Ceridwen018
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Why is god nothing without faith?
Why is god nothing without faith?
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No*s - you are my kind of Theist. I think that you and SOGFPP embody what I think a good Theist should be - you believe as you do, based on FAITH, not science, which does not address what you believe. I can (and do) respect that. I don't agree, but I do respect it.No*s said:... I think it's a result of the conflict some folks have with evolution. Many Christians live with a pseudo-empiricist worldview and fear its results. If they gave a soul to animals, coupled with the advance of evolutionist theory, I believe there's an innate fear it will undermine the theology of the Image of God, and with that, all of Christianity. ...No, I don't see a lack of empirical evidence as a problem. In fact, I find a Humist-style empiricism (don't believe it unless it's empirically verifiable) problematic, and in many ways, very dangerous. As a result, I tend to get into disputes with any theist who places empiricism too highly as a result .
No*s writes:The only things I'd add, is that I believe animals have a soul, though not like humans, and that they think, have emotions, grieve, and everything else. I've had dogs that, if left, would refuse to eat and starve themselves to death. They are also capable of obeying commands. It seems a a very large stretch to me to deny they don't experience emotions or can't think.
I believe that there isn't really any difference in the souls of animals and people. The only difference that I have noticed is that the soul that chooses the physical incarnation of an animalceredwin018 writes: Also, I agree that if there are souls, animals have them too. We really aren't much different from animals--oftentimes they're smarter than us as it is!
That is the equivalent to saying "I don't drive or own a car, the car drives by itself."May writes: No man does not have a soul ,man is a soul.
carrdero said:I believe that there isn't really any difference in the souls of animals and people. The only difference that I have noticed is that the soul that chooses the physical incarnation of an animal
does so based on choices of experience, the amount of moments it plans to exist in that animal shell and it's purpose. It is our human perception that separates a difference.
mahayana said:I'm surprised no one took on my suggestion that evidence for spirits or a soul could be tested.
mahayana said:First a disclaimer. I neither believe nor disbelieve that souls exist.
I mentioned four categories of claims about the paranormal. The first was past lifes. The claim I've been intrigued with is that some people, under hypnosis, have spoken fluently in old versions of languages that they never knew or studied. Would you agree that, if true, this would be evidence for reincarnation? My scientific test would be to videotape a session like this, have it transcribed and the details verified by impartial experts. At this point, I'm a total skeptic. What would it take to establish the truth here? Is this just a rumor?
HelpMe said:actually may is right.the original meaning for the word soul simply means 'living being'.*points to the last part of post #83*
your parable does not apply.
What May is saying, and May can CORRECT me if I am mistaken, is that when man dies the soul dies with it or that the soul does not exist until the man does. The parable with the car is that a car is a car before a man gets in and drives. A car needs someone to drive it. Once the man dies he does not own that car but the car still exists as a car, the car does not get buried with the owner. The word living means- to be alive-BEing alive mans to exist. A soul (driver) exists before we incarnate into a human shell (car) and exists after the human shell (car) passes away. There is such a thing (whether May chooses to believe it or not) as Spiritual BEings.HelpMe writes: actually may is right.the original meaning for the word soul simply means 'living being'.*points to the last part of post #83*
your parable does not apply.