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If you say you don't need God

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
A life without God is like a rock. It exists in its own state. It has no lasting choice.

Almost all will get the chance to choose in this life, the choice of lasting thought.

Regards Tony
Honestly... was this supposed to carry some form of clear meaning?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I have something for you to think about and I would like to hear your thoughts on it.

It is from the commentary of the Quran translated into english by Yusuf Ali Abdullah and it goes like this:

"Your calling upon him in times of danger shows that in the depths of your hearts you feel his need."

I'm among those who didn't feel any need to call out to anybody or anything.

When I had my heart attack, I figured I'd just go back to before all this began.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Yes, very much so for me.

If you had to ask that question, then no, most likely not.

Regards Tony
Is not "God" part of your psychology, your mentation, a concept rather than a real being with objective existence?

I ask because I've never found a definition of "God" appropriate to a real being.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
I have something for you to think about and I would like to hear your thoughts on it.

It is from the commentary of the Quran translated into english by Yusuf Ali Abdullah and it goes like this:

"Your calling upon him in times of danger shows that in the depths of your hearts you feel his need."
Ah! That's where the "atheists in foxholes" story comes from.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Is not "God" part of your psychology, your mentation, a concept rather than a real being with objective existence?

I ask because I've never found a definition of "God" appropriate to a real being.

I see God is the giver of the cause of existance. Thus I see all existance returns to a single point and has branched from the letters B & E being joined and knit together. I see that cause is the Holy Spirit that enemates from the Most Great Spirit.

The representatives of God, who are God's Manifestations, are all we can know about God.

Thus for me, the only way to define a beleif in God is through a Messengers Life, Actions and Words.

Regards Tony
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I see God is the giver of the cause of existance. Thus I see all existance returns to a single point and has branched from the letters B & E being joined and knit together. I see that cause is the Holy Spirit that enemates from the Most Great Spirit.

The representatives of God, who are God's Manifestations, are all we can know about God.

Thus for me, the only way to define a beleif in God is through a Messengers Life, Actions and Words.

Regards Tony
That is a bit odd to me, but fair enough.

Do you have any ideas about how/why this God that you conceive chose not to make its existence obvious to everyone? Why would it want its existence to be known only so indirectly, and yet insist that it is a very big deal that people believe in and accept its existence?

Isn't it just more natural and more reasonable to conclude that if such a God exists, it does not particularly wants to be believed in? Or maybe it actively wants to be disbelieved, even?
 

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
I have something for you to think about and I would like to hear your thoughts on it.

It is from the commentary of the Quran translated into english by Yusuf Ali Abdullah and it goes like this:

"Your calling upon him in times of danger shows that in the depths of your hearts you feel his need."

So when people doubt God in times of hardships, what does that mean?
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
I see God is the giver of the cause of existance. Thus I see all existance returns to a single point and has branched from the letters B & E being joined and knit together. I see that cause is the Holy Spirit that enemates from the Most Great Spirit.

The representatives of God, who are God's Manifestations, are all we can know about God.

Thus for me, the only way to define a beleif in God is through a Messengers Life, Actions and Words.

Regards Tony
Marvelously esoteric.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I have something for you to think about and I would like to hear your thoughts on it.

It is from the commentary of the Quran translated into english by Yusuf Ali Abdullah and it goes like this:

"Your calling upon him in times of danger shows that in the depths of your hearts you feel his need."
Most atheists don't call upon God in times of danger. Provide evidence for your claims.
Next.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
Most atheists don't call upon God in times of danger. Provide evidence for your claims.
Next.
I guess it depends on how one classifies athiests. If I was one of those who did not "believe or not believe," then I might. It is my belief that a god does not exist that would prevent me from doing so. I find it interesting to look at people's responses in this thread and compare there proclaimed beliefs/lack of beliefs.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Imagine sailors in a storm given up hope the ship is sinking no shore anywhere. They may well get on their knees and pray. Not that I ever meant to say they pray per ce. ...depending a little on how you like to define a prayer.
Nah. Atheists won't. Praying is something that needs to be taught. If one is not taught to pray, it won't happen at all as a reflex act in times of stress and danger.
 

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
I have something for you to think about and I would like to hear your thoughts on it.

It is from the commentary of the Quran translated into english by Yusuf Ali Abdullah and it goes like this:

"Your calling upon him in times of danger shows that in the depths of your hearts you feel his need."

I've never called on the Islamic god, so......
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
I have something for you to think about and I would like to hear your thoughts on it.
It is from the commentary of the Quran translated into english by Yusuf Ali Abdullah and it goes like this:
"Your calling upon him in times of danger shows that in the depths of your hearts you feel his need."

This can be easily be proven wrong, esp. because you imply(depth of heart) it is true for all ages

There used to be plenty of tribes who never heard about God (that's why some Christians evangelize)
If they were never told about God, they would not know God, hence they would not "call upon Him"
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
It is from the commentary of the Quran translated into english by Yusuf Ali Abdullah and it goes like this:
"Your calling upon him in times of danger shows that in the depths of your hearts you feel his need."

When doctors told me I was going to die in a few days, I called upon God. It was not the God from the Quran.
So according to your words you acknowledge my God. Thanks, nice to hear from a Muslim.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
I have something for you to think about and I would like to hear your thoughts on it.

It is from the commentary of the Quran translated into english by Yusuf Ali Abdullah and it goes like this:

"Your calling upon him in times of danger shows that in the depths of your hearts you feel his need."

We can say verbally or think mentally we do not need God. We can see God as a myth or superstition or nonsense.

But to me it is clear as day that if God withdrew His powers for a split second, then existence would cease to exist.

Just the sun alone which i am convinced is in His Hands, if it ceased to exist we would all perish so while we see no need to verbally call out to God, I believe we are very much dependent on Him for our very existence whether we acknowledge it or not.
 
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