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What do you think of this eco friendly plan. A two part question

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
First, highlights of the plan in the next 10 years

1) 99% of cars in the US gone
2) ban all air flights
3) get rid of oil, natural gas and nuclear energy (leaving coal?)
4) gut all buildings in the US and replace with energy efficient
5) build a super mass transit for everyone to use (but they won't have cars to get to it)

Second, would it surprise you these are points from the Green Deal of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and Sen. Ed Markey (D-MA)? and virtually all the democratic hopefuls endorsed it
Do you think they read it and will distance themselves once the details are discussed or stick to their 'resolve' and why?
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong and again Wrong. That's a totally made up fantasy. Why not read what the real idea is.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
First, highlights of the plan in the next 10 years

1) 99% of cars in the US gone
2) ban all air flights
3) get rid of oil, natural gas and nuclear energy (leaving coal?)
4) gut all buildings in the US and replace with energy efficient
5) build a super mass transit for everyone to use (but they won't have cars to get to it)

Second, would it surprise you these are points from the Green Deal of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and Sen. Ed Markey (D-MA)? and virtually all the democratic hopefuls endorsed it
Do you think they read it and will distance themselves once the details are discussed or stick to their 'resolve' and why?
Obviously it sets out a program not presently feasible. So perhaps that's not the real reason for proposing it.

What if, instead, it's intended to make you think?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I am a non political person, but i am agree with the green movment, just that this list you show us here is a bit over the top unrealistic. Less cars and get rid of oil and gas plus coal is a good thing, but the negative trend is not turning in 10 years. mybe within 20 years we see results
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
First, highlights of the plan in the next 10 years

1) 99% of cars in the US gone
2) ban all air flights
3) get rid of oil, natural gas and nuclear energy (leaving coal?)
4) gut all buildings in the US and replace with energy efficient
5) build a super mass transit for everyone to use (but they won't have cars to get to it)

Second, would it surprise you these are points from the Green Deal of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and Sen. Ed Markey (D-MA)? and virtually all the democratic hopefuls endorsed it
Do you think they read it and will distance themselves once the details are discussed or stick to their 'resolve' and why?
I for one am certain that this is a totally accurate fair and balanced portrayal of exactly what is specified in the Green New Deal and not at all a totally biased and ridiculous exaggeration if not outright fabrication of what it actually contains or the plans for its execution.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
The Green New Deal is sincerely considered a cure, for the mass panic, created by the left, connected to climate change. Many young people, on the left, have been fed doom and gloom scenarios, since childhood, with the earth about to be destroyed in a few years, every few years. If we assume this was true and you bought into the fear, as did Cortez, things would need to change fast, to turn the tide. The details of her proposal are accurate and reflect the panic button steps needed to save the planet; It assumes this is all true and we need a national emergency.

The problem is, the Democrat leadership also caused mass panic over Trump-Russian collusion. This is in its final days, and is being shown to be a scam. There is now some doubt in the infallibility of the left wing leadership. They are being shown to be good con artists.

The reaction by senior Democrats, to walk back the Green New Deal, tells me the Democrat leadership knows that climate change is a scam, and they also know it did not fool the majority of the American people, beyond their own younger base. This is not good politics at this time.

The intentions of the young leftists, like Cortex, is based on a sincere belief in that scam. The logical solution to the fear, will not play well for those who were not indoctrinated. The fear of the Democrat leadership is that party wide acceptance, of the solution to the scam, will be seen as being too radical, instead of a cure, for a voter majority.

The analogy is an older sibling, toys with a younger sibling, to have a few laughs. He convinces the younger sibling that a murderer is in the neighborhood. He tells him there is no time to call the police. Instead the younger sibling needs to nail all the doors and windows shut. The younger sibling is so panicked he believes this and gets the hammer and nails. The parents come home and have to come in through a window, since the door is nailed shut They get very angry at the younger sibling, because he nails the front door.

Mitch McConnell is taking the Green New Deal up for a vote, to expose the scammers for what they are. There is panic among the Democrat leadership and their fake news propaganda wing, less they be exposed for causing the panic reaction. In the sibling scenario, the older sibling; Democrats, are circling the wagons and distances themselves, less they can blamed, for the idea to nail the doors and windows shut. This is good for the Republicans, since it will divide the panicked young left voter, who is about to explode from decades of fear, from the con artist Democrat leadership; older sibling swamp.

The left has the problem of panicked youth, who can no longer wait. The scam had been timed to coincide with a Hillary presidency. Trump messed up the psychological time bomb and it is about to engage at the wrong political time. Trump is going to have take out the left wing scam artists to save the leftist youth. AG Barr is in place, so this counter offensive is about to begin.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
First, highlights of the plan in the next 10 years

1) 99% of cars in the US gone
2) ban all air flights
3) get rid of oil, natural gas and nuclear energy (leaving coal?)
4) gut all buildings in the US and replace with energy efficient
5) build a super mass transit for everyone to use (but they won't have cars to get to it)

Second, would it surprise you these are points from the Green Deal of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and Sen. Ed Markey (D-MA)? and virtually all the democratic hopefuls endorsed it
Do you think they read it and will distance themselves once the details are discussed or stick to their 'resolve' and why?
It's a terrible plan because it's not even a plan....just someone's Pollyanna pipe dream.
People won't give up travel, nor can they afford these things.
We can't even get government to do cheaper easier fixes to problems.
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
OK. Clearly this thread needs a reality check.

First, none of the Green New Deal (GND) is actually going to finish up in 10 or even 20 years. The idea is that over the next 10 years the initial “mobilization” of the plan will begin.
Second, apparently a poorly written (flippant) FAQ sheet about the GND was published, and later withdrawn by Ocazio-Cortez’ office, but it gave the president along with every RW propoganda outlet a LOT of ammunition to spew blatant lies and intentional distortions (like the OP) about the GND.
Here is a fact-check of Trump’s egregious tweet and the FAQ. — Useful link A.

Here is a NYT piece — More Realistic view of the GND.
Third, this is not a law, and is just a set of suggestions like FDR’s New Deal upon which this GND is modelled, (or like JFK’s moonshot speeches). As such, it is giving broad goals for government and industry to reach together. Like the moon landings, we as Americans can actually do all these good and useful and productive things....if you have the brains and the drive.

And last....
Here’s the actual text of the Green New Deal, for those in this forum with enough ambition and intellect to know the truth.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Someone needs to fact check what their radical media tells them. Are you trolling on purpose @whirlingmerc?

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whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Someone needs to fact check what their radical media tells them. Are you trolling on purpose @whirlingmerc?

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Actually.... Ocasio is doing some backpedalling and a claim is floated that some of her workers erroneously released wrong information.... unfortunately for her there are records of it on the internat

and as Mark Theissen comments:
Ocasio-Cortez has been pilloried for her plan to "get rid of farting cows and airplanes," upgrade or replace "every building in America," replace "every combustible-engine vehicle" and provide "economic security" for people "unwilling to work" -- and rightly so. The old five-year plans of the former Soviet Union are modest, by comparison, in their pursuit of full socialism.
Marc Thiessen: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s ‘Green New Deal’ accidentally exposes the left’s big lie
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
It's a terrible plan because it's not even a plan....just someone's Pollyanna pipe dream.
People won't give up travel, nor can they afford these things.
We can't even get government to do cheaper easier fixes to problems.


There is no cost analysis but all major democratic hopefuls endorsed it
sad to say...

COMMENTARY
Congressional Democrats Release "Green New Deal" Plan
Jonathan A. Lesser Robert Bryce
February 8, 2019
Energy & EnvironmentOther
quote


The Resolution reads like Venezuela’s constitution, which enshrined all sorts of “rights” to its citizens. That’s certainly working out well. One curiosity in the Resolution is its call for overhauling transportation systems (to be pollution-free, of course) and investing in high-speed rail. But if ever there was a transportation boondoggle, it is high-speed rail. California’s deservedly-maligned high-speed rail system is now projected to cost $100 billion, if it is ever finished, more than three times the original cost estimate. It would make more sense to resolve that a Star-Trek transporter will be developed by 2030 to move everybody instantly. Beam me up, Scotty!
unquote
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
my my my.....

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Green New Deal Backpedaling Doesn't Reverse Its Stupidity

quote
On February 7th, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez released her Green New Deal. And people laughed — at the document, and at Democrats who praised it. While Ben Shapiro hailed it as “one of the stupidest [things] ever written” (here), Cory Booker imbecilically compared it to fighting Nazi’s in the 40’s (here).

A few targeted American enemies of the directive? Planes and farts (here).

Now, the “lost” representative (here) seems to be backpedaling.

As stated by The Daily Caller:

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has retracted and then denied her own office’s explanation of the Green New Deal, a resolution critics say would bankrupt and cripple the country.

The DC put together a video revealing the strange content and aftermath of her quickly-removed-from-her-website plan with no plan, which I’ve included at the bottom of this article.
unquote

The Occasio camp struggles to keep their stories straight

 
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whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Obviously it sets out a program not presently feasible. So perhaps that's not the real reason for proposing it.

What if, instead, it's intended to make you think?
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Nothing wrong with thinking... more thinking would be better than having Politicians back proposals they never read or thought through
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
The Green New Deal is sincerely considered a cure, for the mass panic, created by the left, connected to climate change. Many young people, on the left, have been fed doom and gloom scenarios, since childhood, with the earth about to be destroyed in a few years, every few years. If we assume this was true and you bought into the fear, as did Cortez, things would need to change fast, to turn the tide. The details of her proposal are accurate and reflect the panic button steps needed to save the planet; It assumes this is all true and we need a national emergency.

The problem is, the Democrat leadership also caused mass panic over Trump-Russian collusion. This is in its final days, and is being shown to be a scam. There is now some doubt in the infallibility of the left wing leadership. They are being shown to be good con artists.

The reaction by senior Democrats, to walk back the Green New Deal, tells me the Democrat leadership knows that climate change is a scam, and they also know it did not fool the majority of the American people, beyond their own younger base. This is not good politics at this time.

The intentions of the young leftists, like Cortex, is based on a sincere belief in that scam. The logical solution to the fear, will not play well for those who were not indoctrinated. The fear of the Democrat leadership is that party wide acceptance, of the solution to the scam, will be seen as being too radical, instead of a cure, for a voter majority.

The analogy is an older sibling, toys with a younger sibling, to have a few laughs. He convinces the younger sibling that a murderer is in the neighborhood. He tells him there is no time to call the police. Instead the younger sibling needs to nail all the doors and windows shut. The younger sibling is so panicked he believes this and gets the hammer and nails. The parents come home and have to come in through a window, since the door is nailed shut They get very angry at the younger sibling, because he nails the front door.

Mitch McConnell is taking the Green New Deal up for a vote, to expose the scammers for what they are. There is panic among the Democrat leadership and their fake news propaganda wing, less they be exposed for causing the panic reaction. In the sibling scenario, the older sibling; Democrats, are circling the wagons and distances themselves, less they can blamed, for the idea to nail the doors and windows shut. This is good for the Republicans, since it will divide the panicked young left voter, who is about to explode from decades of fear, from the con artist Democrat leadership; older sibling swamp.

The left has the problem of panicked youth, who can no longer wait. The scam had been timed to coincide with a Hillary presidency. Trump messed up the psychological time bomb and it is about to engage at the wrong political time. Trump is going to have take out the left wing scam artists to save the leftist youth. AG Barr is in place, so this counter offensive is about to begin.

We shall see !!! But sometimes you don't know whether to laugh or to cry... it's so strange
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
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Nothing wrong with thinking... more thinking would be better than having Politicians back proposals they never read or thought through
In this case, yes.

But a future with a lot less CO2 has to be a lot closer than we think or there'll be a lot less of us to think.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Actually.... Ocasio is doing some backpedalling and a claim is floated that some of her workers erroneously released wrong information.... unfortunately for her there are records of it on the internat

and as Mark Theissen comments:
Ocasio-Cortez has been pilloried for her plan to "get rid of farting cows and airplanes," upgrade or replace "every building in America," replace "every combustible-engine vehicle" and provide "economic security" for people "unwilling to work" -- and rightly so. The old five-year plans of the former Soviet Union are modest, by comparison, in their pursuit of full socialism.
Marc Thiessen: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s ‘Green New Deal’ accidentally exposes the left’s big lie
Still spinning I see. No one advocated banning cows or airplanes. Change your information sources, radical RW media isn't credible.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Still spinning I see. No one advocated banning cows or airplanes. Change your information sources, radical RW media isn't credible.

it was a direct quote ... perhaps that was part of the 'early draft that was accidentally uploaded' that Alexandra spoke of?

They certainly have a 'way with words' but to be fair so does Trump.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
In this case, yes.

But a future with a lot less CO2 has to be a lot closer than we think or there'll be a lot less of us to think.

Interestingly the largest carbon footprint country would be China
and no mention of that in any Green Deal. More than likely China will keep expanding as it industrializes

I also see Ms Occasio appears very willing to find her expensive proposals by going further in debt
asserting they will save money (I think I heard that claim from Obama about his health care and one of his expert advisors was rebuked for saying that was just a political ploy as I recall)
 
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