Huge gap between humans and animals

IndigoChild5559 · Jan 10, 2019

Wild Fox said:
I did watch the video and y

I did see the video but champanzees and humans have the same neurotransmitters although the total number of neurotransmitters is higher in humans it reflect the larger size in brain.

Not just more neurotransmitters: radically more.

The difference in DNA code between humans and chimpanzees is 1.2 percent.

This ignores epigenetics, where the true differences lie.

Given this small difference there is no reason to believe that another primate cannot achieve the same brain size. Also convergent evolution has shown us that there are other ways to achieve the same effect in time.

I have never said that another primate cannot reach similar levels. Never. But at present, we are the only ones that are "animals becoming something else."

IndigoChild5559 · Jan 10, 2019

Wild Fox said:
We are not quasi-animals. That makes no sense at all. We share far more with other animals than we are different. It was the arrogance of the past which stated that humans are different than animals. That argument has been but to rest with genetic comparisons.

We all know that it is not genetics, but epigenetics, that is the real determiner of differences.

Thief · Jan 10, 2019

Wild Fox said:
Is that good or bad?

excellent......for me

FearGod · Jan 11, 2019

Wild Fox said:
We are not quasi-animals. That makes no sense at all. We share far more with other animals than we are different. It was the arrogance of the past which stated that humans are different than animals. That argument has been but to rest with genetic comparisons. That same arrogance was used for an argument that some humans were superior to other humans. What they used for their argument was behavior differences. Savages could not possibly be the same as the culturally advanced societies. So do we really what behavior as the indicator. Who is really more advanced the bushmen who live in a harmony with their environment or most of the rest of us who are destroying the world we live in?

Go and live with the bushmen and leave the computer and all these wonderful things that humans
have created including medicine not only for humans but even for the animals.

Bear Wild · Jan 11, 2019

IndigoChild5559 said:
Not just more neurotransmitters: radically more.

This ignores epigenetics, where the true differences lie.

I have never said that another primate cannot reach similar levels. Never. But at present, we are the only ones that are "animals becoming something else."

I have not ignored the epigenetics at all. But epigenetics has not change how we classify animals including humans. The decreased methylation of human DNA does increase the expression rate of promoter gene sequences as compared to chimpanzees. This does increase expression of genes involved. But the epigenetic effects are found in animals just with variations of expression. This does not mean humans are not biologically animals. If you have a study that clearly supports the separation of humans from the animal kingdom then show me the evidence. My searches so far do show the effect of epigenetics on evolution but have not supported the assertion that humans should separate from primates.
This is the ridiculous assertion that comes with your line of thinking. "These results derived from the field of epigenetics dramatically illustrate the profound genetic differences that exist between humans and apes. Once again, cutting-edge science fits closely with the biblical paradigm that God created all animals “after their kind” (Genesis 1:21) and humans uniquely in the “image of God” (Genesis 1:27)."Epigenetics Proves Humans and Chimps Are Different BY JEFFREY P. TOMKINS, PH.D. * | FRIDAY, DECEMBER 28, 2012 from the institute for creation research. Here is the ongoing attempt to make humans different than animals. Of course the next step is obvious. God gave us less methylation because god has less methylation in gods dna thus humans are most like god.

IndigoChild5559 · Jan 11, 2019

Wild Fox said:
I have not ignored the epigenetics at all. But epigenetics has not change how we classify animals including humans. The decreased methylation of human DNA does increase the expression rate of promoter gene sequences as compared to chimpanzees. This does increase expression of genes involved. But the epigenetic effects are found in animals just with variations of expression. This does not mean humans are not biologically animals. If you have a study that clearly supports the separation of humans from the animal kingdom then show me the evidence. My searches so far do show the effect of epigenetics on evolution but have not supported the assertion that humans should separate from primates.
This is the ridiculous assertion that comes with your line of thinking. "These results derived from the field of epigenetics dramatically illustrate the profound genetic differences that exist between humans and apes. Once again, cutting-edge science fits closely with the biblical paradigm that God created all animals “after their kind” (Genesis 1:21) and humans uniquely in the “image of God” (Genesis 1:27)."Epigenetics Proves Humans and Chimps Are Different BY JEFFREY P. TOMKINS, PH.D. * | FRIDAY, DECEMBER 28, 2012 from the institute for creation research. Here is the ongoing attempt to make humans different than animals. Of course the next step is obvious. God gave us less methylation because god has less methylation in gods dna thus humans are most like god.

Stop trying to squish me into a box that I don't belong in. I'm not a creationist. I firmly believe in evolution.

Further, I have stated that human beings ARE animals. We simply are animals that are in the process of evolving into something more.

Consider the question, how many differences must an Australopithecine evolve before we do not call it an Australopithecine anymore???? Of course there will be a gradual transition, but at some point in time we will begin calling him genus Homo.

In the same way, how many differences must an animal evolve before we begin classifying it as something new???? We are currently in a state of transition, but at some point in the future, we will begin calling ourselves something other than animals.

Bear Wild · Jan 11, 2019

IndigoChild5559 said:
Stop trying to squish me into a box that I don't belong in. I'm not a creationist. I firmly believe in evolution.

Further, I have stated that human beings ARE animals. We simply are animals that are in the process of evolving into something more.

Consider the question, how many differences must an Australopithecine evolve before we do not call it an Australopithecine anymore???? Of course there will be a gradual transition, but at some point in time we will begin calling him genus Homo.

In the same way, how many differences must an animal evolve before we begin classifying it as something new???? We are currently in a state of transition, but at some point in the future, we will begin calling ourselves something other than animals.

There is no question we are increasing our variation. As for evolving into something different than just homo sapiens that is a difficult question since we are currently not undergoing any selective mechanism. All variation are being preserved especially with medical help. We will not, however, be calling ourselves something other than animals. We share for to many characteristics with other animals. The brain is not the only organ. We share more in common with other mammals than there are differences. This idea that we will be different from the animal kingdom is not a biological view but a perception view. We have bones, heart, lungs, and other organs the same as other mammals. We share a physiology with other animals which is well preserve in evolution. Just because our brain is our greatest attribute it does not separate us from the rest of the animals.

Bear Wild · Jan 11, 2019

FearGod said:
Go and live with the bushmen and leave the computer and all these wonderful things that humans
have created including medicine not only for humans but even for the animals.

Unfortunately if have committed myself to trying to stop what humans are doing to our environment and use what I can to preserve our planet so the bushmen and other living things will still have a chance. Thus I am using what technology we do have with hope it is not too late.

Bear Wild · Jan 11, 2019

IndigoChild5559 said:
We all know that it is not genetics, but epigenetics, that is the real determiner of differences.

Actually epigenetics with out the genetic code does nothing since epigenetics is about methylation of the genetic code and histones to regulate it. It still depends on the genetic code itself so that is not actually correct. Both are important.

FearGod · Jan 11, 2019

Wild Fox said:
Unfortunately if have committed myself to trying to stop what humans are doing to our environment and use what I can to preserve our planet so the bushmen and other living things will still have a chance. Thus I am using what technology we do have with hope it is not too late.

Why you care about what would be the case after thousands of years on earth?
let's assume that life will end on earth, will that make you feel worry and why?

Bear Wild · Jan 11, 2019

FearGod said:
Why you care about what would be the case after thousands of years on earth?
let's assume that life will end on earth, will that make you feel worry and why?

I actually like the plane we live on and feel bad the way humans treat the rest of the life on Earth. I also would love for others to experience the non-human aspect of our world which is rapidly disappearing. I feel connected with plants and animals that I live with and care about them. As for thousand of year from now, the choices that we humans can make can determine if there is an inhabitable world for humans in the near future. So for many reasons I care. The planet will go on with or without humans. Unfortunately we are currently creating a world that will increase suffering for all life on this planet.

FearGod · Jan 11, 2019

Wild Fox said:
I actually like the plane we live on and feel bad the way humans treat the rest of the life on Earth. I also would love for others to experience the non-human aspect of our world which is rapidly disappearing. I feel connected with plants and animals that I live with and care about them. As for thousand of year from now, the choices that we humans can make can determine if there is an inhabitable world for humans in the near future. So for many reasons I care. The planet will go on with or without humans. Unfortunately we are currently creating a world that will increase suffering for all life on this planet.

Let's assume that all sort of life will end after few thousands of years, how that makes you feel worry
while actually you won't be existing during that era.

Bear Wild · Jan 11, 2019

FearGod said:
Let's assume that all sort of life will end after few thousands of years, how that makes you feel worry
while actually you won't be existing during that era.

I do not understand you question. I am concerned for the life on our planet now and our current future. I do not understand why you are asking about 1000 years from now.

FearGod · Jan 11, 2019

Wild Fox said:
I do not understand you question. I am concerned for the life on our planet now and our current future. I do not understand why you are asking about 1000 years from now.

If you're concerned about now, do you think that you're suffering as human being and better
if you have been living as a bushman 100 thousands years ago?

IndigoChild5559 · Jan 11, 2019

Wild Fox said:
There is no question we are increasing our variation. As for evolving into something different than just homo sapiens that is a difficult question since we are currently not undergoing any selective mechanism. All variation are being preserved especially with medical help. We will not, however, be calling ourselves something other than animals. We share for to many characteristics with other animals. The brain is not the only organ. We share more in common with other mammals than there are differences. This idea that we will be different from the animal kingdom is not a biological view but a perception view. We have bones, heart, lungs, and other organs the same as other mammals. We share a physiology with other animals which is well preserve in evolution. Just because our brain is our greatest attribute it does not separate us from the rest of the animals.

We are now in control of our own evolution, which no other animal has ever achieved. The first designer baby, created with CRISPR, has been born (with great controversy in China). Bionics is another the way of the future.

Bear Wild · Jan 11, 2019

IndigoChild5559 said:
We are now in control of our own evolution, which no other animal has ever achieved. The first designer baby, created with CRISPR, has been born (with great controversy in China). Bionics is another the way of the future.

So you think we have the wisdom to really control our evolution? Is bionics a true advancement for life on earth? However whether we control our evolution or not we are still animals in biology. Bionics are not our species. And if we create superior humans? Do we get rid of the inferior humans secondary to limited resources. Never the less unless sex and our traditional reproduction goes out the window and we no longer need a heart or carry on respiration in our mitochondria, we will still be animals in biological terms. There was an old television show called outer limits that had an episode on human evolution. The character created a machine to advance himself in evolutionary terms into the future. As he advanced each time he reached a level in which he looked at he human race with distain finding humans not worthy of occupying the earth. I hope humans can get beyond this need to see themselves as separate and so special and gain the true wisdom of yes we are animals in an interconnected world. So far we have "advanced" ourselves in the misguided view that we are separate from the rest of the natural world.

Bear Wild · Jan 11, 2019

FearGod said:
If you're concerned about now, do you think that you're suffering as human being and better
if you have been living as a bushman 100 thousands years ago?

The quality of life is declining for many in our current world. Despite our advancements there are serious negative changes going on today. Would it be better to live like the bushman 100 years ago? Not such an obvious answer as you might think giving we are creating mass extinction and the possible extinction of man the way we are living now. If there is no change in our behavior and we do not stop what we are doing then the answer will be yes, we would all be better off.

IndigoChild5559 · Jan 14, 2019

Wild Fox said:
So you think we have the wisdom to really control our evolutiion?

I don't

But this moves us on into an entirely different subject.

I believe we have finally agreed on the original topic, which is that as human beings we are animals becoming something more.

Xax · Jan 21, 2019

I think humans are animals, but more developed than other species. I think it is quite possible that somewhere in our vast universe there are other beings more developed than us, who would regard humans as a lesser species.

syo · Jan 22, 2019

FearGod said:
Why only humans are different than the rest of animals in terms of thinking, talking
and the way of living, no animal can be compared to humans?

Why we can't even see animals in midway between humans and animals in
terms of thinking, talking and the ability to invent ..etc?

How that is explained by science, we can see different kinds of animals horses, donkeys, dogs,
different kind of birds, but why humans are unique?

we are apes. we are animals.

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