End of the world.

SalixIncendium · Jan 19, 2019

Deeje said:
There are ways to deal with disagreements about worldviews. If we are reasonable people, it isn't just about us and what we think.
Offering a counter argument does not have to get ugly.

Now, let me create some word pictures for you about "godlessness" which is about actions, not words.....when you see godless people selling drugs to children, or the deadbeats of society committing senseless acts of violence or killing people for no apparent reason other than that they can (especially in America)......or if you hear of men beating up their wives and kids because they are high on ice or drunk out of their brains....or you see the big corporations of this world continuing to make huge profits by polluting the planet and endangering life itself, despite knowing for decades what their poisons are doing.....does this answer you question?

Do you watch the news? There they are every night....the "godless" who don't give a damn about anyone but themselves.

Would you like salad dressing with that?

These people are all professed atheists? Because my Christian brother-in-law beat up my sister. Does that make him an atheist that doesn't care about anyone but himself? Or a selfish Christian?

And yep, there have been no Christians business owners that have put their faith aside for profit.

Thanks for setting me straight.

URAVIP2ME · Jan 19, 2019

ChristineM said:
There are christians i know who really dont care so much about humanity, they are convinced it does not matter because god is on their side and will save them.

I wonder if it is Christians you really know, or is it 'so-called Christians'__________
Once the first century ended an apostasy set in as forewarned at Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30.
That 'apostate Christianity' calls itself: Christendom.
This explains why Jesus said MANY would come 'in his name' but prove false at Matthew 7:21-23.
So, it is No wonder that Jesus warned us about how fake 'weed/tares' Christians would grow together with the genuine 'wheat ' Christians until the 'Harvest Time', or the soon coming 'Time of Separating' to take place on Earth as described at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
Genuine 'wheat' Christians do care abut humanity because they follow what Jesus said at John 13:34-35 to have the same self-sacrificing love for humanity as he has.

ChristineM · Jan 19, 2019

URAVIP2ME said:
I wonder if it is Christians you really know, or is it 'so-called Christians'__________
Once the first century ended an apostasy set in as forewarned at Acts 20:29-30.
That 'apostate Christianity' calls itself: Christendom.
This explains why Jesus said MANY would come 'in his name' but prove false at Matthew 7:21-23.
So, it is No wonder that Jesus warned us about how fake 'weed/tares' Christians would grow together with the genuine 'wheat ' Christians until the 'Harvest Time', or the soon coming 'Time of Separating' to take place on Earth as described at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
Genuine 'wheat' Christians do care abut humanity because they follow what Jesus said at John 13:34-35 to have the same self-sacrificing love for humanity as he has.

I wonder whose job it is to decide who is and who isnt christian? Yours perhaps? Maybe they are more christian because they dont judge

What does Matthew 7:1 say about judging others?

SalixIncendium · Jan 19, 2019

URAVIP2ME said:
I wonder if it is Christians you really know, or is it 'so-called Christians'__________

How does one distinguish? Do Christians have "so-called Christians" wear identifying name tags?

Deeje · Jan 19, 2019

ChristineM said:
Its actually growing, for the last few years it is growing faster than islam

That is not what I see. Many countries around the world, dealing with the current humanitarian crisis, are overwhelmed when their own governments are already bankrupt. There have never been so many displaced people! They all need food, water and shelter.

On the contrary its christianity that is waining partly because it just does not have the answers for modern live, partly because the internet provides easy access to information and partly because of the many christian scandals that have hit the news in recent years.

I am well aware of this and it is to be expected because it was foretold...are you surprised?

From the Bible's perspective, actions mean more than words. There is nothing more disgusting to God than religious hypocrisy. People, inside and outside of those so-called Christian churches, see the hypocrisy and are left with two choices......ignore it and cover it up with excuses....or vote with their feet and get out of there.

But where is there to go if one is a believer? The internet is full of the vocal disillusioned ones who either make up their own religion, becoming a useless church of one....or they continue to search for the truth, knowing that if God exists, then he has to be out there somewhere.

I believe that God chooses us as much as we think we choose him. He knows who is genuinely searching or who just want the fringe benefits without putting in much effort.

URAVIP2ME · Jan 19, 2019

SalixIncendium said:
These people are all professed atheists? Because my Christian brother-in-law beat up my sister. Does that make him an atheist that doesn't care about anyone but himself? Or a selfish Christian?
And yep, there have been no Christians business owners that have put their faith aside for profit.
Thanks for setting me straight.

I wonder if your brother-in-law is a Christian as defined at John 13:34-35 of just a Christian in name only.
Beating up one's wife is Not obeying Ephesians 5:25,28-29, so that makes him a fake or so-called Christian.
I also wonder if you would read those verses to your brother-in-law ______ to find out what he thinks of them.

I know a Christian business owner who for many years had a stained-glass business.
Sure she made a profit but it was a modest one. No cut-throat or greedy charges for her customers - Col. 3:5.
So, she is one of many who do Not put aside their faith for prophet, but to support herself and her free service to God.
She is Not alone in being a genuine Christian. The fake 'weed/tares' make it bad for the genuine 'wheat' Christians.

URAVIP2ME · Jan 19, 2019

SalixIncendium said:
How does one distinguish? Do Christians have "so-called Christians" wear identifying name tags?

Jesus said how to distinguish by his words found at John 13:34-35.
Genuine Christians would have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has for you.
Behavior or conduct as Jesus illustrated at Matthew 7:17-20 by their fruits (actions) you will know them.

Deeje · Jan 19, 2019

SalixIncendium said:
These people are all professed atheists? Because my Christian brother-in-law beat up my sister. Does that make him an atheist that doesn't care about anyone but himself? Or a selfish Christian?

And yep, there have been no Christians business owners that have put their faith aside for profit.

Thanks for setting me straight.

You and @ChristineM seem to be missing the point. Godlessness is not just atheism....although it includes them, it is also those who may identify as "religious" but who fail to treat their fellow humans as they would like to be treated themselves. Wearing a label is meaningless to God. He sees what is the motivation of the heart.
He hates it when people associate his name with religious hypocrisy.

All Abrahanic faiths have 'love of neighbor' as part of God's law. Yet all three are responsible for so much of the world's bloodshed.

Nations that professed to be "Christians" dropped atomic bombs on many innocent people in the last World War.....didn't we see them heading in that direction again recently?.....where will I find Jesus advocating anything like that?

Christianity is what you are 24/7...not something you do once a week.

SalixIncendium · Jan 19, 2019

Deeje said:
You and @ChristineM seem to be missing the point. Godlessness is not just atheism....

But I was using your words in my argument...

Deeje said:
But if I was a godless atheist who didn't care about anyone but myself....I'd figure I'd be doing the world a favor by taking us all out, so that whatever process put us all here in the first place might accidentally happen again. I'd hit the button.

URAVIP2ME · Jan 19, 2019

ChristineM said:
I wonder whose job it is to decide who is and who isnt christian? Yours perhaps? Maybe they are more christian because they dont judge
What does Matthew 7:1 say about judging others?

I find there is judging and there is judging.
We are Not to make 'personal judgments' by imputing wrong or bad motives to another.
However, as far as God's judgement on matters, that is written down recorded in Scripture for all to see.
For example: God's judgement on how men should treat their wives is recorded at Ephesians 5:28-31,25.
Even the human judges in ancient Israel were to use God's judgement as to what was right or wrong - Psalms 82

Deeje · Jan 19, 2019

SalixIncendium said:
But I was using your words in my argument...

Clarification is not back peddling. Atheism is not always acknowledged by people who act in godless ways.

Godlessness is atheistic in practice although not always in words.

URAVIP2ME · Jan 19, 2019

SalixIncendium said:
Word salad does not answer original question..

'Salad' makes me think of Christendom because Christendom (apostate Christians) has become a ' toss salad '.
There are 'cafeteria Christians' who pick and choose which parts of Scripture to use or not.
They go back for milk instead of solid food (solid spiritual food). Solid food which belongs to mature people who have discernment to distinguish between what is scripturally right or wrong. It is scripturally wrong to teach for money.
Yet, how many mega-churches promote the almighty $$$$ to their flocks.

74x12 · Jan 19, 2019

ChristineM said:
You are in a plain sealed room, no entrance, no exit, just a switch on a plinth in the middle of the room with a warning label,

END OF THE WORLD SWITCH

WARNING

DO NOT TOUCH

Would you flip the switch or not, and why?

Edit : the room is empty with no food or water.

I'd probably call their bluff.

VoidCat · Jan 19, 2019

ChristineM said:
You are in a plain sealed room, no entrance, no exit, just a switch on a plinth in the middle of the room with a warning label,

END OF THE WORLD SWITCH

WARNING

DO NOT TOUCH

Would you flip the switch or not, and why?

Edit : the room is empty with no food or water.

I would be tempted to and I might.But I might not after all if there is no exit or entrance then something might have put me there and is now testing me...

dfnj · Jan 19, 2019

ChristineM said:
You are in a plain sealed room, no entrance, no exit, just a switch on a plinth in the middle of the room with a warning label,

Would you flip the switch or not, and why?
Edit : the room is empty with no food or water.

Who am I to judge God? I would not touch the switch.

VoidCat · Jan 19, 2019

I don't like the idea of ending the world but this button situation on the other hand is appealing:

Jedster · Jan 19, 2019

ChristineM said:
You are in a plain sealed room, no entrance, no exit, just a switch on a plinth in the middle of the room with a warning label,

END OF THE WORLD SWITCH

WARNING

DO NOT TOUCH

Would you flip the switch or not, and why?

Edit : the room is empty with no food or water.

I would first forensically test that room had no possible exit.
If found true , I would touch the button, mainly because life has taught me not to believe in something just because it is written.

ChristineM · Jan 20, 2019

Deeje said:
That is not what I see. Many countries around the world, dealing with the current humanitarian crisis, are overwhelmed when their own governments are already bankrupt. There have never been so many displaced people! They all need food, water and shelter.

I am well aware of this and it is to be expected because it was foretold...are you surprised?

From the Bible's perspective, actions mean more than words. There is nothing more disgusting to God than religious hypocrisy. People, inside and outside of those so-called Christian churches, see the hypocrisy and are left with two choices......ignore it and cover it up with excuses....or vote with their feet and get out of there.

But where is there to go if one is a believer? The internet is full of the vocal disillusioned ones who either make up their own religion, becoming a useless church of one....or they continue to search for the truth, knowing that if God exists, then it has to be put there somewhere.

I believe that God chooses us as much as we think we choose him. He knows who is genuinely searching or who just want the fringe benefits without putting in much effort.

Methinks you are on your own in what you see, the statistics are quite plain.

Ahh, predictions, how clever that people can make them fit any scenario. I am not surprised you wear predictions that suit you like a well fitting suit.

Perhaps you need to tell that to all the religious hypocrites.

Considering there are around 50,000 sects of Christianity i find it amusing you dis made up religions

I am sure the religious child dying painfully of leukemia chose their god with care. And i see you are forcing your personality onto your god. Think on that for a moment before you thonk about what this thread it about

ChristineM · Jan 20, 2019

Deeje said:
You and @ChristineM seem to be missing the point. Godlessness is not just atheism....although it includes them, it is also those who may identify as "religious" but who fail to treat their fellow humans as they would like to be treated themselves. Wearing a label is meaningless to God. He sees what is the motivation of the heart.
He hates it when people associate his name with religious hypocrisy.

All Abrahanic faiths have 'love of neighbor' as part of God's law. Yet all three are responsible for so much of the world's bloodshed.

Nations that professed to be "Christians" dropped atomic bombs on many innocent people in the last World War.....didn't we see them heading in that direction again recently?.....where will I find Jesus advocating anything like that?

Christianity is what you are 24/7...not something you do once a week.

I rather think it is you missing the point.

ChristineM · Jan 20, 2019

URAVIP2ME said:
I find there is judging and there is judging.
We are Not to make 'personal judgments' by imputing wrong or bad motives to another.
However, as far as God's judgement on matters, that is written down recorded in Scripture for all to see.
For example: God's judgement on how men should treat their wives is recorded at Ephesians 5:28-31,25.
Even the human judges in ancient Israel were to use God's judgement as to what was right or wrong - Psalms 82

Or you find there is cherry picking judgement to suit yourself and ignoring reality.

So why are you making personal judgement of people you dont know?

Ahh judging women, the bible is good at laying down how god judges women making them into 2nd class citizens right from genesis... Want a look i just picked up with a simple internet search
https://www.usnews.com/news/religion/articles/2008/01/25/ten-biblical-teachings-women-love-to-hate

And now Sharia law is gods law and christians and jews reject it out of hand

End of the world.

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