Wouldn't it be cool if...

Unveiled Artist said:

Science does prove god, though. Just not in the definition and manor in which god is actually defined by both sides. On one side, deities can't be proven by science; and, science isn't the means to prove supernatural beings. On the other side, subjective experiences and personal understandings can't be proven by science because they are personal and no one person's experiences is the same as the other.

Once both sides have the same definition, maybe we could figure out what god is in order to see the OP makes sense according to the definition agreed on.

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Well, if you say science does prove God, then you must already have a clear definition in mind.

If science has proven God, it'll be the first thing science has ever proven.
Why, given this proof, aren't we all in perfect religious accord?

LuisDantas said:

When religion has practical value. it often is because it teaches people to deal with uncertainty by nurturing faith.

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So an uncertain populace would run amoc? So we make up a comforting mythology to tranquilize it?
Religion as opium?

Valjean said:

So an uncertain populace would run amoc? So we make up a comforting mythology to tranquilize it?
Religion as opium?

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There is actually a bit of nuance to it. I am not sure how to measure it, but it seems to me that some people can handle theistic belief as a counter to uncertainty in a fairly healthy way.

More to the point, the skill itself does not have to be reliant on theism, and can be healed from that reliance.

Frank Goad said:

I am talking about proving God in away that would allow us to go one on one with him and no he exists no matter what.

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Only God himself will do that, not science. Science is not capable of proving anything, much less what is beyond its scope. (Jeremiah 16:21)
We have to remember too that science is not an entity. It is a method - a tool in the hands of tiny creatures in a universe so vast, they would appear like nothingness. (Isaiah 40:22)

Valjean said:

It has? I must have missed that momentous discovery.
So all religious disputes are solved? All the planet is now in religious accord?

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Why would all religions disputes need to be solve when an investigation reveals clear evidence God is?
Does it not depend on the one doing the investigation, to accept the clear evidence?
That does not remove the other realities.

nPeace said:

Why would all religions disputes need to be solve when an investigation reveals clear evidence God is?
Does it not depend on the one doing the investigation, to accept the clear evidence?
That does not remove the other realities.

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But there is no clear evidence. if there were we'd all be in accord.

Valjean said:

Well, if you say science does prove God, then you must already have a clear definition in mind.

If science has proven God, it'll be the first thing science has ever proven.
Why, given this proof, aren't we all in perfect religious accord?

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We, true, it depends on how each of us defines god. Maybe some people don't feel religious need to be in perfect accord (if that could be defined first) because some people's definition is to have diversity under the same unit, others feel some religions need to be eliminated, while others tolerance and not peace.

But, the definition of god is simple when looking pass the cultural part. Everyone actually describes their experiences pretty much the same (in human language) despite the different ways in which they follow their religion or morals. It's an interesting observation and personal experience when you hear people's stories on and on RF about their religious views. Sometimes I laugh.

But the science I'm talking about is psychology and neurology, probably astronomy, and history moreso than a science lab and atoms type of thing.

Valjean said:

Eternity in paradise vs eternity in a lake of fire seems, to me, a pretty compelling consideration.

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I don't see the connection?

Valjean said:

But there is no clear evidence. if there were we'd all be in accord.

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Are you saying that because it's said about the evolution theory?

Try this in the name of science: John 7:17
"My doctrine (teachings) are not mine, but His (God's) that sent me. If any man (us) will do His will, He shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of Myself."
If anybody wants to experience God personally in their lives, Jesus shows us the way to do that.

What must we do?

Follow His teachings as recorded in the four gospels. Jesus is challenging anyone that wants to know whether or not He is from God. The challenge is to obey His teachings, and through this obedience, you will experience God in your life.

Try it in the name of science and the findings will be ground breaking!

Any takers?

In peace

GoldenThread said:

Try this in the name of science: John 7:17
"My doctrine (teachings) are not mine, but His (God's) that sent me. If any man (us) will do His will, He shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of Myself."
If anybody wants to experience God personally in their lives, Jesus shows us the way to do that.

What must we do?

Follow His teachings as recorded in the four gospels. Jesus is challenging anyone that wants to know whether or not He is from God. The challenge is to obey His teachings, and through this obedience, you will experience God in your life.

Try it in the name of science and the findings will be ground breaking!

Any takers?

In peace

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So blindly accept a particular religious text then it will make sense to you? Couldn't a Hindu, Sikh or Muslim do the same?

What do you mean "in the name of science?" and what sort of groundbreaking results are you talking about?