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Psalm 110:1 The LORD said unto my lord?

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Desert Snake

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Faithofchristian said:
knowing you will.

Just try staying with the book of
Matthew 22:41-45 and the book of
Psalm 110:1.
Seeing that Christ Jesus is only qouting
Psalm 110:1. In Matthew 22:41-45
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Psalm 110
As a religious text, one is, especially in this instance, reading this religiously. This verse could be interpreted in more than one manner.

That being said, the reference in the text, we have, is the Hebrew, name JHVH, at the beginning.

Leaving aside any arguments about text modification, like, scribal modification, or such, we have, what in English,
'Lord, and said unto the Lord', generally. I read this as, in english, actually, using the 'Lord', usage, here, 'Lord said unto Lord.'

Now, in the traditional religious Christian interpretation, this is, referring to 'Jesus', and, thusly, it is essentially, Jesus in the Old Testament.

Now
Matthew 22:44
Dovid is saying, the Psalm.

He says, 'Lord', twice. So, if this is JHVH talking to 'Jesus', then Dovid actually is, calling 'Jesus ', 'Lord'.
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Disciple of Jesus said:
Psalm 110
As a religious text, one is, especially in this instance, reading this religiously. This verse could be jnterpreted in more than one manner.

That being said, the reference in the text, we have, is the Hebrew, name JHVH, at the beginning.

Leaving aside any arguments about text modification, like, scribal modification, or such, we have, what in English,
'Lord, and said unto the Lord', generally. I read this as, in english, actually, using the 'Lord', usage, here, 'Lord said unto Lord.'

Now, in the traditional religious Christian interpretation, this is, referring to 'Jesus', and, thusly, it is essentially, Jesus in the Old Testament.

Now
Matthew 22:44
Dovid is saying, the Psalm.

He says, 'Lord', twice. So, if this is JHVH talking to 'jesus', then Dovid actually is, calling 'jesus ', 'Lord'.
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Seeing you haven't a clue or idea what your talking about.
as I am not going to waste any more of my time with you, all done
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Hebrews 1:5
Hebrews 1:8
Hebrews 1:13

These verses in the book of Hebrews, are all referring to Jesus, and they parallel

Psalms 110
&
Matthew 22:44
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
Faithofchristian said:
You still don't get it.

When Christ Jesus ask the Pharisees who son is Christ.
The Pharisees answered, saying, David

Then Christ Jesus said to the Pharisees, if Christ be the son of David, Then how can Christ be David's Lord.

Let's start with the book of
Matthew 22:41-45, Jesus quoting from Psalm 110:1.

In Verse 41, While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus ask them.

saying In Verse 42, "What think you of Christ, whose son is he?
the ( Pharisees) said unto him (Jesus)
The son of David.

Verse 43--"He ( Jesus) said unto the
( Pharisees) How does David in the spirit call ( Christ) Lord, saying
"
The LORD said unto my Lord, sit you on my right hand, till I make your enemies your footstool" Verse 44.

Verse 45--"If David then call ( Christ)
Lord.
How is ( Christ) ( David's) son"

So what we find is, Jesus quoting
Psalm 110:1--"The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool"

Therefore The LORD ( Christ Jesus) said unto David sit you at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.

Note ( LORD ) upper case -- Christ
Note ( Lord) in lower case --- king David
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You haven't answered any of my questions. So it seems to me, you are not paying attention to what I am saying. If you were, I think you would address the questions, perhaps then you would see.
Apparently you've made up your mind.
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
Disciple of Jesus said:
Psalm 110
As a religious text, one is, especially in this instance, reading this religiously. This verse could be interpreted in more than one manner.

That being said, the reference in the text, we have, is the Hebrew, name JHVH, at the beginning.

Leaving aside any arguments about text modification, like, scribal modification, or such, we have, what in English,
'Lord, and said unto the Lord', generally. I read this as, in english, actually, using the 'Lord', usage, here, 'Lord said unto Lord.'

Now, in the traditional religious Christian interpretation, this is, referring to 'Jesus', and, thusly, it is essentially, Jesus in the Old Testament.

Now
Matthew 22:44
Dovid is saying, the Psalm.

He says, 'Lord', twice. So, if this is JHVH talking to 'Jesus', then Dovid actually is, calling 'Jesus ', 'Lord'.
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@Faithofchristian apparently is not listening to anything you say, as long as it does not agree with him. Seems to me, he repeats himself, rather than address the posts.
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
Faithofchristian said:
Seeing you haven't a clue or idea what your talking about.
as I am not going to waste any more of my time with you, all done
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Can you explain why he does not have a clue of what he is saying... please? Can you show what is wrong with what he says... please?
 
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2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Faithofchristian said:
Not when there is ( LORD ) in higher case,
Which indicates a much higher LORD,
Than ( lord ) in lower case.

In the bible there will be ( God ) and there will be ( god )
The ( God ) in higher case indicates the God of creation.
The ( god ) in lower case, is a lower god, and not the higher case ( God ) of creation
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The Creator would have no beginning or end, no alpha nor omega.
 
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2ndpillar

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nPeace said:
It's bad enough lying to someone else, but lying to yourself...? :(
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It is a matter of life or death. A catch 22. He either believes that "Christ"/"Jesus" is "The LORD"/YHWH, or his whole life is a lie, and he won't be saved, such as being twinkled, as per 1 Corinthians 15:52-53. Listen, those "deceived", include "those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:14).

  1. 1 Corinthians 15:52-58 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
2ndpillar said:
It is a matter of life or death. A catch 22. He either believes that "Christ"/"Jesus" is "The LORD"/YHWH, or his whole life is a lie, and he won't be saved, such as being twinkled, as per 1 Corinthians 15:52-53. Listen, those "deceived", include "those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:14).

  1. 1 Corinthians 15:52-58 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."
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If he believes that Christ is Jehovah, that's like jumping from the frying pan, into the fire.
David is speaking, so Jehovah is speaking to David's Lord. Who would that be? Christ.
Jehovah is speaking to Jesus, so :shrug:
 
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2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
nPeace said:
If he believes that Christ is Jehovah, that's like jumping from the frying pan, into the fire.
David is speaking, so Jehovah is speaking to David's Lord. Who would that be? Christ.
Jehovah is speaking to Jesus, so :shrug:
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David's "my lord" is the same "my lord" of Daniel (Daniel 10:16), the same "like a son of man" of Daniel 7:13.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
nPeace said:
Good scripture. Hebrews 1:13
That's another one that shows the one being told, "Sit at my right hand." is the Christ. However, that won't change @Faithofchristian's mind. It's done made up.
I thought you believed as he did though. Interesting.
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Sure. I'll put this as basically as seems necessary

Jesus=God
Jehovah=God
Spirit=God

Same God, different aspects. So, I refer to the aspects of God, separately, when that occurs, in that context. Sometimes it doesn't occur, and we just have the name 'God'. So, that's fine as well, as there is no division, in this, as we would consider things in a worldly context.

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Faithofchristian

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2ndpillar said:
It is a matter of life or death. A catch 22. He either believes that "Christ"/"Jesus" is "The LORD"/YHWH, or his whole life is a lie, and he won't be saved, such as being twinkled, as per 1 Corinthians 15:52-53. Listen, those "deceived", include "those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:14).

  1. 1 Corinthians 15:52-58 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothed itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."
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Ok, 2ndPillow then explain exactly, how
1st Corinthians 15:52-58, fits into the book of Revelation in it's proper order of events.

In a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound"

According to the book of Revelation, what is that last trumpet to sound.

( The dead will be raised imperishable)
Who's the Dead, According to the book of Revelation. Who are they ?

And what does it mean "Death has been swallowed up in victory"
When does this take place in the book of Revelation.
And Who is Death, What is the name of Death according to the book of Revelation and the book of Hebrews.

Do you have any idea or clue when all these things takes place in accordance to the book of Revelation.

Can you lay everything out in accordance what Christ Jesus has given in the book of Revelation.

Can you start at the beginning back when Satan first started his rebellion and put everything in order all the way from the book of Genesis to the book of Revelation as to how everything is to come down, in it's proper order of events.
Can you do this?
 
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Desert Snake

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Now, to some other things regarding this discussion:
The title of 'Lord', like other titles, [it is a name, as well, when used such, the title of Lord, in reference to a High Angel, does not, have the same, inference, as when referring to a person. Hence, there either is no language delineation concerning this, or, like the way we use the word, it varies in emphasis.

Since I don't practice Judaism, not every reference to Lord, or God, cross language wise, is going to match the interpretation, of the emphasis of the title or name. Note the theological belief, here, that God, without specification, is always going to mean God, or, the Biblical God.

Comparing the titles and names, between various books, one finds that, the names cannot have specification, always, as such as is often argued.
So, the Abba is called God, Jesus is called God, [note book of John, so forth.

Mark 14:25 Matthew 4:17 Matthew 26:29 Luke 22:30 Romans 14:17 1 Corinthians 4:20 John 18:36 Ephesians 5:5
Whose Kingdom? Kingdom verses, the Abbas Kingdom, Jesus's Kingdom, the Kingdom of Heaven
 
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nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
Disciple of Jesus said:
Sure. I'll put this as basically as seems necessary

Jesus=God
Jehovah=God
Spirit=God

Same God, different aspects. So, I refer to the aspects of God, separately, when that occurs, in that context. Sometimes it doesn't occur, and we just have the name 'God'. So, that's fine as well, as there is no division, in this, as we would consider things in a worldly context.

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Can you show how Spirit=God?
 
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2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Faithofchristian said:
Ok, 2ndPillow then explain exactly, how
1st Corinthians 15:52-58, fits into the book of Revelation in it's proper order of events.

In a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound"

According to the book of Revelation, what is that last trumpet to sound.

( The dead will be raised imperishable)
Who's the Dead, According to the book of Revelation. Who are they ?

And what does it mean "Death has been swallowed up in victory"
When does this take place in the book of Revelation.
And Who is Death, What is the name of Death according to the book of Revelation and the book of Hebrews.

Do you have any idea or clue when all these things takes place in accordance to the book of Revelation.

Can you lay everything out in accordance what Christ Jesus has given in the book of Revelation.

Can you start at the beginning back when Satan first started his rebellion and put everything in order all the way from the book of Genesis to the book of Revelation as to how everything is to come down, in it's proper order of events.
Can you do this?
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Revelation and Matthew 24:31 are about those not having the mark of the beast rise from the dead and gathered, not the "perishable turning into imperishable". The dead are already perished. And "everyone will die" (Jeremiah 31:30). You apparently, as a follower of the false prophet Paul, think "you surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:4), already have the mark of the beast and his serpent/dragon. As for the 6th trumpet, it will sound after the last "brethren who were to be killed" (Revelation 6:11), and accordingly, the "great earthquake" is coming. The end of death is regards to after the 7th millennium (Revelation 20:14). We are now in the era of the 8th head of the beast, one of the 7,for all 7 prior heads have died. (Rev 16:13-19 17:11) & (Daniel 2:35)
 
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