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Eternal Hell, Scripture or ignorant theory?

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If This Message Is Correct: ------------ All Will Come to Salvation In The End!
truth101…They have washed themselves clean of all unrightiousness. They have matured from being the children of God to the sons of God
  • Then it wasn’t Christ alone that washed us from our sins in his own blood, but men also washes themselves clean of all unrighteousness!
Rev. 1:5
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,


It was Christ’s sacrifice, His blood, (Christ’s offering His life, for His people) coming under the Wrath of the Law as the Lamb slain, which was only the blood of the Lamb that wash the sins and cleansed them from all unrighteousness.
Col. 1:23
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Then the washing of Christ was to cleansed and purge His people sins, which removed all unrighteousness from them, to present them holy and unblameable in God’s sight.

We were God’s enemy because of our sins, the blood of Christ sacrifice death, washed, purge, and cleansed away the sins of His people, thus they are now in the sight of God Holy, (without sin) unblameable (without sin) and unreproveable (without sin).

No longer does God see sin in us! Peace unto us from the Father, we are no longer God’s enemy but are now are called the Sons of the living God.

Heb. 9:14
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

If This Message Is Correct: ------------ All Will Come to Salvation In The End!
truth101…There is only one salvation. Christ gave His life as a ransom for ALL mankind. Salvation means healing. We are saved by the death burial and ressurection of Christ but the salvation means healing. We are healed from our infirmity (sin and wickedness) through our lives or through the fire.There are not multiple salvations as I have made perfectly clear.Dieing to self and taking up our cross is the salvation (healing).

So, to sum up what is said:
There one salvation which is healing, which is dying to self, taking up your cross which heals you from your infirmity (sin and wickedness) through your life

Or if not your salvation which is healing, which now mean to be cast into the Lake of Fire which heals you from your infirmity (sin and wickedness)
  • Then the blood didn’t fully heal His people of All their infirmities (sin and wickedness).
1Peter 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

They Claim One Salvation:
Question?
Is it dependent on Christ alone healing them of their infirmities (sin and wickedness) or do they have to add their help, whether it’s in this life or in the lake of fire?


Here God tell us it was Christ’s own self on the cross (on the tree) that we were Healed.

It was Christ enduring the punishment from the Laws wrath that we were made whole.
“by whose stripes ye were healed”!

His people were completely cure of all their infirmities (sin and wickedness), by Christ own self bearing our sins, “his own self bare our sins in his own body”


Christ is our Healing!
Malachi 4:2
2But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings;
 
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Temporary Hell, ignorant theory of Purgatory!
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Another problem with that statement is how the idea was derived!

truth101 said…Do you say this kingdom is for eternity? Or, Do you believe scripture when it says it comes to an end after 1000 years?

They say’ the kingdom end after 1,000 years!

They point us to the scripture so let’s look!

The scripture they begin is in Revelation 20:4
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The first point to mention is that this verse is the only place in the Bible that talks about Christ reigning for 1,000 years.

With this in view we can consecrate our focus within this passage of scripture.

Points that they have concluded:

truth101 said… the dead do not inherit this kingdom because they did not take part in the first ressurection. They are ressurected when THIS KINGDOM ENDS.
Remember the wicked lost dead are still DEAD at this point they have not been ressurected, this is the "aionios" (age lasting) death refered to in contrast to "aionios" life here in the peace of the Kingdom.)

  • The wicked are still Dead, while Christ is reigning for 1,000 years.

truth101 said…All the rest of humanity are reserved for aionios death (to stay dead through the kingdom age of 1000 years).
· All the rest of humanity are also dead during the 1,000 years reign of Christ.


truth101 said…Jesus made no promise of eternal life, He made a promise that those who overcome will enter this kingdom to rule and reign with Him for 1000 years, not eternity, period.


  • Only the people that have overcome this life is promise to reign with Christ for 1,000 years.
truth101 said…The kingdom lasts for 1000 years and ends yet, our bibles have translated aionios as eternal or everlasting or ever and ever. The translation for aionios death is also translated eternal yet this death that is spoken of in scripture only lasts as long as the kingdom does and at the end of the kingdom the DEAD ARE RESSURECTED.

  • At the end of the 1,000 year, All the wicked of humanity are then resurrected.
truth101 said…At the end of this kingdom age all are promised restoration through the lake of fire. Not eternal destruction.

  • After the 1,000 years, All the wicked of humanity after their resurrection they are then cast in to the Lake of Fire for their salvation.

Rev.20:5
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

truth101 said…I have shown you how plain as day it is written that this Kingdom of heaven you insist is eternal is not, it comes to an END 111

· After the 1,000 years reign that’s it, the Kingdom of heaven Ends.

truth101 said…Jesus made no promise of eternal life.

· Christ made no promise of eternal life!

truth101 said…The new heaven and the new earth IS the kingdom of God where Christ and His elect will rule and reign for 1000 years not forever.

· The new heaven and the new earth is where Christ reigns for 1,000 years.


truth101 said…What part of this is so hard for you to comprehend. It doesn't take and rocket scientist to see that this kingdom plainly is temporal yet you insist with no evidence at all that it is eternal.

· It’s plain as day, the kingdom is temporal!

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They have made 8 points concerning this passage as evidence that,
------------ All Will Come to Salvation In The End!

Let’s then examine this passage a litter closer to see if their conclusion holds up?

Revelation 20:4
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


Please note the language carefully. "I saw the souls of them that were beheaded.

" It does not say, ("I saw the souls who had been beheaded.")

It says I saw the souls of them that were beheaded.

This is parallel language to a statement like, "I saw the hand of the man who had been killed."

I am seeing only the hand of the man that was killed.

The point being, these souls haven’t received their resurrected bodies during this 1,000 year reign with Christ yet!


Rev. 20:5
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


  • truths 101 point:…Only the people that have overcome this life is promise to reign with Christ for 1,000 years.
If this point is correct:

Then why after they have been resurrected, they are still disembodied souls?

Rev. 20:5
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 1


The scripture say’s after the 1,000 years are expired. Satan is loosed.

truth101 said…Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired (the kingdom ends), Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

In which they are also in agreement.

Notice they included that the Kingdom ends.

truth101 said…Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. (After this "aionios" [age lasting] life in the kindgom for 1000 years in peace the devil is once again released to do his job again.

They state that After the 1,000 years are expired the devil is to do his job again!

Rev. 20:8
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth,

A question arises at this time!

What people are these that Satan is deceiving?

  • truths 101 point:…After the 1,000 years, All the wicked of humanity after their resurrection they are then cast in to the Lake of Fire for their salvation.
All the rest of humanity is in the Lake of Fire according to their conclusion!

What earth is Satan deceiving the people in?

  • truths 101 point:…After the 1,000 years reign that’s it, the Kingdom of heaven Ends.
  • truths 101 point:…The new heaven and the new earth is where Christ reigns for 1,000 years.
Given the fact that the old heaven and the old earth no longer exist!

Given the fact that the new heaven and the new earth on longer exist!

Given the fact that the Kingdom of heaven no longer exists!

What earth, nations and people is Satan being loosed to deceive?
If their point is correct:

Then Satan is deceiving people, nations and the earth that don’t exist!


Rev. 20:10
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Then after Satan deceived the earth that doesn’t exist, he is cast into the lake of fire.


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truth101 said…All others will be purified by fire and then they will believe but not until the kingdoms is coming to its end.
truth101 said…Thelake of fire is designed to purify

truth101 said…You need to understand what this lake is. It is not a literal lake of literal fire and brimstone, it is symbolic of the wrath of God seperating the man from the madness, (so to speak).
truth101 said…God IS the CONSUMING FIRE which will burn away all infirmity of wickedness and doubt in every stubborn individual.

If these statements are correct, that:
  • The Lake of Fire is not literal
  • The Lake of Fire is designed to Purify
  • The Lake of Fire will end
Then Satan and the devils who are cast into the LAKE OF FIRE also receives salvation.

This conclusion creates more questions than it solves.

Rev. 20:11
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Now we have more questions and reasons to doubt the Temporary Hell, ignorant theory of Purgatory!


Rev. 20:12
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.


They have also concluded that while Satan was loosed:
  • 1,000 year Kingdom of Heaven no longer exists!
  • The new heaven and new earth no longer exists!
  • After the End of the 1,000 yrs, then the Dead will be in the Lake of Fire.
If their conclusions are right:
Then why are the people who supposedly are is the Lake of Fire while Satan was loose, are now brought forth to stand for Judgment, to be cast into the Lake of Fire after Satan has finished deceiving the earth, nations and people that don’t exist?

Then why are the people that were reigning with Christ for 1,000 years now also here standing before God?

The simple answer to both is because the Temporary Hell, ignorant theory of Purgatory! Conclusion is wrong!
 
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------------ All Will Come to Salvation In The End!

Here is another scripture that is offered to prove the 1,000-year reign of Christ.

truth101 said…These words are so clear that it amazes me how you cannot see.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, (end of the kingdom)when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
You say "it never says that God stops reigning." The kingdom age is Christs rule and reign with His elect.

Notice their faulty insertion of “(end of the kingdom)” into verse 24!

Faulty assumptions:

  • That the 1,000-year reign of Christ is the fulfillment of the Kingdom of Heaven!
  • That 1Cor. 15:25-28 is speaking of the 1,000-year reign of Christ

A major Point to consider:

· The 1,000-year reign of Christ is not the fulfillment of the Kingdom of heaven!



Now the questions can be ask:

Then who are the enemies that are being put under Christ feet?

1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
truths 101 point:…The New heaven and the New earth is where Christ reigns for 1,000 years.

truths 101 point:…Only the people that have overcome this life is promise to reign with Christ for 1,000 years.

truth101 said…Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired (the kingdom ends), Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

truth101 said… (After this "aionios" [age lasting] life in the kindgom for 1000 years in peace the devil is once again released to do his job again.

truth101 said…Remember the wicked lost dead are still DEAD at this point they have not been ressurected, this is the "aionios" (age lasting) death refered to in contrast to "aionios" life here in the peace of the Kingdom.)


If their points are correct:

· truths 101 point:…The New heaven and New earth is where Christ reigns for 1,000 years.

· truths 101 point:…Only the people that have overcome (sin and all wickedness) are the only ones reigning in the 1,000-year kingdom.

· truths 101 point:…The 1,000- year kingdom is a time of peace.

· truths 101 point:…Satan is bound during these 1,000 years, (so he is under the feet of Christ at this time)

· truths 101 point:…The wicked are dead until the end of the 1,000-year are finished, (so they don’t rule, power or any authority at this time).

Then who or what is left, that is being conqueror?

It’s a lot like their other conclusion, that when Satan was loosed to deceive the world after the 1,000 years were expired, he was deceiving the world, nations and people that didn’t exist.

· Here during this peaceable reign, Christ is at war subduing His enemies!
· Is it with the same world, nations and people that don’t exist?

If it’s a time of Peace, then why is their still war?

  • Satan is bound during these 1,000 years!
  • The wicked are dead during these 1,000 years!
If the enemies are already in subjection, then who are His enemies that Christ is at war with?

1Cor. 15:26
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

If this is their answer:

  • Then why are the dead still dead through the 1,000-year reign of Christ?
  • Shouldn’t this have been the time for Christ to conquer Death?
If after the 1,000-year reign of Christ then death will be destroyed!

  • Then why are the dead being cast into the Lake of Fire, which is the Second DEATH? Rev. 20:18
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

If after the 1,000-year reign of Christ all enemies are under Christ’s feet.

Then why is Satan loosed to deceive the world, nations and people again?

  • Faulty assumptions leads to faulty conclusions!
  • Faulty conclusions leads to a faulty theory,
Temporary Hell, ignorant theory of Purgatory!
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truth101 said…Once all has been put in subjection to Christ it is evident that God the Father is accepted (by all). At this point God can be ALL IN ALL because up until this point Gods plan was not completed.

And it seems that after their so-called 1,000-year kingdom age reign of Christ, God plan is still incomplete!

· Satan is loosed deceiving the earth, nations and people!
· The dead are in the Lake of Fire experiencing the Second Death!
· The Believer’s have no place to go!
1. The 1,000-year reign is finished!
2. The New heaven and earth no longer exists!
3. Jesus didn’t promise them eternal life, only to reign 1,000 years!

truth101 said…Now that all has been put into subjection, God is able to be all in all. As long as there was still sin and wickedness and rebellion Christ had to reign.

If Christ is supposed to reign until all rebellion, sin and wickedness is put into subjection.

· Then what is Satan doing loosed, deceiving the earth, nations and people!
· Look’s like sin, wickedness and rebellion is at it’s worst!



truth101 said…Remember "For He MUST REIGN TILL(signifying an end once the following is completed) he hath put all enemies under his feet.

Then this must not be signifying an end or pointing to:

· The New Heaven and New earth!
· The 1,000-year reign of Christ!


truth101 said…The word "till" provides us with a clear understanding that His aionios reign (kingdom reign) ends. He reigns "till".

If fact it exposes the faulty assumptions that were made in order to come to this faulty conclusions that have led them to the belief in a faulty theory of,
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