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Why did you leave GOD?

U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Nicely said.

Can I ask, why (I know;)) use conscious rather than life. Doesnt conciousnes mean mind while life is, well, everything? Can they be interchangable?

Unification said:
You do have a personal relationship with "this being." You are "being." You are a human "being" and you are "conscious" and "alive." It's within your own conscious and everyone arounds you's conscious.

Saying "he is real" is the same as saying "life/consciousness" is real.

God is consciousness/life.

In order for God(consciousness/life) to experience, consciousness/life needs a physical body of matter to reside in. You and everything else that's alive.
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U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I agree with you completely.

Unification said:
1. Consciousness/life exists. I exist.

2. "Him" creates delusion and gender. Anyone we have personal relationship with, animal, or human, ourselves.. It's a relationship with consciousness/life.

3. It's not possible to leave consciousness/life.

4. "He" creates delusion and gender. Consciousness/life is sustained. Expectations are delusional and dangerous. When they fail, one blames. Anything that happens to us indirectly or directly is experienced with and through ourselves and through and with others (God-consciousness/life)
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Unification

Unification

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Carlita said:
Nicely said.

Can I ask, why (I know;)) use conscious rather than life. Doesnt conciousnes mean mind while life is, well, everything? Can they be interchangable?
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Here is a good explanation from truthcontest.com

"Plants are non-conscious forms of life. They are like your arm or leg. They are alive, but not conscious. Non-conscious life supports conscious life. You are connected to trees and other plants as certainly as you are connected to your arms and legs. You are also connected to the Earth, the air, and all non-living things, etc., because they make our life possible.

Everything in the universe is as much a part of you as your skin. Some people think human beings are somehow separate from the rest of nature. The truth is, we are just a part of nature. It should be obvious; everything is a part of the whole. Nothing is separate in truth and life. We are interdependent and all part of the same reality."
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I cant find the answer in the link. Basically, you devided life into two parts?
Unification said:
Here is a good explanation from truthcontest.com

"Plants are non-conscious forms of life. They are like your arm or leg. They are alive, but not conscious. Non-conscious life supports conscious life. You are connected to trees and other plants as certainly as you are connected to your arms and legs. You are also connected to the Earth, the air, and all non-living things, etc., because they make our life possible.

Everything in the universe is as much a part of you as your skin. Some people think human beings are somehow separate from the rest of nature. The truth is, we are just a part of nature. It should be obvious; everything is a part of the whole. Nothing is separate in truth and life. We are interdependent and all part of the same reality."
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Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Carlita said:
Did you have a personal relationship with God?
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Yes, I did, until I was 16 years old.
Carlita said:
What did HE do to you that made you leave?
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The problem was he done nothing. I dedicated my life to him, yet there was no end in sight of the torments in my life. I had an absent father, an emotionally abusive mother, I was isolated by living out in the middle of nowhere, isolated because I had no friends, school was very torturous, and when my dog was hit by my school bus driver, god couldn't even let her live. I eventually hit a point where it was hard to accept there was this being who really loved and cared about me when all I knew was pain. I also grew tired of hating myself over having feelings that I should be female, and the raging inner turmoil that was made worse by what I was taught at church.
Carlita said:
What I hear most is: "because I read the bible and see contradictions"
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That too played a part, but I didn't really see them as contradictions until my doubts began to grow. I also discovered that in many ways I had been lied to by the church, I was lied to by the Christian group who developed my home schooling material, and I realized that I was lied to about the world. It wasn't evil or out to get me, and I certainly had never been persecuted for being Christian, even though I was told that was what the world wanted to do. (I actually faced persecution for being Pagan, and even on occasion for being Agnostic; generally around here though anyone who isn't Christian can expect it at some point in time) I also grew weary of the church leaders who were unable to answer the questions I had for them, and there were a lot of them.
My deconversion was actually a difficult and turbulent time in my life. But afterwards the dreams of going to hell came to an end, I began to do better for myself knowing I had to rely on myself because I no longer had a god to ask for help, and I was able to begin to accept myself and work on overcoming my own personal struggles.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
That sounds like pretty rough situations. Im sure many ex christians have similar testimonies. Ive gone through so much mess (pardon my french ;)) in my life, I wasnt even focused on any religion just survival. Ive seen people, adults, have been helped by their God and I seen people fall away from Him because He has not helped. Sometimes I wonder if either party have seen the same God.

With God discussions, Im on a fence. I can see why and how people can fall away and at the same time, I see lives saved by "Him".

Its good looking outside in. However, it gets fustrating when I dont know many outsiders.

Shadow Wolf said:
Yes, I did, until I was 16 years old.

The problem was he done nothing. I dedicated my life to him, yet there was no end in sight of the torments in my life. I had an absent father, an emotionally abusive mother, I was isolated by living out in the middle of nowhere, isolated because I had no friends, school was very torturous, and when my dog was hit by my school bus driver, god couldn't even let her live. I eventually hit a point where it was hard to accept there was this being who really loved and cared about me when all I knew was pain. I also grew tired of hating myself over having feelings that I should be female, and the raging inner turmoil that was made worse by what I was taught at church.

That too played a part, but I didn't really see them as contradictions until my doubts began to grow. I also discovered that in many ways I had been lied to by the church, I was lied to by the Christian group who developed my home schooling material, and I realized that I was lied to about the world. It wasn't evil or out to get me, and I certainly had never been persecuted for being Christian, even though I was told that was what the world wanted to do. (I actually faced persecution for being Pagan, and even on occasion for being Agnostic; generally around here though anyone who isn't Christian can expect it at some point in time) I also grew weary of the church leaders who were unable to answer the questions I had for them, and there were a lot of them.
My deconversion was actually a difficult and turbulent time in my life. But afterwards the dreams of going to hell came to an end, I began to do better for myself knowing I had to rely on myself because I no longer had a god to ask for help, and I was able to begin to accept myself and work on overcoming my own personal struggles.
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Ike221

Ike221

New Member
How long have you been in the tengriist faith and did you convert?

Is their more than one good in tengrism?

How can I begin to practice tengrism?
 
J

JJ50

Well-Known Member
The Christian fundamentalist god concept spoilt my childhood, I was glad to lose my faith by the time I was 19. I was married and left my island home, and moved to the UK. My English husband was also a 'born again' Christian until he went to university and studied science and theology, he became a convinced atheist.
 
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