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The Gospel of John Claims that Jesus is God

metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
kjw47 said:
Read Proverbs 8. This is the being who was sent by (God( YHVH), speaking. It is not God speaking. Only the one he created all other things through can be called his master worker. He tells you he was created at 8:22-26) Collosians 1:15--The firstborn of all creation. Created direct, first and last. The real reason why Jesus has a God. Why else would Jesus have to hand back the kingdom to his God and Father and subject himself( forever)? 1Corinthians 15:24-28)
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You simply just continue to distort the reality of what the Trinitarian concept actually teaches, and as long as you continue to do that there simply is no reason for me to try and waste my time trying to explain it to you with the evidence that has already been provided you on numerous occasions. As the oft-heard statement goes, "You can have you own opinions but not your own facts".
 
kjw47

kjw47

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metis said:
You simply just continue to distort the reality of what the Trinitarian concept actually teaches, and as long as you continue to do that there simply is no reason for me to try and waste my time trying to explain it to you with the evidence that has already been provided you on numerous occasions. As the oft-heard statement goes, "You can have you own opinions but not your own facts".
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The facts back my teachers. The teachings of Jesus back my teachers. Errors in a divided house that will not stand( Mark 3:24-26) back your teachers.
Try listening to Jesus-At Revelation 3:12( while sitting at Gods right hand) , stresses 4 x in a single paragraph --he has a God.
 
74x12

74x12

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kjw47 said:
I know they are not wrong. God told all to listen to Jesus-John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- Here is the work Jesus began-Luke 10,, Acts 20:20) It doesn't stop until the end. Matthew 24:14
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No one is arguing that Jesus' work won't continue. As Jesus said the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. That doesn't mean the JW organization is the true church.
 
kjw47

kjw47

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74x12 said:
No one is arguing that Jesus' work won't continue. As Jesus said the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. That doesn't mean the JW organization is the true church.
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They are the only ones I see on earth who listen and obey Jesus.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
kjw47 said:
You must really be in the darkness like 99% on earth are. If you knew what Jesus taught, you would know my posts are fact. Few on earth knows what he taught.
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You really do not reflect a belief in Jesus' teaching as to "judge ye not ...". It's too bad that your JW teachers teach you that disobeying Jesus' teaching is somehow Christian.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Lyndon said:
pretty weak argument!!
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I believe you are saying that the Jews not believing in two gods is a weak argument. How then does one explain why an idea that Jesus is a second God as some have proposed by translating the verse as "a god" is consistent with Jewish thinking
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
pcarl said:
I should have stated that Paul 'considered' himself an apostle equal to the others due to his encounter with the risen Christ.
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I believe that works for me but he will never get equal billing because he didn't walk with Jesus while He was living on earth.
 
74x12

74x12

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Thirza Fallen said:
John is pretty, poetic and mystical, but does not jive with the earlier gospels.
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It follows the numerology pattern found throughout the scriptures. There are a lot of sets of 3 + 1. The last 1 being set apart from the other 3. The 3 will be together and the 4th will be special somehow. There is no doubt that the 4th gospel is different and special compared to the others.

Derived from E.W. Bullinger's book NUMBER in Scripture

FOUR: THREE PLUS ONE

The four bound with brass :
Samson (Judges 21) - not liberated
Jehoiachim (2 Chronicles 36:6) - not liberated
Zedekiah (2 Kings 25:7) - not liberated
Manasseh (2 Chronicles 33:11) - liberated

The four in the fiery furnace:
Shadrach - human
Meshach - human
Abednego - human
a Son of God - spiritual being

Four Prophetesses of the Old Testament mentioned by name:
Miriam - good
Deborah - good
Huldah - good
Noadiah - bad (Nehemiah 6:14)
 
74x12

74x12

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The teaching of the Rabbis was often times useful; but because the Jews were so dogmatic about the words of their human Rabbis; they ended up with Rabbinical Judaism we see today. They replaced prophets with Rabbis. They replaced Torah(give by prophecy) with Talmud(given by rabbis). No human teacher is infallible; so beware those who claim they are. If you have the real connection with the Spirit of God; then the Spirit Himself will teach you so you will know what to believe and what to discard. And you will constantly learn so you will know more and more because you listen to the Great Teacher. And you will be the sheep who sticks close to the Shepherd; so you will not go astray. But every sheep who only follows other sheep may indeed be lost. But who only listens to human shepherds can be lost. I am not against pastors, preachers or even teachers but you should listen to God above all.

My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace. (Jeremiah 50:6)

For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. (Isaiah 28:11-12)

In the old Covenant God gave the holy Spirit to the prophets and the prophets would declare the Word of God to the rest of the people who were still carnal. But in the new Covenant God gives the holy Spirit for anyone who will seek for this Gift. For the promise is unto you and to your children and to who all who are affair off; even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

(Jeremiah 31:31-34 and John 16:13)

Jesus said MY SHEEP hear MY voice and another they will not follow. You should individually, personally hear the voice of Jesus.

 
kjw47

kjw47

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metis said:
You really do not reflect a belief in Jesus' teaching as to "judge ye not ...". It's too bad that your JW teachers teach you that disobeying Jesus' teaching is somehow Christian.
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Believe Jesus--Matthew 6:33-- Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness. He warned he wouldn't be known-John 15:20-21
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
kjw47 said:
Believe Jesus--Matthew 6:33-- Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness. He warned he wouldn't be known-John 15:20-21
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One simply cannot believe in Jesus if they refuse to not judge others.
 
Oeste

Oeste

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kjw47 said:
They are the only ones I see on earth who listen and obey Jesus.
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kjw47 said:
You must really be in the darkness like 99% on earth are. If you knew what Jesus taught, you would know my posts are fact. Few on earth knows what he taught.
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Indeed, @kjw47, who are like the Jehovah Witnesses?

"The Witness Pharisee , standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like Christendom other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this so-called Christian tax collector."(Luke 18:11)
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Sorry for the typos, but I did cross (excuse the pun) them out.
 
TheresOnlyNow

TheresOnlyNow

The Mind Is Everything. U R What U Think
Oeste said:
A little clue that appear to have gone "whoooosh" over the heads of many
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Sad isn't it.
All manner of excuses have attached to that name as well. I've had discussions with sisters and brothers about this for years.
Some claim it is a title, not a name. While in the scripture the angel tells Mary she shall name the babe.....name, the babe Emmanuel.
Some claim it actually doesn't mean, God with us. Rather, that God is with us.
Oopsie, the angel misspoke?
No man has seen God. That part is true. God , as the scriptures inform, is a holy spirit. That's why we must worship him in spirit. However, God's holy spirit did manifest , begat himself, in the flesh of man so as to deliver the message of grace.
And of course. If no man, as it reads in the OT, can look upon God and live, how would God otherwise fulfill the propjecy of Messiah and bring the new covenant but through the anointed vessel of a man.

God see's all. He knows his own and has since before he created the world. So it is all a learning experience for those among the church. (i.e. the body of faithful in Christ)
 
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