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Christianity & Islam the Yin & Yang Affect in the Maya
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Firemorphic
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Why Islam specifically?
Moses, Jesus and Muhammad taught the same essential message: Oneness of The Ultimate Reality (aka "God") and transitory illusion of this world.
It's more like Christianity (not Jesus himself) being at odds with the Tanakh first off and Islam secondarily.
Interestingly: on another topic though, I have previously on this forum described the Abrahamic and Dharmic religions as a yin/yang relation to the same thing. Both Dharmic and Abrahamic religions, in their origins are both to bring the soul/atman out of the maya of this world and into realization of gnosis of the greater reality.
One of those traditions comes from an objective stance, the other from a deliberately subjective stance.
Moses, Jesus and Muhammad taught the same essential message: Oneness of The Ultimate Reality (aka "God") and transitory illusion of this world.
It's more like Christianity (not Jesus himself) being at odds with the Tanakh first off and Islam secondarily.
Interestingly: on another topic though, I have previously on this forum described the Abrahamic and Dharmic religions as a yin/yang relation to the same thing. Both Dharmic and Abrahamic religions, in their origins are both to bring the soul/atman out of the maya of this world and into realization of gnosis of the greater reality.
One of those traditions comes from an objective stance, the other from a deliberately subjective stance.
Because of the dichotomy... Yeshua's teachings are what we find in the Synoptic Gospels, and Christianity is what came after from John, Paul and Simon the stone's Pharisaic review...
Islam is also a Judaic review of what they perceive Yeshua was fulfilling.
Neither match the Tanakh's prophecy, because they've been heavily influence by the blinded ideas of Rabbinic Judaism.
Moses taught Yeshua was the Lord of Israel (Exodus 15:2, Deuteronomy 32:15); Muhammad follows Rabbinic ideas that deny Yeshua was their Lord, whilst correcting the understanding of the God Most High.
In my opinion.
Firemorphic
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Start with the Gospel of Mark and compare with the others, you'd be shocked. I'm not going to make up your mind though.
Jesus was no messiah.
Rubbish. Islam is, in it's own perspective, a restoration of the monotheism of Abraham. Jesus becomes just another of the line of prophets.
If you think this, then why have you made this thread?
your replies here seem to have nothing to do with what I commented above.
I hope your not talking about the "Jesus" Yeshua but are actually talking about the "Joshua" Yeshua, cause else you're in hot water there.
No he doesn't, this is a factless assertion. All you can historically say here, is that what was revealed to him, agrees with the notion that Isa/Jesus wasn't an incarnation of God. Rabbis don't agree that Isa/Jesus was a prophet
The Qur'anic revelation denies that Isa/Jesus was an incarnation of God, it considers it an abomination and idolatrous perversion of the Oneness of God. Plain and simple.
(it doesn't deny that Christians are "people of the book" though, as you may know)
Literally no other person can be the Messiah based on the prophetic timeline... Daniel 9:26, and Zechariah 11 is prior to the diaspora, and 2nd temple destruction.
Abraham accepted the Divine Council, and though it is mentioned in the Quran, it instead follows a Jewish understanding since the Babylonian Exile; not what theology actually exists in Heaven or in the Tanakh.
In other words YHVH Elohim is a Divine Being, and head of the Divine Council; El Elyon is the God Most High...
Judaism made YHVH into God (EL), and Islam makes the Most High into God (El); yet both miss the Divine Council (Elohim).
The thread is to question certain perspectives on what is really going on; so the idea that Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Rabbinic Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Baha'i, have all been deceived down near Hell is prophesied...
This is just showing it in one line of texts before the Tribulation; if that doesn't match where you're coming from, then question why.
Moses is referring to the Salvation (H3444) of God; the idea you just changed that to a name, means you're in freezing cold water, as you're miles off.
H3444 (Yeshua) + H1961 (To become) = Exodus 15:2-3, Psalms 118:14-21, Isaiah 12:2 (2 Samuel 10:11 David Vs Ammon) +5 Verses Isaiah
H3444 (Yeshua) + H7200 (To see) = Exodus 14:13, Psalms 98:3, Isaiah 52:10 (2 Chronicles 20:17 Jehoshaphat Vs Ammon)
There is a cryptic message explaining the Lord will become our Salvation, and the Chief Corner Stone to test mankind.
The Quran literally paraphrases the Talmud:
5:32 Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
“Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world.” Mishnah Sanhedrin 4:5; Yerushalmi Talmud 4:9, Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin 37a.
Both of them Rabbinic assertions are dumb, when all data is taken into account:agrees with the notion that Isa/Jesus wasn't an incarnation of God. Rabbis don't agree that Isa/Jesus was a prophet
That Yeshua Elohim is EL, is because they don't understand EL is not like Elohim (Isaiah 46:9), and that EL Elyon is above YHVH Elohim (Deuteronomy 32:7-9).
Yeshua Elohim is not a prophet; yet the flesh of David with the Spirit of the Lord upon him, like Isaiah 52:10-15 & Psalms 89:19-21 tells us.
The Quran has a point, Yeshua Elohim is a Divine representative, like Krishna says the same, and both told us to worship the Source of reality, not them in some form.
The Tanakh forewarned all this about idolizing Yeshua; yet due to Rabbinic Judaism going backwards from the facts, it is now this dichotomy.
In my opinion.
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