Jollybear
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Ok, so if im God, according to you, then wouldent that mean i have authority to define myself?
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Ok, so if im God, according to you, then wouldent that mean i have authority to define myself?
yesOk, so if im God, according to you, then wouldent that mean i have authority to define myself?
John 10:33-John 10:36 KJV The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Design is a human attribute, and God is not an engineer that designs, God is a Creator that Creates. God exists beyond Biblical tradition and beyond human philosophical thought nor human logic,
I do not care for intelligence, because it is often misused, and reality it is a human attribute like consciousness. I believe God is, and not He is. Infinite, eternal, loving and just are attributes of God and not God. Too much here from one human cultural perspective.
Jollybear
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Ok, you said yes. So yes i can define God. But earlyer you said if i define God i then seperate myself from God.
Jollybear
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If God creates the world, isnt he then also designing the world?
Well yes, God exists period. But logic, philosophy, biblical tradition and intuition are all just tools to help understand God to some extent.
What do you mean by misused?
What do you mean by God is and not is?
Explain more, im a bit lost?
i agreed that you can define yourself, it's your life but then you break the golden rule; when you try to define otherness.
god isn't male vs female. god is male/female in the image he created "them".
Jollybear
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But you said im God, so cant God define himself?
you can form any attachments you like but just as you add dress to yourself, you will have to be stripped of upon giving up this incarnation. the only thing you get to leave with, is your consciousness(mind = spirit = ruwach).
love is the whole of the law, the way of bliss.nirvana.
one love has created all that is as self. isha upanishad
No,designing things is a human attribute, and God is a Creator, and need not design anything.
Too some extent?!?!?!
Biblical tradition is too narrow of a cultural context for a 'Source' some call God that is beyond any one religious tradition. Intuition is subject to circular logic, where each believer of each religion and culture describes what they believe is their own God.
As in the bogus science of Intelligent Design.
Humans cannot define what God is nor not is. God is always greater than any description humans could come up with.
Infinite, eternal, loving and just are attributes of God and not God. Too much here from one human cultural perspective. What I believe is the apophatic view of God, where God cannot be describe in terms of one's own religion and scriptural perspective.
The different religions. like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, give only a description of God from their cultural/scriptural perspective, and they do not agree, though Judaism and Islam are closest.[/QUOTE]
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Jollybear
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Whats the difference between creating and designing? The creation IS designed. Look at our bodies.
So all religions put together get the correct definition of God?
Bogus? Id have to disagree there. I think intelligent design is a good science due to the fact we see design in the world.
To know God is greater then our descriptions, doesent that mean youd know God then?
Whats your definition of God then?
MonkeyFire
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I'm omnipresent inside with peace of mind.
This is a spin off of the boggus claims of Intelligent Design, Again God need not design anything he Creates everything.
No where in the Bible does it say nor describe God designed anything.
No. Religions can describe the attributes of God such as love and justice, but love and justice does not define God.
I am a scientist with over 50 years study and experience in science. None of the scientist of the Discovery Institute that believe in Intelligent Design have ever been able to propose and falsify a theory nor hypothesis that supports Intelligent Design, Specified Complexity, nor Irreducible Complexity. They are theological/philosophical claims and assertions that cannot be confirmed by science.
No, it would mean we cannot know and describe God from the human perspective. The nature and the existence of God is beyond any human description.
God exists and cannot be limited by any human description of God from any one religion or perspective of a belief system
Another good definition is God is a three letter world. .
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Jollybear
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Ok....so tell me the difference between creating and designing?
It does. Romans 1:20 "For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse."
Hebrews 3:4 "(For every house is built by someone, but the builder of all things is God.)"
Isaiah 24:24 "Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself,"
Job 10:9-12 "Remember that you have made me like clay; and will you return me to the dust? Did you not pour me out like milk and curdle me like cheese? You clothed me with skin and flesh, and knit me together with bones and sinews. You have granted me life and steadfast love, and your care has preserved my spirit."
Theres more too, but thats a few.
So, there is no design in the world? Our bodies have no design for instance?
And....how do you know we cannot know God?
And....what led you to believe that?
If you need to design something you do not know the end product. If God Creates God knows the product Creation.
From: https://www.google.com/search?q=des....69i57j0l5.14872j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Design - noun 1. a plan or drawing produced to show the look and function or workings of a building, garment, or other object before it is built or made.
Design - verb 1. decide upon the look and functioning of (a building, garment, or other object), by making a detailed drawing of it.
Nothing here says God designs anything. All these quotes describe God as a Creator not a designer. Nothing above indicates God used a designed plan to Create. See definition above.
Still waiting. . .
No design, see definition.
Neither of us 'know' nor anyone else on earth that has ever lived. We believe, we do not 'know.'
Many conflicting ,conflated, and different beliefs in God from the human cultural perspective made no sense for a God that is beyond and greater than everything and any possible human conception of what is.
JohnHermes777
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Here's a quote that I found the most propounding statement about "God"
"And yet, while the "I" is not God, the Absolute, it is infinitely greater than we have imagined it to be before the light dawned upon us. It extends itself far beyond what we had conceived to be its limits. It touches the Universe at all its points, and is in the closest union with all of Life. It is in the closest touch with all that has emanated from the Absolute—all the world of Relativity. And while it faces the Relative Universe, it has its roots in the Absolute, and draws nourishment therefrom, just as does the babe in the womb obtain nourishment from the mother. It is verily a manifestation of God, and God's very essence is in it. Surely this is almost as "high" a statement as the "I Am God" of the teachers just mentioned,—and yet how different" William Walker Atkison, Raja Yoga
"And yet, while the "I" is not God, the Absolute, it is infinitely greater than we have imagined it to be before the light dawned upon us. It extends itself far beyond what we had conceived to be its limits. It touches the Universe at all its points, and is in the closest union with all of Life. It is in the closest touch with all that has emanated from the Absolute—all the world of Relativity. And while it faces the Relative Universe, it has its roots in the Absolute, and draws nourishment therefrom, just as does the babe in the womb obtain nourishment from the mother. It is verily a manifestation of God, and God's very essence is in it. Surely this is almost as "high" a statement as the "I Am God" of the teachers just mentioned,—and yet how different" William Walker Atkison, Raja Yoga
Jollybear
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Even with blueprints you do know the end product before its made.
Also, even in creation blueprints exist, look at DNA.
Also, look at the other definition of design in the source you gave, it does not just refer to the blueprints but the finished product. >
"an arrangement of lines or shapes created to form a pattern or decoration.
"pottery with a lovely blue and white design"
synonyms: pattern, motif, device;
style,arrangement, composition,makeup, layout, constitution,configuration, organization,construction, shape, form,formation, figure
"tableware with a sophisticated black and gold design"
So design is all of it, blueprints and the product.
Psalm 33:11 says God plans "But the plans of the Lord stand firm forever, the purposes of his heart through all generations."
So, why cant God plan the blueprint in his mind and then create from his mind and word?
How do you know no one knows?
Ok, so what if each culture sees a glimps of God, sorta like a puzzle piece, then as we put together all the pieces from all cultures together, we then see the bigger picture of God?
UPCI, perchance?
love can know all things from an array but love doesn't know until the choice is made to the array/matrix.
once the choice is made love is informed with the information.
I think that just as it is impossible to be baptised with fire then water here is symbolical of being willing to change one’s sinful ways, to clean oneself of sins, to be pure and holy. Fire of course to me means the fire of the love of God not material fire.