Would you believe in Shia Islam if its End Time Prophecies Occured?

spirit_of_dawn · Jan 20, 2019

12jtartar said:
“Spirit_of_dawn,
If such a person comes at h end times, I will ignore him, because Jesus is coming to Judge the world. One of the things he will do is destroy any person involved in false religion, Acts 17:31, Jesus will do just as His Father tells him to do, and that is to destroy all who are called gods, and all who follow false gods, Jeremiah 10: 11-6, Psalms 115:1-8, 2Thessalonians 1:6-2, Acts 4:10-12, John 17:1-3. Agape!!!

What if Jesus confirms that person?

spirit_of_dawn · Jan 20, 2019

RedDragon94 said:
That all depends on if Jesus comes back and tries to convert me to Islam. And I want to hear it directly from Jesus' mouth. If that doesn't happen I'll never be a Muslim.

So you will accept if Jesus says so?

spirit_of_dawn · Jan 20, 2019

Ellen Brown said:
I'm most familiar with Evangelical End Time writings, but respect the beliefs of others. After all none of us can absolutely prove a thing until it happens. Most frightening to me is that as we approach the end time, a man is shot in the head but does not die, and he declares himself to be the leader of the world. The things he does are brutal and despicable. The return of Jesus, with or without the Mahdi is something I do not know a lot about. Without the return of the Messiah, all life would be destroyed.

We have no idea when that will happen, but I suspect we are getting perilously close. Praise be to Allah SWT.

That is interesting. Is there really such a Prophecy about someone being shot in the head and not dying then claiming to be the leader of the world?

spirit_of_dawn · Jan 20, 2019

osgart said:
Id say they would have some explaining to do because i would only question them continually about how tragic and horrifying life can be throughout history.

Explaining and answering questions is one of their main duties.

spirit_of_dawn · Jan 20, 2019

Jesus from the Ghetto said:
The greatest forms of evil will appear initially good. There is no way to know fact or fiction. Prophecies tend to be loosely given info that can be applicable to a mass of variety.

So you are implying we have no way of knowing what is good or bad?

spirit_of_dawn · Jan 20, 2019

LuisDantas said:
I can't imagine that I would.

How would I even recognize such a situation?

Let's say you recognized such a situation (using whatever means). How would you act then?

spirit_of_dawn · Jan 20, 2019

Looncall said:
Considering what one sees of Muslims notions of justice, I'd want nothing to do with him.

Not all acts performed by those claiming to be Muslims are the teachings of Islam. The same applies to all other beliefs too.

spirit_of_dawn · Jan 20, 2019

Nowhere Man said:
Peace is nice but I'm not so sure about Justice and what such a thing entails.

How do you define justice?

spirit_of_dawn · Jan 20, 2019

Jumi said:
For one thing, it would be helpful to know what the prophecies are and second, join him and do what? I'm already about as peaceful as you can get and for justice, so regardless of prophecy it sounds good to me to have more of it.

I don't want to go into detail about the Prophecies. But let's just say he performs the impossible (miracles) then claims he has been sent by God. Would you accept his claims, or would you need more proof?

spirit_of_dawn · Jan 20, 2019

SalixIncendium said:
My worldview is based on my experiences. The good thing about that is that it leaves my views flexible. If the Mahdi and Jesus appeared as such, it would be rather silly of me to deny them.

However, I read somewhere that the Mahdi would be coming to rule, so whether or not I "join him" would be dependent on how he rules.

Fair enough. Is there anything that might be enough evidence for you to accept his claims, before you see how he rules? If yes, what?

9-10ths_Penguin · Jan 20, 2019

spirit_of_dawn said:
Let's say the Prophecies meet the 5 mentioned criteria.

"Let's say?" Why can't we say for sure?

... aside from them actually coming true, of course.

You seemed to have prophecies in mind; can't you confirm that they aren't vague and that they aren't things that a person living when they were written couldn't have known?

Would they be enough? If not, what would be the tipping point?

That would be enough for me to say that the prophecies had been fulfilled. It wouldn't be enough to tell me how they had been fulfilled.

RedDragon94 · Jan 20, 2019

spirit_of_dawn said:
So you will accept if Jesus says so?

If the physical Jesus ever said that to me I would tell everyone I know and strongly consider Islam.

However, I don't think he'd say that. In the Bible it says that the resurrection of Jesus proves Jesus to be divine.

LuisDantas · Jan 20, 2019

TheresOnlyNow said:

That video is basically correct, but it leaves a lot of significant information out.

For one, it took a considerable amount of time between the choice of first Caliph and the full development of the Shia/Sunni split. But perhaps the main omission is that the nature of the leadership of Islaam post-Muhammad is perceived in radically different ways between Shia and Sunni, to the point that it isn't always easy for both sects to acknowledge each other as part of Islaam.

LuisDantas · Jan 20, 2019

spirit_of_dawn said:
Let's say you recognized such a situation (using whatever means). How would you act then?

I can't imagine of doing anything in particular.

Why should I care about Abrahamic prophecies at all?

TheresOnlyNow · Jan 20, 2019

spirit_of_dawn said:
Regardless of the claims made in that book, if the Mahdi appears in the manner that I stated in the OP, will you believe?

Of course not.

SalixIncendium · Jan 20, 2019

spirit_of_dawn said:
Fair enough. Is there anything that might be enough evidence for you to accept his claims, before you see how he rules? If yes, what?

There have been many claimants. I would need evidence of an ability to create world peace (sans violence) before I would believe the claimant to be Mahdi.

Vinayaka · Jan 20, 2019

spirit_of_dawn said:
Obviously it is a big if. That is why I chose this seemingly impossible IF. So if this IF occurs, would it be enough proof for you to believe?

I don't even know what such prophecies are, so i have no clue if I'd believe it or not. There are over a hundred Mahdi claimants or prophet claimants that are known, and a few thousand more in asylums. So I guess it would have to be a whole lot more than saying, 'I'm here. I'm here!"

In Sanatana Dharma, the knowledge can never be lost, because it's not external, or in books. It's on the inside of man. Our ancient Vedic sages went inside to find truth, and encouraged others to not listen, but go find out on their own. So modern sages go within and rediscover those same unchangeable truths. So we can't get rid of it. You could kill every dharmic person on the planet, but all it would take to re-emerge is one soul sitting in a cave discovering those same truths. There is no need to share or to make guesses about the future. (Prophecy) Very different paradigms.

TransmutingSoul · Jan 20, 2019

SalixIncendium said:
There have been many claimants. I would need evidence of an ability to create world peace (sans violence) before I would believe the claimant to be Mahdi.

I see it is said that we all have that ability, that peace and unity starts in our own selves. I see It is also up to us to determine what is evidence and what is not by any person making any claim.

Regards Tony

LuisDantas · Jan 20, 2019

Like @Vinayaka above, I sort of don't understand why a prophet would make much of a difference.

Whatever expectations you have in Islaam (or maybe it is more of a Shia thing?) are simply not very natural to me.

Ellen Brown · Jan 20, 2019

spirit_of_dawn said:
That is interesting. Is there really such a Prophecy about someone being shot in the head and not dying then claiming to be the leader of the world?

Yes there is, and it is in the book of Revelation, in the Bible. I will look it up. If you do not hear from me, then remind me, please?

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