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"You Are A Good Writer".

Ellen Brown

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I've been writing since the early 80s and gotten nothing published. At first, I was just too busy but in the last 15 years I've had more time to write and published Short Stories online. My work is just not that popular and it has been painful to experience that. Still, I just don't seem to know enough to give up, publishing something a couple times a year and wondering why I do it?

Today I was in contact with a Professor in the UK, who told me that I was a good writer, but sadly the market is not there for what I write. That felt almost as good as if I had actually gotten a story published on Kindle or even in 'Dead Tree". That statement will provide encouragement for some time, I hope.
 

VoidCat

Pronouns: he/him/they/them
I hope you eventually get a book publish..i myself will not be publishing any books of my poems or stories for money. I do not wish to be paid for my work. I do know of a few online sites(such as wattpad) where i could publish my work for free through I haven't been on any in a long time. I currently have been using youtube to share my work and I will not allow them to monetize it. Keep trying maybe someone will see your work and publish it. Perhaps you will even get paid well for it. I am here cheering you on in the meantime.
 
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Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
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Premium Member
I've been writing since the early 80s and gotten nothing published. At first, I was just too busy but in the last 15 years I've had more time to write and published Short Stories online. My work is just not that popular and it has been painful to experience that. Still, I just don't seem to know enough to give up, publishing something a couple times a year and wondering why I do it?

Today I was in contact with a Professor in the UK, who told me that I was a good writer, but sadly the market is not there for what I write. That felt almost as good as if I had actually gotten a story published on Kindle or even in 'Dead Tree". That statement will provide encouragement for some time, I hope.
Off topic question: Do you use writing or organizing software?
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
Off topic question: Do you use writing or organizing software?

No. I write with MS Word, as aggravating as it can be. Most writers are paranoid about having their work stolen so I don't knowingly use anything that could eavesdrop on me. I actually had one of my stories taken from a free site, and put on a pay site. These days, I could wear myself out trying to stop that.

I think that the best writing aid is to write lots and to critically edit one's self. There are many times, when I am writing that I will play with word order and punctuation, wishing that I had been a better student.
 

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
Staff member
Premium Member
No. I write with MS Word, as aggravating as it can be. Most writers are paranoid about having their work stolen so I don't knowingly use anything that could eavesdrop on me. I actually had one of my stories taken from a free site, and put on a pay site. These days, I could wear myself out trying to stop that.

I think that the best writing aid is to write lots and to critically edit one's self. There are many times, when I am writing that I will play with word order and punctuation, wishing that I had been a better student.
That is cool. I like some of the Garth Nix books in his Lirael series, and I was able to read some free fan fiction. What is your opinion about writing for free? Is it just for practice and do you think it might help promote you as an author, or do you think its not a good idea? What about fan fiction?
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Tough process, writing. I self-published 3 books 20 years back, sold about 3000 of them. Did a TV promotion tour, I don't know how now. So outside my personality. The writing is fun, the marketing is a nightmare. I had a few people tell me my writing was good, too. (More than just good, actually) I have a short story collection in the works, but rarely get motivated to work on it. My grandson liked a couple of the stories. A cousin asked me not to send her any more because it scared her a lot. She didn't realise it was a ghost story. I felt sorry for her, as I didn't know.

One quote I do remember from someone back in the day ... "The last thing this world need is another book." Still, I do admire anyone who has the persistence and determination . Good on you. But the best thing is that it's no loss to anyone to just sit down and write.
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
That is cool. I like some of the Garth Nix books in his Lirael series, and I was able to read some free fan fiction. What is your opinion about writing for free? Is it just for practice and do you think it might help promote you as an author, or do you think its not a good idea? What about fan fiction?

I gave up on trying to make money. The market is bad for Science Fiction Writers, and it is shot through with graft. Now I write because I must. I wouldn't dare write non-fiction because someone might follow my advice, and we mustn't have that!

Perhaps I blog about Religion and the search for legitimacy because I am trying to find an escape clause?
 

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
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Premium Member
...One quote I do remember from someone back in the day ... "The last thing this world need is another book."...
That may very well change. People may begin to hunger for books again. We're the first internet/video game generation. Its not clear yet what will happen. Maybe people will start rearing their children without TV's and so forth. I know some parents who strictly limit game and TV time and some who don't let children near things that might interfere with their reading, and so who knows.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
That may very well change. People may begin to hunger for books again. We're the first internet/video game generation. Its not clear yet what will happen. Maybe people will start rearing their children without TV's and so forth. I know some parents who strictly limit game and TV time and some who don't let children near things that might interfere with their reading, and so who knows.

My grandson is an absolutely prolific reader. He's in Grade 5 and read my 9000 word short stories in about 15 minutes. I had students like that too. Boss has read at least 1000 more books than me, probably closer to 10 000. So maybe, yes.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I think that the best writing aid is to write lots and to critically edit one's self.
And it is that, almost by itself, which makes me a bad writer. I can't self-edit, and I've never been able to tell that a sentence, having reached the 99 word count, might be just a shade too long...:(
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
And it is that, almost by itself, which makes me a bad writer. I can't self-edit, and I've never been able to tell that a sentence, having reached the 99 word count, might be just a shade too long...:(

If you get reviewed or proofread or edited by a few others, eventually you learn your weak spots. One of mine was comma overuse. I now use a self-editing list. Certain words like 'very' , 'actually' , its, and it's are on there. When I self published, I'd get bored at book signings and find all these stupid little errors. All the groaning and slapping myself upside the head got a few people interested in coming over for a chat.
 

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
Staff member
Premium Member
I gave up on trying to make money. The market is bad for Science Fiction Writers, and it is shot through with graft. Now I write because I must. I wouldn't dare write non-fiction because someone might follow my advice, and we mustn't have that!

Perhaps I blog about Religion and the search for legitimacy because I am trying to find an escape clause?
Sometimes I think about grabbing a book nobody has read for a long time, changing the names of people and events, reworking a few scenarios and then selling it. Is that terrible or what? :eek: How could I think of such a thing, and then what if nobody realized and started buying it? Then I'd be a truly lowdown rotten scumbag with lots of money, wouldn't I? I'd be worse than Disney. Before you know it I'd have my own theme park. That would be just awful.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Sometimes I think about grabbing a book nobody has read for a long time, changing the names of people and events, reworking a few scenarios and then selling it. Is that terrible or what? :eek: How could I think of such a thing, and then what if nobody realized and started buying it? Then I'd be a truly lowdown rotten scumbag with lots of money, wouldn't I? I'd be worse than Disney. Before you know it I'd have my own theme park. That would be just awful.

On some other forum, I put a sample of my writing up, and soon got accused of plagiarism. The accusers told me it was highly illegal. I thought that was hilarious. It was local yokel syndrome, but on the internet. Local yokel syndrome is tough. Nobody close to you thinks you could possibly write anything. Alberta authors do better in Alabama than they do in Alberta, and vice versa. It's quite the silly phenomena. It happened to certain Liverpool bands as well.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
@Ellen Brown This may be a bit off subject, but I write poetry and articles. I go to this site HubPages and semi-publish (don't get paid) articles. They have connecting networks depending on your interest and genre. It takes awhile; but, I read it's worth the patience. If you do decide you want to get paid, you can sign up towards making your work known to linking organizations. It's like, I can't think of the word, google-ad. Where you get money from the number of people who read your article type of thing.

Maybe something to do on your free time in between what you're doing now?
 
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Ellen Brown

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And it is that, almost by itself, which makes me a bad writer. I can't self-edit, and I've never been able to tell that a sentence, having reached the 99 word count, might be just a shade too long...:(

I was going to write a very snotty reply, but having breathed for a while, perhaps I can ask a question without being defensive?

I've tried editors and had some bad experiences. One was fond of returning my edited story in the 'marked up' version of Word. At the time, I could not make the corrections and get rid of the marking. Her help for that issue was less than helpful. Eventually I found out that her version of Word was so old that it was not compatible with mine. She's gone now, and was a very nice woman.

Another Editor wanted to take My story in a direction that I did not.

Recently I tried another editor, but they are busy and the turnaround time was a week or more for a short story.

I'm 72 and have decided to take my writing in a direction that I like. My newest story has captured my enthusiasm and it is the type that I could work on all night long, something that I've not done in years.

Pondering...
 

Infinitum

Possessed Bookworm
Writing is tough. Getting published is tough. Finding an audience after you've been published, even by a large imprint, is still really tough too. I know I keep writing despite all of that because it's how I express how I experience the world, but also because it's so satisfying when even a single person reads your work and says they gained something from it. I'm still chasing that elusive writing career, but I think the only way to stay sane is to hang on to the positive feedback from people you trust and know.

Off topic question: Do you use writing or organizing software?
I use Scrivener for larger projects. I can't live without it anymore because it makes editing waaaay easier.

What is your opinion about writing for free? Is it just for practice and do you think it might help promote you as an author, or do you think its not a good idea? What about fan fiction?
I think fan fiction is for fans and should be free, not only because of copyright laws, but also because I view fan fiction as a collective endeavour. As someone who's been writing non-fiction for free for five years I can say, based on my own experience, that it doesn't really promote you as an author. What promotes your fiction is your fiction -- which isn't to say that non-fiction doesn't have a role for promoting your personal brand, but it just isn't the same thing.

Most professional writers will tell you that publishing something for free is bad for business, because it devalues your work and the work of others. Writing is work (except when it isn't!) and you should get paid for it like for any work. Visibility doesn't pay the bills, just like having a gazillion social media followers won't pay your bills either.

This doesn't take into account that sometimes it's worth putting your work out there to get feedback, or to support a cause, or to share a thing with friends. But if you're publishing with the intention of building a career, you need to submit to places with an established audience, and those places (online magazines for example if we're talking short pieces) will pay you for it, even if it's a rather small sum. The standard rate, as far as I know, is six cents a word, which adds up to a couple of hundred dollars for an essay or a short story, but I also know of tiny magazines where fifty dollars is fair.

Nowadays you can of course self-publish. If you're able to build an audience, you can make a living selling your writing through Amazon or Patreon. Patreon is a fascinating business model in the sense that it's basically pay what you want, which also means you can publish your work for free and let others decide what they think it's worth.

I gave up on trying to make money. The market is bad for Science Fiction Writers, and it is shot through with graft. Now I write because I must. I wouldn't dare write non-fiction because someone might follow my advice, and we mustn't have that!

Perhaps I blog about Religion and the search for legitimacy because I am trying to find an escape clause?
I have a hard time believing the market is bad for SF, considering we're currently seeing a huge uptick in TV and movies that fall within the genre. We've seen some amazing literature recently, like N.K. Jemisin's Broken Earth series. I won't claim it's easy to break through in the genre because the competition is fierce, but I'd hate for you to give up on it because of a perceived lack of readership.

Sometimes I think about grabbing a book nobody has read for a long time, changing the names of people and events, reworking a few scenarios and then selling it. Is that terrible or what? :eek: How could I think of such a thing, and then what if nobody realized and started buying it? Then I'd be a truly lowdown rotten scumbag with lots of money, wouldn't I? I'd be worse than Disney. Before you know it I'd have my own theme park. That would be just awful.
Sherlock Holmes is now in the public domain, so you're now free to publish your own detective stories if you feel so inclined ;)
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I was going to write a very snotty reply, but having breathed for a while, perhaps I can ask a question without being defensive?

I've tried editors and had some bad experiences. One was fond of returning my edited story in the 'marked up' version of Word. At the time, I could not make the corrections and get rid of the marking. Her help for that issue was less than helpful. Eventually I found out that her version of Word was so old that it was not compatible with mine. She's gone now, and was a very nice woman.

Another Editor wanted to take My story in a direction that I did not.

Recently I tried another editor, but they are busy and the turnaround time was a week or more for a short story.

I'm 72 and have decided to take my writing in a direction that I like. My newest story has captured my enthusiasm and it is the type that I could work on all night long, something that I've not done in years.

Pondering...
Well. I am glad it didn't get snotty, but I think you should take heart...writing what you like is almost certain to be liked by many others. The challenge, of course, is finding out how to get your work in front of them. And I am sorry that I can't be of any help there.

My lover once asked me to edit something that he had written. I am very happy to say that I resisted that (thus keeping our relationship alive a while longer). On the other hand, he didn't think it was very good writing, but I thought that he did a terrific job, and told him so. It was a short story contrasting two of his regular customers in a restaurant where he worked thirty years ago, but he did it beautifully.

Keep writing!
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
@Ellen Brown This may be a bit off subject, but I write poetry and articles. I go to this site HubPages and semi-publish (don't get paid) articles. They have connecting networks depending on your interest and genre. It takes awhile; but, I read it's worth the patience. If you do decide you want to get paid, you can sign up towards making your work knowing to linking organizations. It's like, I can't think of the word, google-ad. Where you get money from the number of people who read your article type of thing.

Maybe something to do on your free time in between what you're doing now?

Thank you. It is pretty easy to publish on Amazon, but I think they take about 80%. Honestly, I just haven't been motivated to try that.
 
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