My question to Trump Supporters

ADigitalArtist · Feb 4, 2019

2ndpillar said:
Well there is National Socialism, such as Hitler's version, much like our Democratic Party, and there is the Lenin socialism, such as Stalin's Communism, and there is the Cuban type socialism/Communism, and there is the Venezualan type of Socialism, and then there is Bernie, who calls himself a socialist. Basically it was the pot of Mao, where everyone is supposed to get a pot of rice, and everyone is poor and getting poorer, except for the bureaucrats, who continually get richer. Mao and Stalin, starved 10s of million of people to death under that system.

National Socialism, more commonly known as Nazism, is the ideology and practices associated with the Nazi Party – officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party – in Nazi Germany, and of other far-right groups with similar aims. Nazism is a form of fascism and showed that ideology's disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system, but also incorporated fervent antisemitism, scientific racism, and eugenics into its creed. Its extreme nationalism came from Pan...

National socialism was a name, not an actual socialist government. Unless you also think North Korea is a "Democratic People's Republic."

Bernie is a democratic socialist, as are large swaths of Europe including Scandanavia. And they're doing just fine.

2ndpillar · Feb 4, 2019

ADigitalArtist said:
National socialism was a name, not an actual socialist government. Unless you also think North Korea is a "Democratic People's Republic."

Bernie is a democratic socialist, as are large swaths of Europe including Scandanavia. And they're doing just fine.

Socialist democracies, such as Zimbabwe, simply take from the white and give to the blacks, a perfect example of racism, combined with murder and theft, which left the country poor and hungry. Venezuala's Maduro is also a member of the "United Socialist Party of Venezuela", as he was elected by the people as a socialist. As for Europe, it is in a mess. As for Scandinavia, they have multiple parties. The U.S. on the other hand is not a democracy, but a Republic. As for North Korea, that is the land of George Orwell's 1984. They use "double speak", much the same way as the Democrats and their followers in the U.S.. As for the politics of North Korea, they are a communist country. According to Lenin, the path to communism is through socialism. That would be fine if it could be limited to California and the East coast, which are likely to slip into the ocean, or be inundated, but it is like a disease, and spreads.

The main political actors in the Scandinavian democracies (Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden) are organized around three poles: labor (social democratic parties), capital (conservative parties), rural periphery and urban center (agrarian parties = center parties) (Rokkan 1987, 81-95). View of The Enduring Scandinavian Party System | Scandinavian Political Studies

Zimbabwe's “Socialism” ... The Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU), one of two socialist-oriented national liberation movements, won the country's first elections. ZANU has won every election since 1980, becoming the dominant political body in Zimbabwe. And socialism was the professed goal of ZANU

Kenny · Feb 4, 2019

Epic Beard Man said:
My point is we don't know their potential if they were never elected.

true

2ndpillar · Feb 5, 2019

Kangaroo Feathers said:
Venezuela's going to be the next engineered jingoistic war. For a long time they've been trying to make it Iran, but other situations keep coming up that make Iran impractical. Now that it's confirmed Venezuela sits atop the petroleum reserves larger than those in the Middle East, (confirmation that only occured relatively recently) you can expect the axis of American geopolitical interest to shift, but it's a bit like turning a large ship. After 50 years of making out like the Middle East is of any interest or relevance to the US for reasons other than oil, you can't just instantly change directions. It's going to take a while for the nationalist chicken-hawk idiots to be gently redirected from an intense and visceral hate of Muslims expressed through a desperate desire to attack Iran into some new paradigm that has them forgetting Iran and screaming their demands to attack Venezuela. You can't rush these things.

Under Trump, the U.S. is an energy exporter, and does not need the Venezuelan oil or troubles, including the Russians basing bombers out of Venezuela.

Kangaroo Feathers · Feb 5, 2019

2ndpillar said:
Under Trump, the U.S. is an energy exporter, and does not need the Venezuelan oil or troubles, including the Russians basing bombers out of Venezuela.

Great. So why is Bolton talking about attacking Venezuela to secure their oil? Hmmm? I look forward to seeing you goalpost shift or "butwhatabout" your way out of that.

wellwisher · Feb 5, 2019

Epic Beard Man said:
I want to ask Trump supporters an honest quest and of course we can debate the particulars if you wish. Now before I ask this question I want to lead off by saying that when I vote national or local I like to do background research on any politician I am voting for.

I liked Trump because he was an outsider, like the majority of the American people in 2016. The majority pf citizens of the USA, in 2016, were mostly outsiders compared to the self server insiders in Washington; elected officials and lobbyists from both sides.

For example, before ObamaCare was written into law, a survey showed that 65% of the American people did not want government control over their healthcare. Since the people did not count, the insiders ignored the will of the people, forced this down our throats. This was one example of a pattern where the citizens were not consulted. Trump was an outsider, who was funding his own campaign. He was the best hope of someone who would fight for the outsider majority. Hillary was an insider.

The other thing was connected to Wikileaks. These leaks showed a pattern of behavior and corruption by Hillary and the DNC, that included railroading Bernie Sanders. This pattern of behavior gave some insight into how the insiders were now even rigging the election system; super delegate to stab Bernie in the back. Even Bernie went quiet after he got his summer home; he was Insider.

After Wikileaks was released, the DNC never denied anything, but made the "leak" the big issue. The leak was analogous to an investigative report of corruption, yet the corruption of Hillary and DNC was made secondary to the leak, as a way to cover up the crime. This was example of a dual justice system, set up by the insiders. It also showed me that the mainstream media was ignoring its job, putting journalism second to damage control and spin. The swamp became bigger to me and now included the media. Corey's pardon of Hillary, for erasing evidence, was the straw that broke the camels back. There should have been a fair trial and not a pardon. This showed the FBI and Justice Departments were part of the insider corruption. The America people were in trouble, and most did not even know this.

After seeing all this corruption being pardoned and spun by media; propaganda wing, and how the insiders were above the law, and would not listen to the American people, I assumed all the changes to the country, that had been made by the swamp, were for the sake of the insiders, not the America people. Trump said he would reverse these things and made America greta again which meant power back to the people.

Trump was not perfect. He had been one of the rich beautiful people on all the A-list parties for years, so he had baggage. But he was older now, and but he was the best hope for taking power way from the corrupt swamp and insiders. In his acceptance speech he took on the swamp, instead of become part of its. The swamp has been creating intrigue, fighting for their criminal livelihoods. Trump is still standing. and was therefore the proper campion of the people, even if many do not yet see it.

Kangaroo Feathers · Feb 5, 2019

*eyeroll* supporting Trump for his stance on corruption is like supporting Stalin for his stance on human rights.

esmith · Feb 5, 2019

Kangaroo Feathers said:
Great. So why is Bolton talking about attacking Venezuela to secure their oil? Hmmm? I look forward to seeing you goalpost shift or "butwhatabout" your way out of that.

And where did you get the idea that Bolton is talking about seizing their oil? Source please.

2ndpillar · Feb 5, 2019

Kangaroo Feathers said:
Great. So why is Bolton talking about attacking Venezuela to secure their oil? Hmmm? I look forward to seeing you goalpost shift or "butwhatabout" your way out of that.

Ask Bolton. We have excess oil production, and don't need their oil, even though they nationalized foreign oil companies, which may have left a bad taste for the original owners.. Bolton expressed possible sanctions on Venezuelan oil to protect U.S. diplomats, and opposition leader Juan Guaidó. As with most Progressive Democrats, you can't help but turn a small situation into a calamity (Democrat opportunity) via a few twist of words.

John Bolton On Venezuela: ‘All Options Are On The Table’ | NBC News

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President Donald Trump is leaving open the possibility of a U.S. military intervention to protect opposition leader Juan Guaidó, members of the nation’s assembly and American diplomatic personnel, national security adviser John Bolton said Monday.

2ndpillar · Feb 5, 2019

wellwisher said:
I liked Trump because he was an outsider, like the majority of the American people in 2016. The majority pf citizens of the USA, in 2016, were mostly outsiders compared to the self server insiders in Washington; elected officials and lobbyists from both sides.

For example, before ObamaCare was written into law, a survey showed that 65% of the American people did not want government control over their healthcare. Since the people did not count, the insiders ignored the will of the people, forced this down our throats. This was one example of a pattern where the citizens were not consulted. Trump was an outsider, who was funding his own campaign. He was the best hope of someone who would fight for the outsider majority. Hillary was an insider.

The other thing was connected to Wikileaks. These leaks showed a pattern of behavior and corruption by Hillary and the DNC, that included railroading Bernie Sanders. This pattern of behavior gave some insight into how the insiders were now even rigging the election system; super delegate to stab Bernie in the back. Even Bernie went quiet after he got his summer home; he was Insider.

After Wikileaks was released, the DNC never denied anything, but made the "leak" the big issue. The leak was analogous to an investigative report of corruption, yet the corruption of Hillary and DNC was made secondary to the leak, as a way to cover up the crime. This was example of a dual justice system, set up by the insiders. It also showed me that the mainstream media was ignoring its job, putting journalism second to damage control and spin. The swamp became bigger to me and now included the media. Corey's pardon of Hillary, for erasing evidence, was the straw that broke the camels back. There should have been a fair trial and not a pardon. This showed the FBI and Justice Departments were part of the insider corruption. The America people were in trouble, and most did not even know this.

After seeing all this corruption being pardoned and spun by media; propaganda wing, and how the insiders were above the law, and would not listen to the American people, I assumed all the changes to the country, that had been made by the swamp, were for the sake of the insiders, not the America people. Trump said he would reverse these things and made America greta again which meant power back to the people.

Trump was not perfect. He had been one of the rich beautiful people on all the A-list parties for years, so he had baggage. But he was older now, and but he was the best hope for taking power way from the corrupt swamp and insiders. In his acceptance speech he took on the swamp, instead of become part of its. The swamp has been creating intrigue, fighting for their criminal livelihoods. Trump is still standing. and was therefore the proper campion of the people, even if many do not yet see it.

Well written, but Trump not only has to clean up the swamp, the media, but his own party. Hopefully the Democrats will shoot themselves in the foot enough times that they will bleed to death. Their judgments will come upon their own heads. Trump is still standing and his detracters are dying by their own friendly fire. That is why the reference to Jehu, a man chosen by God, to get rid of Ahab/Osamal and Jezebel/Hillary is so to the point.

2ndpillar · Feb 5, 2019

Kangaroo Feathers said:
*eyeroll* supporting Trump for his stance on corruption is like supporting Stalin for his stance on human rights.

Keep in mind, Stalin/Obama, the communist, followed Lenin/Bernie, the socialist, in the original play book. Now the last shall be first, and the first shall be last. Obama preceded Bernie in the groping to the top, such as the last shall be first (Matthew 20:16). But the moral of the story is that Lenin and Stalin where finally buried. If you don't learn your history, you are doomed to repeat it. Like in the bible story, the followers of Ahab and Jezebel, didn't fare too well. The Lord laughs at the wicked, seeing their day is coming (Psalms 37:13) It is not right for the "wicked" to slander, and make false witness against the "LORDS" chosen (Psalms 37:12). It will not end well for them. (Revelation 9:18) & (Revelation 16:13-19).

Psalm 37: …12The wicked scheme against the righteous and gnash their teeth at them, 13but the Lord laughs, seeing that their day is coming.

Lyndon · Feb 5, 2019

Trump is the swamp!!

columbus · Feb 5, 2019

Epic Beard Man said:
One major difference is that Bernie is actually educated and has a political background and understand policy and constitutional law, Trump doesn’t.

So pretty much you don’t do research got it. I guess PH.D. Is not in your future?

You completely missed the point to my post.

The reality is this. There were three choices available on election day, and they'd been obvious for weeks and months. Trump, Clinton, and "whoever of those two wins". Nobody else was going to win.

Anybody who didn't vote for Clinton voted for Trump, because he won.
Doesn't matter if you were a BernieBros purist who wrote in "Sanders", or just stayed home assuming that Clinton would win.

Trump didn't so much win the election as Clinton lost it. The turnout amongst people who assumed she would be President, and not Trump, was abysmal. From Wisconsin to Florida, from North Carolina to Pennsylvania, the unfortunate fact is that people who wanted her (rather than another rich old white Christian male liar) didn't vote for her. So we have President Trump. Unfortunately, liberals and Democrats are generally low turnout demographics. Such as young people, black people, queer people, and socialist people. Lots of us. But, as groups, we don't vote. Not the way evangelicals and the fiscally insane do.

If you didn't vote for Clinton you voted for Trump.
Tom

Shad · Feb 5, 2019

ADigitalArtist said:
Bernie is a democratic socialist, as are large swaths of Europe including Scandanavia. And they're doing just fine.

Those are social democracies. Get your term straight as those are very different.

Revoltingest · Feb 5, 2019

columbus said:
You completely missed the point to my post.

The reality is this. There were three choices available on election day, and they'd been obvious for weeks and months. Trump, Clinton, and "whoever of those two wins". Nobody else was going to win.

Anybody who didn't vote for Clinton voted for Trump, because he won.
Doesn't matter if you were a BernieBros purist who wrote in "Sanders", or just stayed home assuming that Clinton would win.

Trump didn't so much win the election as Clinton lost it. The turnout amongst people who assumed she would be President, and not Trump, was abysmal. From Wisconsin to Florida, from North Carolina to Pennsylvania, the unfortunate fact is that people who wanted her (rather than another rich old white Christian male liar) didn't vote for her. So we have President Trump. Unfortunately, liberals and Democrats are generally low turnout demographics. Such as young people, black people, queer people, and socialist people. Lots of us. But, as groups, we don't vote. Not the way evangelicals and the fiscally insane do.

If you didn't vote for Clinton you voted for Trump.
Tom

For one with no PhD in his future, you
shouldn't be schooling him in political reality.

Btw, I find the desire to put letters after one's
name to be grasping...ostentatious...hollow.

columbus · Feb 5, 2019

Revoltingest said:
For one with no PhD in his future, you
shouldn't be schooling him in political reality.

I am also white.
Everyone knows that only black people can understand modern USA culture and politics.
Tom

Kangaroo Feathers · Feb 5, 2019

2ndpillar said:
Keep in mind, Stalin/Obama, the communist, followed Lenin/Bernie, the socialist, in the original play book. Now the last shall be first, and the first shall be last. Obama preceded Bernie in the groping to the top, such as the last shall be first (Matthew 20:16). But the moral of the story is that Lenin and Stalin where finally buried. If you don't learn your history, you are doomed to repeat it. Like in the bible story, the followers of Ahab and Jezebel, didn't fare too well. The Lord laughs at the wicked, seeing their day is coming (Psalms 37:13) It is not right for the "wicked" to slander, and make false witness against the "LORDS" chosen (Psalms 37:12). It will not end well for them. (Revelation 9:18) & (Revelation 16:13-19).

Psalm 37: …12The wicked scheme against the righteous and gnash their teeth at them, 13but the Lord laughs, seeing that their day is coming.

Keep in mind none of your desperate whataboutisms or random Bible verses make Trump any less corrupt.

Kangaroo Feathers · Feb 5, 2019

esmith said:
And where did you get the idea that Bolton is talking about seizing their oil? Source please.

2ndpillar said:
Ask Bolton. We have excess oil production, and don't need their oil, even though they nationalized foreign oil companies, which may have left a bad taste for the original owners.. Bolton expressed possible sanctions on Venezuelan oil to protect U.S. diplomats, and opposition leader Juan Guaidó. As with most Progressive Democrats, you can't help but turn a small situation into a calamity (Democrat opportunity) via a few twist of words.

John Bolton On Venezuela: ‘All Options Are On The Table’ | NBC News

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I know what Bolton said. I don't need to ask him anything. I'm asking YOU why what YOU said so thoroughly contradicts what Bolton says Trump's policy is?

Kangaroo Feathers · Feb 5, 2019

esmith said:
And where did you get the idea that Bolton is talking about seizing their oil? Source please.

I didn't say Bolton said anything about "seizing" oil, he talked about "securing" it, lest you want to play silly semantics to avoid acknowledging what he actually meant. Gosh it would be nice if you Trumpettes would actually familiarise yourselves with the policies of the administration you claim is so great.

TYT Investigates

esmith · Feb 5, 2019

Kangaroo Feathers said:
I didn't say Bolton said anything about "seizing" oil, he talked about "securing" it, lest you want to play silly semantics to avoid acknowledging what he actually meant. Gosh it would be nice if you Trumpettes would actually familiarise yourselves with the policies of the administration you claim is so great.

TYT Investigates

I think you are hearing things that were not said. I watched and listened to the video you linked and at no time did I hear "securing the oil". I heard place sanctions on the state owned oil monopoly, have American oil companies invest and produce the oil for the benefit of the Venezuelan and American people. Again at no time did I hear "secure the oil".
Gosh it would be nice if the anti-Trump crowd would actually listen to what is said vice trying to make up false accusations.
Would you like another link from ABC

maybe you that will convince you.

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