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Slavery is ok in Bible?

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Christianity is a cafateria religion. You just pick the items that suit your fancy.
That's true with a lot of religions. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

The problem with Christianity is you are impulsed to justify the stories entailing atrocity and cruelty under a banner of morality and righteousness.

Christian apologists try but they're not doing a good job. They ought to give up and just fess up to the fact that the Bible is not the bastion of morality that they think it is.
 

Earthling

David Henson
I'm not gonna listen to the justification of slavery. If it has to be explained to you why it's bad then you have certainly found your perfecr match for religion. I do blame your god and people like you for keeping the nonsense going. You god didn't invent slavery but made it more than clear its ok.

I think slavery is an abominable concept. It's a product of greed. And you're still getting emotional about the issue. Ya' can't think when you get emotional. If you don't want to read what I said about slavery in the Bible, that's fine. But you brought it up, without much thought. Makes for a fairly lame discussion.
 

Trip Bapho

Member
I think slavery is an abominable concept. It's a product of greed. And you're still getting emotional about the issue. Ya' can't think when you get emotional. If you don't want to read what I said about slavery in the Bible, that's fine. But you brought it up, without much thought. Makes for a fairly lame discussion.
I'm truthfully just not interested in finding common ground with someone who is defending slavery. god bless lol
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Remember the part where I said try not to get emotional? You ****ed that up. All I want you to do is tell me what you think is bad about slavery.

Do you think that it's wrong to kidnap a person to sell or keep them in slavery? Well, that's a crime punishable by death in the Bible.

Do you think that it's disrespectful to keep a slave? Well, slaves were often respected members of the family.

Maybe you think that it's wrong to keep a person from advancing on their own - making their own way, becoming rich. Joseph, a slave in Egypt, was the second most powerful and rich man in the entire country. A slave could have his own business, and even buy back his freedom back if he was a Jew.

How were slaves to be gotten if they couldn't be kidnapped and forced into slavery. Prisoners of war, thieves until they paid back the amount of their theft, or debtors until they paid back their indebtedness. They didn't have prisons for that sort of thing.

Now, aside from the Bible, what people throughout history have had slaves, often not nearly as protected as those in the Bible? Any?

Don't blame God for slavery. It's the workings of man. Especially don't blame a God you don't think exists because that would be stupid.

the Christian god explicitly endorsed slavery and outlines where to,buy them, how much you can beat them, etc. That is unless the old testament is not his words. But if that is the case, then it guts the new testament.
why are you wanting to excuse slavery? How do you see slavery as either ethical,or moral?
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
You suggest he override human desires when dealing with humans?

he did in other cases. he told,them not to worship,idols, not to mix fabrics, not to eat shellfish, and a host of other things. If they weren’t going to do those things, tnere would be no reason to tell,them that.
 

Earthling

David Henson
the Christian god explicitly endorsed slavery and outlines where to,buy them, how much you can beat them, etc. That is unless the old testament is not his words. But if that is the case, then it guts the new testament.
why are you wanting to excuse slavery? How do you see slavery as either ethical,or moral?

Okay. First, show me the Bible verse that outlines where to buy slaves.

Secondly, I'm not excusing it, nor do I see it as ethical or moral. The peoples of that time, and for some time afterwards, did see it as such.

Thirdly, instead of slavery, what more humane treatment would you suggest for theft, prisoners of war, debtors? Kill the POWs or imprison them? Throw the thieves in prison and let them rot? You see, the people then, thought that was unthinkable as you think slavery is.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
the Christian god explicitly endorsed slavery and outlines where to,buy them, how much you can beat them, etc. That is unless the old testament is not his words. But if that is the case, then it guts the new testament.
why are you wanting to excuse slavery? How do you see slavery as either ethical,or moral?
It boils down to asking if these passages are actually not of God, nor has anything to do with God as is claimed, then why are the verses even there in the Holy Bible?
 

Earthling

David Henson
he did in other cases. he told,them not to worship,idols, not to mix fabrics, not to eat shellfish, and a host of other things. If they weren’t going to do those things, tnere would be no reason to tell,them that.

And why did God tell them to not do or do other things? What was the law for? What was the nation of Israel for?
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
And why did God tell them to not do or do other things? What was the law for? What was the nation of Israel for?

you are attemting to move the goal post. you said should god interfere with human desires and I pointed out that in the Bible, he did it all the time. I don’t care what the law was for. it interfered with human desires.
 

Earthling

David Henson
you are attemting to move the goal post. you said should god interfere with human desires and I pointed out that in the Bible, he did it all the time. I don’t care what the law was for. it interfered with human desires.

I don't think so. You asked if God couldn't override human desires and I asked you if you were suggesting that he should have. So. The point of this thread is just to criticize Bible Believers for something that was practiced thousands of years ago 'cause 'yall got the moral upper hand now, huh? But you don't want to discuss, why, how, when, or anything else about it intelligently.

You just want to ***** about something you don't think is real as if it were and pretend, in complete ignorance, to be morally superior?

That's a shame. What a waste of time and space.
 

Trip Bapho

Member
I don't think so. You asked if God couldn't override human desires and I asked you if you were suggesting that he should have. So. The point of this thread is just to criticize Bible Believers for something that was practiced thousands of years ago 'cause 'yall got the moral upper hand now, huh? But you don't want to discuss, why, how, when, or anything else about it intelligently.

You just want to ***** about something you don't think is real as if it were and pretend, in complete ignorance, to be morally superior?

That's a shame. What a waste of time and space.

You have more than proved the point you are trying to make. No ethical human will justify slavery with you. I appreciate your passion but dont think there is anything left for you on this thread. Thanks
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Okay. First, show me the Bible verse outlines where to buy slaves.

Secondly, I'm not excusing it, nor do I see it as ethical or moral. The peoples of that time, and for some time afterwards, did see it as such.

Thirdly, instead of slavery, what more humane treatment would you suggest for theft, prisoners of war, debtors? Kill the POWs or imprison them? Throw the thieves in prison and let them rot? You see, the people then, thought that was unthinkable as you think slavery is.

I’m surprised you are having to ask an atheist to find quotes in your own religious texts. That is very telling.

For Hebrew slaves, Exodus 21
For others Leviticus 25: 45-46
Now go ahead and rationalize that.

prison sentences are metted out in accordance with the severity of the crime. Slavery (except male Hebrew slaves) was for life. Not all slaves were theives, debtors, or prisoners of war. they were explicitly purchased for the porpose of slavery. prisoners do not “rot” in prison. they serve their sentences and are released, unless they have life sentences. How is permanent enslavement more moral than that?

You are wrong........the Israelites had prisons. look it up before you put your foot in your mouth.

If you do not feel it is moral or ethical behavior, why are you defending it? why are you defending a god who supposedly endorsed it in his own words? where is his condemnation of the practice to be found?
 

Earthling

David Henson
You have more than proved the point you are trying to make. No ethical human will justify slavery with you. I appreciate your passion but dont think there is anything left for you on this thread. Thanks

Oh, you're back now! Telling me you're not reading what I say and now that there's nothing left for me to say. I'll be the judge of that.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Okay. First, show me the Bible verse that outlines where to buy slaves.

Secondly, I'm not excusing it, nor do I see it as ethical or moral. The peoples of that time, and for some time afterwards, did see it as such.

Thirdly, instead of slavery, what more humane treatment would you suggest for theft, prisoners of war, debtors? Kill the POWs or imprison them? Throw the thieves in prison and let them rot? You see, the people then, thought that was unthinkable as you think slavery is.
You have to be kidding. You have an opinion and have not even looked into it? Leviticus 25 44.

And prisoners of war are to be released at the end of the war. Hebrews that went into slavery to pay a debt were not like foreign slaves. Their term was limited to seven years. Though a slave owner could trick them into life long servitude according to the Bible.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
I don't think so. You asked if God couldn't override human desires and I asked you if you were suggesting that he should have. So. The point of this thread is just to criticize Bible Believers for something that was practiced thousands of years ago 'cause 'yall got the moral upper hand now, huh? But you don't want to discuss, why, how, when, or anything else about it intelligently.

You just want to ***** about something you don't think is real as if it were and pretend, in complete ignorance, to be morally superior?

That's a shame. What a waste of time and space.

no, it is to criticize the god you believe in, and to criticize those who would defend a god that endorsed slavery.

If he is an all loving all god who displays a perfect moral character, slavery should never have existed, never mind thst he was apparently unwilling to even say it was immoral.

I do not believe there is ever any context in which slavery is moral. you and your god apparently do. That is the difference between me and you and your god.
 

Trip Bapho

Member
Oh, you're back now! Telling me you're not reading what I say and now that there's nothing left for me to say. I'll be the judge of that.
lol ok. By all means keep on.. Your making your religion look so bad I almost feel bad for other Christians.
 

Earthling

David Henson
no, it is to criticize the god you believe in, and to criticize those who would defend a god that endorsed slavery.

Neither me nor my God endorsed slavery.

If he is an all loving all god who displays a perfect moral character, slavery should never have existed, never mind thst he was apparently unwilling to even say it was immoral.

What is an all loving God? One who loves everything. Slavery, murder, etc. So that's stupid.

If this God did exist then he created us like the books say, so he is the decider of what is moral. Not you or me or anyone else. So that's stupid.

If God didn't exist, or, if as I say, God gave the earth to Adam, i.e. mankind, slavery was mankind's idea, not God's. God also though divorce was immoral but Moses wrote that it was acceptable. God didn't object until Jesus came and said only on the grounds of adultery. So that's stupid.

I do not believe there is ever any context in which slavery is moral. you and your god apparently do. That is the difference between me and you and your god.

You already said that. It's stupid no matter how you look at it.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Neither me nor my God endorsed slavery.

The God of the Old Testament clearly did. A God that tells you not to wear polyester, but tells you from who you can buy your slaves is endorsing slavery.

What is an all loving God? One who loves everything. Slavery, murder, etc. So that's stupid.

So God is not the God of the Bible. You could be correct on that one.

If this God did exist then he created us like the books say, so he is the decider of what is moral. Not you or me or anyone else. So that's stupid.

And that is a huge logical fail.

If God didn't exist, or, if as I say, God gave the earth to Adam, i.e. mankind, slavery was mankind's idea, not God's. God also though divorce was immoral but Moses wrote that it was acceptable. God didn't object until Jesus came and said only on the grounds of adultery. So that's stupid.

So convincing

You already said that. It's stupid no matter how you look at it.

You appear to be very mistaken about what is "stupid". Perhaps you could find a better term to use.
 
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