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"Virginia Senate Passes Bill Allowing Guns in Church (Because God’s Not Enough)"

TheresOnlyNow

TheresOnlyNow

The Mind Is Everything. U R What U Think
Evangelicalhumanist said:
There was a deeper meaning, if you had chosen to look. Taking guns to church...ask yourself how that really works. To worship God, I must be armed? Pfiffle!

But to love another person, I have heard it said, is to see the face of God (Victor Hugo). So love, or any of its variants, must be much closer to religious experience than firearms, meant to kill them.
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Greater love hath no man than to lay down their life for a friend.

Thou shalt not murder.
Many who were massacred in church shootings, unarmed, praising God, when the devil's disciple broke in and opened fire, laid their life down for their friend(s), family, or they died because a gunman made sure they had no other option.

While someone who can be a police officer, out of uniform, but armed, and in service before going on duty, can turn at the sound of trouble and perhaps if fast enough prevent an armed terrorist from committing the most egregious sin against their fellow human being; murder.

Anyone opposed to anyone being able to prevent mass slaughter while in church, thinking it somehow better to be unarmed targets to an armed trespassing lunatic bent on mass homicide, has their priorities out of whack.
It isn't holy to die in church in a hail of bullets. It's headlines as to what happens when people in church believe they shouldn't be able to defend themselves while in church.
We see that as a holy place.
Gunmen do not.
 
shmogie

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Skwim said:
Well, let's see. England and Wales, in which it's almost impossible to get hold of a gun, have murder rate of 1.22 per 100,000 inhabitants, and the United kingdom as a whole has murder rate of 1.20. Whereas the United States, where guns are a dime a dozen, has a murder rate of 5.35 per 100,000 inhabitants, Almost four and a half times that of England and Wales. And strange as it may seem, I don't believe our friends here across the sea are any less well behaved than we are, and, in fact, appear to be considerably more so.

Source for figures: Wikipedia

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8 stubborn facts about gun violence
1. Violent crime has been declining steadily since the 1990's
2. The principle cause of gun deaths are suicides and illegally owned firearms, not mass shootings.
3.A small number of factors significantly increase the chances that one will be a victim of gun related homicide
4. Gun related murders are carried out by a predictable pool of people
6..Higher rates of gun ownership are not related to higher rates of crime
7.Legally owned firearms are used in an exponentially higher rate for legal purposes than they are for crime
8. Concealed carry permit holders do not commit gun crimes at a higher percentage rate than non permit holders.

If the gun violence using illegally obtained firearms from three cities was eliminated ( Chicago, New Your and Los Angeles) The US would have a very low rate of gun violence compared to the rest of the world.

Legally owned firearms are involved in a very low percentage of gun crimes, yet every proposed effort at "gun control" is specifically aimed at the legal owners of firearms.

Britain is an apple and the US is an orange. Britain is an Island, it has no long border with another nation where illegal firearms are smuggled across that border by the ton.
 
Luciferi Baphomet

Luciferi Baphomet

Lucifer, is my Liberator
Skwim said:
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The Virginia State Senate passed a bill this week allowing citizens to bring their guns to church.

Because when it’s their lives on the line, thoughts and prayers suddenly seem useless. So does trusting God, apparently.

The bill passed on a strict party-line vote, 21-19.

Before the vote, the Senate engaged in an extended debate. Republicans argued that individual churches should decide if they want guns in their pews, while Democrats warned that worshippers could wind up victimized with their own guns. Then came a spin-off debate over [the claim] claim that worshipping while armed belies a lack of faith.

“We … foolishly took prayer out of schools … and now we want to take God out of church,” [Democratic Sen. Lionell] Spruill said. “If there’s anywhere you can trust God, it should be the church. Let’s depend on God on this one. Let’s not take God out of church.”
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Quote hilarious since the christ followers believe that "jesus will protect them".
 
youknowme

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
I think the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" has a conflicting focus with the idea of arming yourself with guns to go to Church.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
shmogie said:
Yes, illogical emotion, and ignorance, on the part of the anti firearms ownership crowd.
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Ya know the old saying...
Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
I've read the worst assumptions, the poorest reasoning, & the vilest
personal attacks from the gun control side. So because each side
has the same vulnerability, it falls flat for a pot to call a kettle black.
 
TheresOnlyNow

TheresOnlyNow

The Mind Is Everything. U R What U Think
youknowme said:
I think the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" has a conflicting focus with the idea of arming yourself with guns to go to Church.
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Actually, the commandment, the sixth commandment, reads as thou shalt not murder. Bible List Of The Ten Commandments

Someone who breaks into a church service firing on worshipers is committing murder. Killing them in defense of others is not murder.
And why would any reasonable person be against defending a church full of worshipers from an armed, be it gun(s), knives, homicidal maniac?
 
youknowme

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
TheresOnlyNow said:
Actually, the commandment, the sixth commandment, reads as thou shalt not murder. Bible List Of The Ten Commandments

Someone who breaks into a church service firing on worshipers is committing murder. Killing them in defense of others is not murder.
And why would any reasonable person be against defending a church full of worshipers from an armed, be it gun(s), knives, homicidal maniac?
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You can't fool God with weak arguments of semantics.
 
youknowme

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
shmogie said:
Do you not know the thread you are posting on and the posts previous to mine ?
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Ah I see, you have no clue what a fact is.

First you need to post the studies where you get your information, I don't know you and I don't trust you, and secondly statistics are not facts.
 
TheresOnlyNow

TheresOnlyNow

The Mind Is Everything. U R What U Think
youknowme said:
You can't fool God with weak arguments of semantics.
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Only a fool would imagine God could be fooled at all.


You will answer to God with weak arguments that intend to communicate Christians should accept their fate in church when a psycho breaks in intending to kill them. And because it is best to be unarmed and appear as a dead sheep , than armed surviving a pro-gun wolf who was anti-Christian and anti-life.
 
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