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Christian Poll (Armageddon)

Would You Defend Your Country Against God?

  • Yes I Would

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Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
I wish you could've debated Isaac Newton with your "man-made mythology equals the Bible". Since he studied it daily and still believed it to be God's Word....you must think he was an idiot.
(Maybe someday, you'll get the chance to debate him.)

So you have no facts to try "refuting" my statements, just offering some alleged opinion. Swell.

How about something more substantial, like some real conclusive proof that the bible mythology was actually "inspired" by the Christian "god".
 

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
Are you really that thick? This is what you posted: "He doesn't need any convoluted "son died for anyone's sins" plot." My post revealed, that the SON of the Most High [IN THE CREATION] 'The Son of Man,' who develops within the body of mankind, just as mankind had developed within the bodies of his animal ancestors, chose to die for the sins of the body in which he developed, in order that the body of mankind in which he developed would continue to live.

If the Son of Man does not die for the sins of mankind, 'the body in which he developed,' then the race of man itself would be held accountable for its sins and all mankind have sinned.

My post had everything to do with what you said in your post.

Yes, I already told you that I am well aware of the Christian bible myth.

But that has nothing to do with my point that if the Christian "god" was so all powerful he would just forgive people of their "sins" without some silly "his son died for everyone's "sins"" plot.

I think it's an insane way to go about "forgiving" someone.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Yipes, I find in Scripture God gave Adam and Eve everything they needed to enjoy life, everlasting life on Earth.
God gave mankind the choice to eat from the forbidden tree or not.
Adam knew before stealing and eating from God's tree it would mean death.
Before breaking God's law, Adam's nature was upright. Upright leaning toward righteousness.
That was God's purpose. There was No suffering involved. They had plenty to eat, drink and enjoy.
The gift of free-will choice then would show everyone they appreciated or not what God gave them.
We don't suffer because of God, but because of God's enemies Satan and then Adam.
No one forced Satan or Adam to rebel. They chose that course of their own free-will choices.
The passing of time allowed for all of us to be born and think who we would like as sovereign over us.
Without allowing that passing of time we simply would never have been born and see life.

URAVIP2ME wrote......….Adam knew before stealing and eating from God's tree it would mean death.

The Anointed...…. He certainly did, because God had told him that on the day he ate thereof, he would die. And he did die on that day at the age of 930.

From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; "And He (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day thou eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason, Adam did not complete the years of that first day; for He died during it." Adam died at the age of 930 in the first day.

The seventh Day is the great Sabbath of one thousand years which is the future reality of the weekly Sabbath, which day begins immediately after the close of the sixth day and the greatest tribulation that this world has ever seen, after which the Lord will establish his throne in Jerusalem and judge the world with Justice by means of a MAN that he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death. See Acts 17: 31.
 

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
URAVIP2ME wrote......….Adam knew before stealing and eating from God's tree it would mean death.

The Anointed...…. He certainly did, because God had told him that on the day he ate thereof, he would die. And he did die on that day at the age of 930.

From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; "And He (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day thou eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason, Adam did not complete the years of that first day; for He died during it." Adam died at the age of 930 in the first day.

The seventh Day is the great Sabbath of one thousand years which is the future reality of the weekly Sabbath, which day begins immediately after the close of the sixth day and the greatest tribulation that this world has ever seen, after which the Lord will establish his throne in Jerusalem and judge the world with Justice by means of a MAN that he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death. See Acts 17: 31.
URAVIP2ME wrote......….Adam knew before stealing and eating from God's tree it would mean death.

The Anointed...…. He certainly did, because God had told him that on the day he ate thereof, he would die. And he did die on that day at the age of 930.

From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; "And He (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day thou eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason, Adam did not complete the years of that first day; for He died during it." Adam died at the age of 930 in the first day.

The seventh Day is the great Sabbath of one thousand years which is the future reality of the weekly Sabbath, which day begins immediately after the close of the sixth day and the greatest tribulation that this world has ever seen, after which the Lord will establish his throne in Jerusalem and judge the world with Justice by means of a MAN that he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death. See Acts 17: 31.

Is that from the made up JW cult teachings?
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Oh, so Jubilees 4: 30 came from the made up Jewish mythology. I was just wondering where that came from. Well, you're in luck, I don't know about that mythology, so carry on.

I suppose if you have never bothered to study the scriptures and being ignorant to the truths revealed therein, you might erroneously think in terms of mythology.

The Hebrew bible mentions the father of Shelah only twice. Once in Genesis 11: 12: "When Arpachshad was 35. he had a son, Shelah.

The only other place where the father of Shelah is mentioned is 1 Chronicles 1: 18; "Arpachshad was the father of Shelah, who was the father of Eber/Heber.

But in Luke 3: 35-36, Luke states that Shelah is the son of Cainam/Kainam, who is the son of Arpachshad.

The book of Jubilees, [Chapter 8]1 In the twenty-ninth jubilee, in the first week, in the beginning thereof Arpachshad took to himself a wife and her name was Rasu’eja, the daughter of Susan, the daughter of Elam, and she 2 bare him a son in the third year in this week, and he called his name Kainam. And the son grew, and his father taught him writing, and he went to seek for himself a place where he might seize for 3 himself a city. And he found a writing which former (generations) had carved on the rock, and he read what was thereon, and he transcribed it and sinned owing to it; for it contained the teaching of the Watchers in accordance with which they used to observe the omens of the sun and moon and 4 stars in all the signs of heaven. And he wrote it down and said nothing regarding it; for he was 5 afraid to speak to Noah about it lest he should be angry with him on account of it. And in the thirtieth jubilee, in the second week, in the first year thereof, he took to himself a wife, and her name was Melka, the daughter of Madai, the son of Japheth, and in the fourth year he begat a son, and 6 called his name Shelah; for he said: ’Truly I have been sent.’
 

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
I suppose if you have never bothered to study the scriptures and being ignorant to the truths revealed therein, you might erroneously think in terms of mythology.

The Hebrew bible mentions the father of Shelah only twice. Once in Genesis 11: 12: "When Arpachshad was 35. he had a son, Shelah.

The only other place where the father of Shelah is mentioned is 1 Chronicles 1: 18; "Arpachshad was the father of Shelah, who was the father of Eber/Heber.

But in Luke 3: 35-36, Luke states that Shelah is the son of Cainam/Kainam, who is the son of Arpachshad.

The book of Jubilees, [Chapter 8]1 In the twenty-ninth jubilee, in the first week, in the beginning thereof Arpachshad took to himself a wife and her name was Rasu’eja, the daughter of Susan, the daughter of Elam, and she 2 bare him a son in the third year in this week, and he called his name Kainam. And the son grew, and his father taught him writing, and he went to seek for himself a place where he might seize for 3 himself a city. And he found a writing which former (generations) had carved on the rock, and he read what was thereon, and he transcribed it and sinned owing to it; for it contained the teaching of the Watchers in accordance with which they used to observe the omens of the sun and moon and 4 stars in all the signs of heaven. And he wrote it down and said nothing regarding it; for he was 5 afraid to speak to Noah about it lest he should be angry with him on account of it. And in the thirtieth jubilee, in the second week, in the first year thereof, he took to himself a wife, and her name was Melka, the daughter of Madai, the son of Japheth, and in the fourth year he begat a son, and 6 called his name Shelah; for he said: ’Truly I have been sent.’

So you try "proving" it's not mythology by posting some of it's mythology, how special.

The only truths I' interested in are spiritual truths, of which any version of the bible mythology is completely void of.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
So you try "proving" it's not mythology by posting some of it's mythology, how special.

The only truths I' interested in are spiritual truths, of which any version of the bible mythology is completely void of.

Like I said, It only appears to be myth to those who are unfamiliar with the truths as revealed in the holy scriptures.

You say that you are only interested in spiritual truths, would you care to share those spiritual truths, with supporting evidence of course.
 

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
Like I said, It only appears to be myth to those who are unfamiliar with the truths as revealed in the holy scriptures.

You say that you are only interested in spiritual truths, would you care to share those spiritual truths, with supporting evidence of course.

Geez...

No end of deceitful tactics of avoidance from you Christians I see.

There is no skipping ahead, you STILL haven't presented any facts "proving" the bible isn't mythology.

I'm still waiting...
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Geez...

No end of deceitful tactics of avoidance from you Christians I see.

There is no skipping ahead, you STILL haven't presented any facts "proving" the bible isn't mythology.

I'm still waiting...

I don't have to. I will just wait until you provide your so called facts that you believe can prove the bible to be no more than mythology, then I will tear that so called evidence into pieces.

BTW, How can I present facts that would prove the bible to be mythology, when itself is fact, and no such evidence to prove otherwise, exists.
 
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BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
You prove yourself to be biblically ignorant, if you believe that those nations which will surround Jerusalem, in their attempt to drive God's chosen people into the sea, will turn their weapons against God. Nope! It is written that they will become so confused they will turn their weapons against their own Allies.

Psalm 2:

The kings of the earth rise up
and the rulers band together
against the Lord and against his anointed, saying,
3 “Let us break their chains
and throw off their shackles.”

4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
the Lord scoffs at them.
5 He rebukes them in his anger
and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
6 “I have installed my king
on Zion, my holy mountain.”
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Psalm 2:

The kings of the earth rise up
and the rulers band together
against the Lord and against his anointed, saying,
3 “Let us break their chains
and throw off their shackles.”

4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
the Lord scoffs at them.
5 He rebukes them in his anger
and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
6 “I have installed my king
on Zion, my holy mountain.”

Another prophecy pointing to day when the Lord will have installed his chosen King and High priest in Jerusalem.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
But only after he has defeated those nations that surround Israel in their attempts to drive God's chosen people into the sea.
To believe that the Lord will not go out to fight those nations, before establishing his earthly throne in Jerusalem, is to deny the word of God.

I am Not sure what you are saying ^above^ because at Revelation 19:14-16; Isaiah 11:3-4 does show that God will have Jesus step in with angelic armies. The Lord Jesus (Commander in Chief) goes out to fight......Psalms 2
The executional 'words' from Jesus' mouth will rid the Earth of wickedness.

The political powers that be will turn on ALL religion, beginning with un-faithful Christendom (Christian in name only).
So, the starting point is Not with any fleshly nations surrounding Israel, but with corrupted Christendom.

I find at Galatians 4:26 that the 'seat of government' is located at ' heavenly Jerusalem ' above.
Jesus was resurrected to Heaven. Jesus reigns from Heaven.
Even today an invisible-heavenly Jesus is Head of the earthly Christian congregation.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
And... Psalm 2 specifically describes nations taking up a cause to fight God and His Armies.
...and since the opposing nations can Not see God and can Not see His armies, then those opposing nations will go after what they can see: go after God's people on Earth.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Oh, so Jubilees 4: 30 came from the made up Jewish mythology. I was just wondering where that came from. Well, you're in luck, I don't know about that mythology, so carry on.

Jubilees is Not part of biblical canon.
The '66' Bible books are supported by the ancient manuscripts.
The apocryphal books simply exclude themselves being out of harmony with the harmonious '66' books.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Another prophecy pointing to day when the Lord will have installed his chosen King and High priest in Jerusalem.
I find since Pentecost, it is No longer fleshly national Israel but now 'spiritual Israel '- Galatians 4:26.
Jesus abandoned that fleshly national house as per Matthew 23:38.
Now by spirit as per Romans 2:28-29.
'Spiritual Israel' is Not located on any map and has No borders, No boundaries as fleshly Israel.
 
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