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What's Wrong With Pornography?

Skwim

Veteran Member
Yes because I've experienced the negative effects as well
Then I feel for your son. And for his sake, here's hoping you don't succeed.

Actually no, in fact sex was never talked about at all.
Which may be part of your problem. :shrug:

Lol better at math, I'd like to see that one...
Yeah, that one's quite a stretch.

if porn and masturbation is so good then why do me and other guys feel horrible after we do it, so horrible in fact that we've joined a website dedicated to stopping it aka NoFap?
Ya got me, I'm no psychiatrist, although I do know you're in a very tiny minority of people. The vast majority of people have come to rational terms with their sexuality, and if not embracing it, at least accept it.

And guess what? On NoFap guys come complaining all the time that they have ED and a whole bunch of other sexual problems... so it clearly doesn't help people with their sexuality... it's destructive.
Are you claiming their "ED and a whole bunch of other sexual problems" are due to watching porn? If so, I don't buy it.

People have had their marriages destroyed because it as well, women come on the site depressed and on the brink of divorce because of their husband's porn and masturbation addiction. Porn has also made guys have a negative view of women too as many also report on the site... so it isn't all that good.
And that's unfortunate, but I don't see their problem with porn outweighing its value. Keep in mind that it isn't only pornography that generates problems in the lives of people. People get caught up in all sorts of unhealthy or destructive behaviors from abusing their interests. I know of a couple who got divorced because the woman could no longer put up with her husband's passion for his model train layout. He even "broke" holes in two of the walls in their home so as to run train tracks between the rooms.

True story.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
if porn and masturbation is so good then why do me and other guys feel horrible after we do it, so horrible in fact that we've joined a website dedicated to stopping it aka NoFap?
It could be that some have a religious opposition to that temptation they succumb to.
In that case, they might want to consider the cromulence of that belief.
Not all religious orientations prohibit the practice.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I keep asking if there's anything like porn in the animal kingdom and I keep getting ignored... yes or no, is there porn or anything similar to it in the animal kingdom?
Probably not. Isn't porn mostly movies or watching/reading live action?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Pornography: printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
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Premium Member
I keep asking if there's anything like porn in the animal kingdom and I keep getting ignored... yes or no, is there porn or anything similar to it in the animal kingdom?

Well, most animals don't have the technology to produce any form of art, let alone porn. Also, most animals don't have sex for pleasure.

So I fail to see the relevance to anything in this question.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The question is: If an animal had a TV would he watch pornography or if an animal could read, would he care to read about it?
 
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Polymath257

Think & Care
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Yes because I've experienced the negative effects as well

Actually no, in fact sex was never talked about at all.

Well, as far as I can see, there is a HUGE part of your problem.

Lol better at math, I'd like to see that one... if porn and masturbation is so good then why do me and other guys feel horrible after we do it, so horrible in fact that we've joined a website dedicated to stopping it aka NoFap?
And guess what? On NoFap guys come complaining all the time that they have ED and a whole bunch of other sexual problems... so it clearly doesn't help people with their sexuality... it's destructive. People have had their marriages destroyed because it as well, women come on the site depressed and on the brink of divorce because of their husband's porn and masturbation addiction. Porn has also made guys have a negative view of women too as many also report on the site... so it isn't all that good.

Anything can be taken to an unhealthy extreme. But that doesn't mean that normal use is bad for you.

Again, addiction or obsession is bad whether it is concerning sex or comic books.

Marriages aren't destroyed by porn. They are destroyed by lack of communication and lack of trust. Refusing to communicate about desires is a HUGE problem in many marriages. And, in a society that portrays sexual desire as dirty or sinful, it isn't surprising that some blame the porn instead the more important lack of communication.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
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Premium Member
I can believe it. No doubt his daughter has been brought up to discern bogus issues from legitimate ones.
As I pointed out in my OP; regarding someone only as an object of one's needs goes on in a lot of situations. My example was how people regard musicians when they perform. They don't see, nor do they expect to see, any other side of them. All they're interested in is the immediate aural pleasure they bring to oneself. The same can be said of anyone else in the preforming arts. The focus is not on the personal aspects of the performer, but on the immediate pleasure they bring. And as I also said: I view the "woman as sexual objects in porn " complaint as a phony holdover from the womens lib movement---something I do support, btw.

Not everyone's life and character need to be understood in order to benefit from their abilities.
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Even feminists have been divided over porn. Paglia, for example, supports porn that is well made and doesn't abuse those involved (any more than any other job, that is). On the other extreme, Dworkin sees all penetrative sex as rape.
 

Jos

Well-Known Member
Probably not. Isn't porn mostly movies or watching/reading live action?
OK, what is the relevance of animals not having the technology to produce porn? Or, for that matter, the biology to have sex for pleasure?

BTW, I am excluding bonobos from this.
So animals don't have sex for pleasure and humans are the only ones that do? I asked whether anything like porn existed in the animal kingdom because I wanted to see if animals were superior to humans... since they don't have it and don't have sex for pleasure it demonstrates that they're more efficient than humans are.
 

savagewind

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So animals don't have sex for pleasure and humans are the only ones that do? I asked whether anything like porn existed in the animal kingdom because I wanted to see if animals were superior to humans... since they don't have it and don't have sex for pleasure it demonstrates that they're more efficient than humans are.
We do not know if they have sex for pleasure, but watch them and you might notice that it might look like sometimes they are pleasuring themselves.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
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Premium Member
So animals don't have sex for pleasure and humans are the only ones that do? I asked whether anything like porn existed in the animal kingdom because I wanted to see if animals were superior to humans... since they don't have it and don't have sex for pleasure it demonstrates that they're more efficient than humans are.

Well, like I said, the bonobos *do* have sex for pleasure.

I'm not sure why efficiency is the primary criterion to be used. Sex helps the formation of emotional bonds between people and that is much more important than reproductive efficiency.
 
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