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The creator did it.

shunyadragon

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
A REAL CHRISTIAN said:
Bible never mentions no neptune dont know where he got that. The water is still here. Google "if the earth were a perfect sphere how deep would the ocean be?" There is enough water for a global flood and ancient civilizations around the world have stories about it.
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You have made these false claims before and I will call you out every time you post this foolishness. The local and regional floods associated with other ancient cultres have been documented as catastrophic river floods, and tsunamis by archaeological, geological, and records of the ancient cultures. There are other local and regional floods that are documented as associated by glacial floods, and not recorded by ancient cultures.
 
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A REAL CHRISTIAN

Member
shunyadragon said:
You have made these false claims before and I will call you out every time you post this foolishness. The local and regional floods associated with other ancient cultres have been documented as catastrophic river floods, and tsunamis by archaeological, geological, and records of the ancient cultures. There are other local and regional floods that are documented as associated by glacial floods, and not recorded by ancient cultures.
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Ive never mentioned a flood befoe. So many local catastrophes hmmm....
 
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A REAL CHRISTIAN

Member
shunyadragon said:
You have made these false claims before and I will call you out every time you post this foolishness. The local and regional floods associated with other ancient cultres have been documented as catastrophic river floods, and tsunamis by archaeological, geological, and records of the ancient cultures. There are other local and regional floods that are documented as associated by glacial floods, and not recorded by ancient cultures.
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Even with local disasters that doesnt mesn there wasnt a large one before
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
A REAL CHRISTIAN said:
Faith is the belief on things NOT SEEN. this is different from total blind faith. Hebrews 11:1. Skeptics love misunderstanding that verse.
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Perhaps you should learn the definition before making even more unsubstantiated claims

Faith : strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
 
SalixIncendium

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
Staff member
Premium Member
A REAL CHRISTIAN said:
I never used those words.
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You're absolutely correct. You didn't use those words. You used the idea behind spontaneous generation in your OP to mislead anyone reading this thread.

Science has already offered that spontaneous generation is obsolete. However, abiogenesis is the prevailing scientific hypothesis that replaces that idea and posits that life can arise from nonliving matter.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
A REAL CHRISTIAN said:
Bible never mentions no neptune dont know where he got that. The water is still here. Google "if the earth were a perfect sphere how deep would the ocean be?" There is enough water for a global flood and ancient civilazations around the world have stories about it.
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So what? We know when the mountains etc. formed. Your make believe flood never happened either.
 
osgart

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Faith is confidence towards something. It could be a known or unknown.

And i think only part of reality fits our intuitions, and most of reality is beyond human knowledge and intuition. But who knows?

Humans are storytellers. In a hundred years the stories will change.

People talk as though logic and observation are foolproof, and every ultimate answer is knowable and i highly doubt that is the case.

Some scientists say spacetime is doomed. Perhaps according to mathematics or something.

Is math reality? Or is it a purely human construct?

I really dont put faith into science nor religion in the area of absolute definitive explanation of reality. But its fun to try.
 
exchemist

exchemist

Veteran Member
A REAL CHRISTIAN said:
That article literally starts off repeating my claim then tries to put forth A THEORY of how it could have happened. What you cant find a video or demonstration showing one of these theories actually working?
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Of course not, because we don't have a theory of the origin of life, yet. All we have are pieces of the jigsaw - though more and more of them every day. It remains one of the most difficult and interesting problems in modern science.
 
FlyingTeaPot

FlyingTeaPot

Irrational Rationalist. Educated Fool.
A REAL CHRISTIAN said:
Since science/observation has repeatedly shown that something does not come from nothing and life does not come from nonliving things can you blame someone for concluding that there is some sort if creator even if you dont believe that? Once this door is open why couldnt someone simply believe " my creator did it"? So what if someone is not interested in the exact processes used.
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And where did the creator come from? Since, you know, science/observation has repeatedly shown that something does not come from nothing and life does not come from nonliving things.
 
HonestJoe

HonestJoe

Well-Known Member
A REAL CHRISTIAN said:
Since science/observation has repeatedly shown that something does not come from nothing and life does not come from nonliving things can you blame someone for concluding that there is some sort if creator even if you dont believe that? Once this door is open why couldnt someone simply believe " my creator did it"? So what if someone is not interested in the exact processes used.
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It looks like the practical issues with your assumptions are being addressed but we can ignore that and address your question on a purely logical basis.

The problem with concluding that there is some form of creator is that it doesn’t solve your proposed problem. A creator is still “something” and so can’t come from nothing by your stated assumption. The only way to resolve the problem you present is either; There was at least one initial thing which is an exception to the rule and “came from nothing” or there was at least one initial thing which always existed (though it doesn’t need to still exist).

Note that were can’t definitively say anything specific about what that initial thing/things might be on this logical basis, including concluding that it is a singular sentient creator being. The only thing we can state is that one or the other would have to exist/have existed (unless any of our assumptions are wrong). None of this gets you any closer to rationalising belief in some kind of creator and most certainly not belief in any specifically defined god or gods. It’s never going to be anything more than a thought experiment (not that there is anything wrong with that). :cool:
 
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