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Added bible verses

Riders

Well-Known Member
Before I give my debate I will start by saying this.Usually when I have criticism this way, I get told it makes no difference, its a bad argument I have proved nothing and none of the experts agree with me.
Uh this is not my debate, it actually belongs to an expert.


Talk heathen is the Austin Athiests show where Athiests debate Christians and other religion people ont he existence of God proving Christianity topics like that.

Before you say its worthless they know nothing, I got the info to start watching them from here in the section that challenges belief in God here.

There was a thread about one of their debates and many people agreed with it. So they are good at what they do.

I got this from them, I had never heard it so surprised.So the Christian church claims the Bible is the perfect inspired word of God with no mistakes.

Yet there are several verses in the bible that were added many many many years later after the original first versions if the bible came out, so after the bible came out written many years later verses were added that were not there originally. To me how can teach your bible is the perfect word of God when you don't actually read your bible, its a different bible then early bibles?

Should Mark 16:9-20 be in the Bible? This scripture is one that was added the scripture about Mary Magdalen seeing Jesus first.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Before I give my debate I will start by saying this.Usually when I have criticism this way, I get told it makes no difference, its a bad argument I have proved nothing and none of the experts agree with me.
Uh this is not my debate, it actually belongs to an expert.


Talk heathen is the Austin Athiests show where Athiests debate Christians and other religion people ont he existence of God proving Christianity topics like that.

Before you say its worthless they know nothing, I got the info to start watching them from here in the section that challenges belief in God here.

There was a thread about one of their debates and many people agreed with it. So they are good at what they do.

I got this from them, I had never heard it so surprised.So the Christian church claims the Bible is the perfect inspired word of God with no mistakes.

Yet there are several verses in the bible that were added many many many years later after the original first versions if the bible came out, so after the bible came out written many years later verses were added that were not there originally. To me how can teach your bible is the perfect word of God when you don't actually read your bible, its a different bible then early bibles?

Should Mark 16:9-20 be in the Bible? This scripture is one that was added the scripture about Mary Magdalen seeing Jesus first.

A Christian biblical canon is the set of books that a particular Christian denomination or denominational family regards as being divinely inspired and thus constituting an authorized Christian Bible.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
Uh thats not reasonable, if I can not count on the first original bibles written, I am not going to take a chance on counting on the now bible, it makes it not perfect.
It was wrong back, then why would it be right now?
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Uh thats not reasonable, if I can not count on the first original bibles written, I am not going to take a chance on counting on the now bible, it makes it not perfect.

Based on how the Biblical Canon was formed, it should be expected there'd be disagreement of what books or maybe even what verses should be part of the Bible.

 

Riders

Well-Known Member
Based on how the Biblical Canon was formed, it should be expected there'd be disagreement of what books or maybe even what verses should be part of the Bible.

Its not a disagreement, it was written as the bible and the bible changed and verses were added later on which means the first bibles were not perfect nor correct.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
Based on how the Biblical Canon was formed, it should be expected there'd be disagreement of what books or maybe even what verses should be part of the Bible.

I have a question for you, sense I am not talking oen bible, I am not talking about one cannon, why did you out that up here? I am speaking of the original version bible without added scriptures verses the one with added scriptures, thats 2 bibles, so which one is right? You don't have 2 bibles there you have one which one the early versions or the ones with added scriptures? The one without the scripture about Mary Magdalen sightings of Jesus or the one with out that?
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
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I have a question for you, sense I am not talking oen bible, I am not talking about one cannon, why did you out that up here? I am speaking of the original version bible without added scriptures verses the one with added scriptures, thats 2 bibles, so which one is right? You don't have 2 bibles there you have one which one the early versions or the ones with added scriptures? The one without the scripture about Mary Magdalen sightings of Jesus or the one with out that?

The original text of Mark 16:9-20 may have been lost; so then, this text would have been rightfully restored by some scribe who was aware of the content that appeared in the original text.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
"In the early years of the twentieth century, more conservatively minded Christians published a 12 volume series of articles known as "The Fundamentals" in which they set forth what they understood to be the fundamental doctrines of Christianity, doctrines they felt were endangered by Biblical Criticism and Liberal Protestant theology. This is the origins of what we know today as Fundamentalism. For Fundamentalists, the Bible is "inerrant", that is, free from error, and when the Bible disagrees with the results of science and historical scholarship, it is the Bible that should be believed.

Some Christians, those like Emanuel Swedenborg, don't agree with modern Fundamentalism. Swedenborgianism considers... "the first 11 chapters of Genesis (roughly everything that comes before a certain point in the ancestry of Abraham) to be what we would call today pure mythology. That is, he reads the early chapters of Genesis as an account of the early spiritual history of the human race expressed in symbolic language, rather than as a literal account of creation. He also rejects a number of the statements that the Bible makes about God, saying that these Biblical statements indeed express how God appeared to be for the writers of the Bible, but God is in truth otherwise. On the other hand, whether and how Swedenborg's approach to the Bible can be reconciled with with modern historical criticism remains an open question, one on which present day Swedenborgians can differ. Finally, in so far as Swedenborg taught that the Bible has several levels of interpretation, his approach is reminiscent of some of the ancient and medieval approaches. But he differs from them in the degree and consistency with which he worked out the "inner" meanings of the Bible."

'The Word' for Swedenborg is in its broadest sense God's infinite truth. This Word is, of course, in its completeness beyond the grasp of any finite being. For finite beings in different realms of existence or living in different eras, there are different vessels or containers of God's infinite truth, adapted to the spiritual psychology of their recipients. For instance, the Word comes to the angels in the heavens, not in terms of historical events or personalities, but in terms of a symbolic representation of spiritual states and changes of state. The earliest people, who lived in an era that Swedenborg called the Most Ancient Church, had a direct perception of God's will for them. And God would sometimes appear to them in human form. At this stage there was no need for a codified Word. At a later era, which Swedenborg called the Ancient Church, people had a written scripture, which he called the Ancient Word, written entirely in symbolic language. Swedenborg says that the first eleven or so chapters of Genesis are a fragment of the Ancient Word. And he hinted that other fragments of the Ancient Word are to be found among the older religions of the world.

This fragment of the Ancient Word found in Genesis goes from Adam and Eve through Noah's flood, the Tower of Babel and up to the birth of Eber, the ancestor of the Hebrews. None of the characters before Eber stand for historical individuals, but rather each one stands for the human race as a whole. The story chronicles among other things the transformations of human consciousness from the unitive awareness and conscious communion with God found in the Most Ancient Church, to the divided and alienated consciousness which characterizes humanity today. Starting with Eber, says Swedenborg, the Bible refers to historical personages and events. However, at a deeper level of meaning it continues to use a kind of spiritual symbolism, which Swedenborg calls correspondence, to chronical inner reality.

When it comes to the Bible as we know it today, Swedenborg held that there is a series of books within the Protestant canon which tell a continuous story at the level of inner meaning. These books are as follows:
  • The Pentateuch (or "Books of Moses"): Genesis through Deuteronomy
  • The historical books: Joshua through II Kings
  • The Psalms
  • The Prophets: Isaiah through Malachi
  • The four Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John
  • The Book of Revelation
These books constitute 'The Word' for Swedenborg in a way that the others don't. The most notable exclusion from the Word, in this sense, is perhaps the Epistles of Paul. However, to be clear we must emphasize that he is not saying that the others books of the Protestant canon are not inspired or that they shouldn't be read and studied. He is simply saying that they do not have an inner sense in the same way that the books which make up The Word do.

The continuous story found in the (Natural) Word has several "inner" or correspondential senses, that unfold in parallel. The most important are:
  1. The spiritual history of the human race.
  2. The story of Jesus' spiritual development. (Glorification)
  3. The story of our own spiritual development. (Regeneration)..."
Swedenborg Theology Course, Session 6: What Is the Bible?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Before I give my debate I will start by saying this.Usually when I have criticism this way, I get told it makes no difference, its a bad argument I have proved nothing and none of the experts agree with me.
Uh this is not my debate, it actually belongs to an expert.


Talk heathen is the Austin Athiests show where Athiests debate Christians and other religion people ont he existence of God proving Christianity topics like that.

Before you say its worthless they know nothing, I got the info to start watching them from here in the section that challenges belief in God here.

There was a thread about one of their debates and many people agreed with it. So they are good at what they do.

I got this from them, I had never heard it so surprised.So the Christian church claims the Bible is the perfect inspired word of God with no mistakes.

Yet there are several verses in the bible that were added many many many years later after the original first versions if the bible came out, so after the bible came out written many years later verses were added that were not there originally. To me how can teach your bible is the perfect word of God when you don't actually read your bible, its a different bible then early bibles?

Should Mark 16:9-20 be in the Bible? This scripture is one that was added the scripture about Mary Magdalen seeing Jesus first.
A quick look at the etymology of many words in the Bible makes it much easier to see what's been redacted and added to its earlier versions.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
"In the early years of the twentieth century, more conservatively minded Christians published a 12 volume series of articles known as "The Fundamentals" in which they set forth what they understood to be the fundamental doctrines of Christianity, doctrines they felt were endangered by Biblical Criticism and Liberal Protestant theology. This is the origins of what we know today as Fundamentalism. For Fundamentalists, the Bible is "inerrant", that is, free from error, and when the Bible disagrees with the results of science and historical scholarship, it is the Bible that should be believed.

Some Christians, those like Emanuel Swedenborg, don't agree with modern Fundamentalism. Swedenborgianism considers... "the first 11 chapters of Genesis (roughly everything that comes before a certain point in the ancestry of Abraham) to be what we would call today pure mythology. That is, he reads the early chapters of Genesis as an account of the early spiritual history of the human race expressed in symbolic language, rather than as a literal account of creation. He also rejects a number of the statements that the Bible makes about God, saying that these Biblical statements indeed express how God appeared to be for the writers of the Bible, but God is in truth otherwise. On the other hand, whether and how Swedenborg's approach to the Bible can be reconciled with with modern historical criticism remains an open question, one on which present day Swedenborgians can differ. Finally, in so far as Swedenborg taught that the Bible has several levels of interpretation, his approach is reminiscent of some of the ancient and medieval approaches. But he differs from them in the degree and consistency with which he worked out the "inner" meanings of the Bible."

'The Word' for Swedenborg is in its broadest sense God's infinite truth. This Word is, of course, in its completeness beyond the grasp of any finite being. For finite beings in different realms of existence or living in different eras, there are different vessels or containers of God's infinite truth, adapted to the spiritual psychology of their recipients. For instance, the Word comes to the angels in the heavens, not in terms of historical events or personalities, but in terms of a symbolic representation of spiritual states and changes of state. The earliest people, who lived in an era that Swedenborg called the Most Ancient Church, had a direct perception of God's will for them. And God would sometimes appear to them in human form. At this stage there was no need for a codified Word. At a later era, which Swedenborg called the Ancient Church, people had a written scripture, which he called the Ancient Word, written entirely in symbolic language. Swedenborg says that the first eleven or so chapters of Genesis are a fragment of the Ancient Word. And he hinted that other fragments of the Ancient Word are to be found among the older religions of the world.

This fragment of the Ancient Word found in Genesis goes from Adam and Eve through Noah's flood, the Tower of Babel and up to the birth of Eber, the ancestor of the Hebrews. None of the characters before Eber stand for historical individuals, but rather each one stands for the human race as a whole. The story chronicles among other things the transformations of human consciousness from the unitive awareness and conscious communion with God found in the Most Ancient Church, to the divided and alienated consciousness which characterizes humanity today. Starting with Eber, says Swedenborg, the Bible refers to historical personages and events. However, at a deeper level of meaning it continues to use a kind of spiritual symbolism, which Swedenborg calls correspondence, to chronical inner reality.

When it comes to the Bible as we know it today, Swedenborg held that there is a series of books within the Protestant canon which tell a continuous story at the level of inner meaning. These books are as follows:
  • The Pentateuch (or "Books of Moses"): Genesis through Deuteronomy
  • The historical books: Joshua through II Kings
  • The Psalms
  • The Prophets: Isaiah through Malachi
  • The four Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John
  • The Book of Revelation
These books constitute 'The Word' for Swedenborg in a way that the others don't. The most notable exclusion from the Word, in this sense, is perhaps the Epistles of Paul. However, to be clear we must emphasize that he is not saying that the others books of the Protestant canon are not inspired or that they shouldn't be read and studied. He is simply saying that they do not have an inner sense in the same way that the books which make up The Word do.

The continuous story found in the (Natural) Word has several "inner" or correspondential senses, that unfold in parallel. The most important are:
  1. The spiritual history of the human race.
  2. The story of Jesus' spiritual development. (Glorification)
  3. The story of our own spiritual development. (Regeneration)..."
Swedenborg Theology Course, Session 6: What Is the Bible?
But still does not prove the historicity and authenticity of the bible.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
But still does not prove the historicity and authenticity of the bible.

Much of the Bible is simply bronze age mythology that shouldn't be taken literally to heart.

Parts of the Bible have a hidden inner meaning that was discovered by Emanuel Swedenborg, who revealed an inner spiritual meaning of the Bible; hence, it's not meant to be taken literally.
 
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Before I give my debate I will start by saying this.Usually when I have criticism this way, I get told it makes no difference, its a bad argument I have proved nothing and none of the experts agree with me.
Uh this is not my debate, it actually belongs to an expert.


Talk heathen is the Austin Athiests show where Athiests debate Christians and other religion people ont he existence of God proving Christianity topics like that.

Before you say its worthless they know nothing, I got the info to start watching them from here in the section that challenges belief in God here.

There was a thread about one of their debates and many people agreed with it. So they are good at what they do.

I got this from them, I had never heard it so surprised.So the Christian church claims the Bible is the perfect inspired word of God with no mistakes.

Yet there are several verses in the bible that were added many many many years later after the original first versions if the bible came out, so after the bible came out written many years later verses were added that were not there originally. To me how can teach your bible is the perfect word of God when you don't actually read your bible, its a different bible then early bibles?

Should Mark 16:9-20 be in the Bible? This scripture is one that was added the scripture about Mary Magdalen seeing Jesus first.
Quick question for you. If we don't have the original manuscripts for the Bible, how can you or anyone say what's not suppose to be there? How can you or the Austin Atheist say something was added if you don't know what was originally there in the first place?
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Before I give my debate I will start by saying this.Usually when I have criticism this way, I get told it makes no difference, its a bad argument I have proved nothing and none of the experts agree with me.
Uh this is not my debate, it actually belongs to an expert.


Talk heathen is the Austin Athiests show where Athiests debate Christians and other religion people ont he existence of God proving Christianity topics like that.

Before you say its worthless they know nothing, I got the info to start watching them from here in the section that challenges belief in God here.

There was a thread about one of their debates and many people agreed with it. So they are good at what they do.

I got this from them, I had never heard it so surprised.So the Christian church claims the Bible is the perfect inspired word of God with no mistakes.

Yet there are several verses in the bible that were added many many many years later after the original first versions if the bible came out, so after the bible came out written many years later verses were added that were not there originally. To me how can teach your bible is the perfect word of God when you don't actually read your bible, its a different bible then early bibles?

Should Mark 16:9-20 be in the Bible? This scripture is one that was added the scripture about Mary Magdalen seeing Jesus first.


Mark, the companion of Paul, never met Jesus. Nor was he the author of the gospel that now bears his name.

All the New Testament gospels were originally anonymous, until the second-century Church Fathers attributed them to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, so we do not even know who wrote the Gospel of Mark.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
As I understand it, the biblical canon was decided on by committee vote -- a committee with an agenda.

A quick google search will unearth hundreds of inconsistencies, errors and contradictions even among the chosen texts.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
As I understand it, the biblical canon was decided on by committee vote -- a committee with an agenda.

A quick google search will unearth hundreds of inconsistencies, errors and contradictions even among the chosen texts.
Lots of that.
 
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