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Is Christmas Pagan?

Aislyn Wynters

New Member
Christmas to me is neither pagan nor Christian. It's a holiday that has evolved through different countries, different origins until Santa arrived with his reindeer and sleigh and kids get excited and enjoy a wonderful day and getting and giving gifts and family time.
I celebrate Yule but also Christmas because of my parents and so did my daughter.
Nobody knows the date of Jesus Christ's birth and unless his birth certificate shows up, no one ever will. All anyone can do is make the best guess through the history and religious texts that they discover. But remember though that the stuff they are discovering changes thoughts and facts on a frequent basis.
Many religions around the world were assimilated into each other through conquest. It has happened in our past and will no doubt continue into our future. Let Christmas be whatever anyone wants it to be as long as it's not harming anyone. Is the pagan next door harming you with their yule ritual, is the Christian harming you by singing happy birthday to Jesus.. nope they are not.
Let Christmas just be about the kids and family time.
 

james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Christmas marks the day of Christ’s birth.

If you don’t want to celebrate it don’t. I can assure you that no one will lose any sleep over your anti-Christ feelings.

:)-
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
So tis the season to be Pagan.So if your Christian do you celebrate Christmas? My sister is Messianic Christian and she and her family do not celebrate Christmas because of its Pagan origins.

Horace and other Gods were born on December 1st, what is Jesus true birthday? What about Santa and Rudolph do you teach your kids Santa exists and Rudolph and Frosty the snowman Christmas elves?

I love it all. I think of it as a way of having family time together.

It started out pagan, but nowadays, it's whatever you want it to be.
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
Is Christmas pagan? How can celebrating the founder of the Christian faith be pagan, especially as he was an Orthodox Jew?

Over the next two week I've got the monthly festivals of Hekate, Hestia, Asklepios, and Tyche, the annual festival of Poseidon, and the Heliogenna. That's enough for me!
How do you celebrate those festivals?
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
God must be pretty weak compared to Satan if Satan is capable of corrupting absolutely everything about praising Christ and if God is utterly incapable of sanctifying even the smallest of human actions. I can't even burn a log in my fire or give a present without it being Satanic. If I were to believe the Jehovah's Witnesses' narrative about what's Satanic and what's not, I'd be forced to conclude that this world has been hopelessly and irrevocably lost from God's grasp almost from the words "Let there be". Satan is everywhere, and God is nowhere to be seen.
Yahweh should have had Satan die instead of Jesus.
 
Are you suggesting there is nothing good at all in paganism?
christianity was in hot competition with paganism since paul. It hasnt changed. They use the tactics of demonization to paint any pagan as horrible. Granted I wouldnt want to go back to the roman pagan ways but today's pagans are fairly good people.
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
LOL. I believe it is Just like a religion to leave out Jesus and think it is the only one.
But Christianity took from Judaism, added to it, then told Jews they are wrong and going to hell. Um, you just described your own religion. Christianity has been taking pagan tenets, renaming them and pretending they thought of it first.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Christmas marks the day of Christ’s birth.

If you don’t want to celebrate it don’t. I can assure you that no one will lose any sleep over your anti-Christ feelings.

:)-


And where does it say JC was born on 25th December.

I understand christans chose that day to entice pagans into their clutches by saying something along the lines 'join our club and you dont need to give up your midnwinter celebration'

Note, same applies to the feast of eostre... opps, easter
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
And where does it say JC was born on 25th December.

I understand christans chose that day to entice pagans into their clutches by saying something along the lines 'join our club and you dont need to give up your midnwinter celebration'

Note, same applies to the feast of eostre... opps, easter

Dec 25 was deemed Mithra's birthday. Mithraism competed with Christianity.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
If you don't like that date--- so what-?

Did i say i didn't like the date? I really do not care how vague christianity is about the birthdate of its wordshipped leader. But it seems you get flustered when the truth of christian tradition is washed in public. Why is that?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I'm not flustered, just curious as to why Christ's birthday troubles you

:)-


How many times, it doesn't trouble me, i could not care less that you or anyone else knows jcs birthday. You can of course pretend its 25th December, that gives you a 1 in 365 chance of being right. Good odds eh?

I am simply repeating the fact that christianity has chosen to hijack the winter celebration of several pre christian cultures, you seem to be the one getting uptight about it."


Oh, and i'll repeat seeing as you chose to ignore it "did i say i didn't like the date? I really do not care how vague christianity is about the birthdate of its worshipped leader.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
So tis the season to be Pagan.So if your Christian do you celebrate Christmas? My sister is Messianic Christian and she and her family do not celebrate Christmas because of its Pagan origins.

Horace and other Gods were born on December 1st, what is Jesus true birthday? What about Santa and Rudolph do you teach your kids Santa exists and Rudolph and Frosty the snowman Christmas elves?

I think it all depends on how you keep it. If you keep it as pagan feast, then it is not good in my opinion. But if you keep it as Christian thing, then I think it is ok.

In Biblical point of view, bad thing is to keep something else as your god than the one and only true God. Lying is also not good.
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
But the Church did not celebrate that but celebrated Jesus' birth instead, although it was never assumed that he was borne on that date.

Just saying that many things about the church were taken from previous or concurrent religion, then say they made it up to begin with. A little humility is in order.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
So tis the season to be Pagan.So if your Christian do you celebrate Christmas? My sister is Messianic Christian and she and her family do not celebrate Christmas because of its Pagan origins.

Horace and other Gods were born on December 1st, what is Jesus true birthday? What about Santa and Rudolph do you teach your kids Santa exists and Rudolph and Frosty the snowman Christmas elves?

I love it all. I think of it as a way of having family time together.

My Christmas is secular. It was secular when I was growing up, it was secular for my kids, it is secular for my grandkids.

Took me a while to connect Christmas to Christ Mass. Some atheists get offended by Christmas. I never really saw anything to be offended about. Easter is along the same lines. It's about bunnies and eggs. Never really understood the connection between the two, it's just what is.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
My Christmas is secular. It was secular when I was growing up, it was secular for my kids, it is secular for my grandkids.

Took me a while to connect Christmas to Christ Mass. Some atheists get offended by Christmas. I never really saw anything to be offended about. Easter is along the same lines. It's about bunnies and eggs. Never really understood the connection between the two, it's just what is.


Well I usually say Merry Christmas if I know I'm speaking to a Christian. But if I don't know what religion they are, Merry Christmas-HappyHolidays.
 
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