or Muslims, but they are still out there.)

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I will pose a question that I think will help guide you to the answer.

Who are the true Jews? Those born of flesh, or of God?

In peace

GoldenThread said:

I will pose a question that I think will help guide you to the answer.

Who are the true Jews? Those born of flesh, or of God?

In peace

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It's complicated, like most things in life.
Jews born of the flesh were problematic just two generations ago -
some said the Jew is just a religion. But we have found the "Jew" in
DNA (including mine) and even one of the tribes - Levi.
Many anti-Semitic Arabs are in facts Jews, apparently.

So God used the Jew as a symbol of his people. And Jerusalem
as the city of God and the temple as the place of presence.
So there are, let's say, DNA Jews, but also symbolic Jews - people
of God.
In the NT some writers refer to "the Jews" but could well mean
Christians who adopted Jewish style worship - wrongly bringing holy
days, sacred sites, rites and rituals into Christian service.

PruePhillip said:

It's complicated, like most things in life.
Jews born of the flesh were problematic just two generations ago -
some said the Jew is just a religion. But we have found the "Jew" in
DNA (including mine) and even one of the tribes - Levi.
Many anti-Semitic Arabs are in facts Jews, apparently.

So God used the Jew as a symbol of his people. And Jerusalem
as the city of God and the temple as the place of presence.
So there are, let's say, DNA Jews, but also symbolic Jews - people
of God.
In the NT some writers refer to "the Jews" but could well mean
Christians who adopted Jewish style worship - wrongly bringing holy
days, sacred sites, rites and rituals into Christian service.

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With most of what Jesus taught, he kept things very simple. I'll give two scriptures that help define who a Jew is.

John 4:21-24, "
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

True Jews aren't recognized by the location they worship the Father, rather it is whether or not they are worshiping Him in spirit and in truth.

John 8:39, "They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham."

Abraham, mind you, is the Father of the Jews. Therefore, if anybody claims Abraham is their Father (part of the 12 tribes) then they must have the works that Abraham performed. If not, then they are from their Father the devil (as Jesus put it).

As you can see from Jesus' words, true Jews are those that follow God. Bloodline doesn't mean anything, since the same people that were born as a Jew, aren't a Jew, if they don't follow God.

This leaves the question: How does one follow God? Is it to follow the Law of moses? Is it to not follow any law at all and just say we are saved because I said a prayer asking Jesus into my heart?

I'll leave it there for now.

In peace

GoldenThread said:

With most of what Jesus taught, he kept things very simple. I'll give two scriptures that help define who a Jew is.

John 4:21-24, "
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

True Jews aren't recognized by the location they worship the Father, rather it is whether or not they are worshiping Him in spirit and in truth.

John 8:39, "They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham."

Abraham, mind you, is the Father of the Jews. Therefore, if anybody claims Abraham is their Father (part of the 12 tribes) then they must have the works that Abraham performed. If not, then they are from their Father the devil (as Jesus put it).

As you can see from Jesus' words, true Jews are those that follow God. Bloodline doesn't mean anything, since the same people that were born as a Jew, aren't a Jew, if they don't follow God.

This leaves the question: How does one follow God? Is it to follow the Law of moses? Is it to not follow any law at all and just say we are saved because I said a prayer asking Jesus into my heart?

I'll leave it there for now.

In peace

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You have agreed with my point that true Jews follow Christ.
But the DNA Jews are a symbol of God's people, their land
is a symbol of God's promises, their law is a symbol of the
law of Christ, their high priest is a symbol of Jesus, their
temple is a symbol of God's house etc.. For every promise
God made, he provided a symbol of it, ie the blood of the
lamb, our high priest, crossing Jordan, exile, deliverance
and so on. It's a lovely subject, and lovely thought to be
become one of God's people also.

GoldenThread said:

What you speak is true! We must align ourselves with God. Now tell me, what must we do to align ourselves with God?

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by unconditional love.

GoldenThread said:

I'll ask you another question: What is the main purpose of God's spirit?

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again the 1st, 2nd, and new commandment to love.