The book of Revelation should be discarded

JJ50 said:

wonder if the guy was drunk when he wrote it.

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The guy??

IndigoChild5559 said:

The inclusions of Revelation in the canon of the Christian Scriptures was made on the collective authority of the Catholic/EO bishops (they were one church at that time) during an ecumenical council. I see no reasons why Protestants, who reject the authority of the church and the infallibility of the Councils, couldn't drop Revelation, or any other book they want. Or add.

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That is true, but there are billions of Bibles out there in English and in every other language. They can't just drop a book out of the Bible. Its impossible.

Faithofchristian said:

Well first of all, man didn't make the decision whether or not the book of Revelation should be added.

Seeing the book of Revelation belongs to Christ Jesus, then of course Christ Jesus would see to it that his book of Revelation was added. To give account of his second coming and what is to happen just before his coming and after his coming.

In the book of Revelation, there's one prophecy that is to happen that brings about Christ Jesus second coming, Until this prophecy happens Christ Jesus can not return until this last prophecy happens first, and when this prophecy happens the tribulation is over.

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Actually, man did make the decision. In fact, Luther removed several books from the original bible, and also wanted James & Revelation removed.

JJ50 said:

Revelation, which very nearly didn't make it into the Bible, is open to a myriad of interpretations, many of which are completely off the wall. They would be amusing if it wasn't for extreme Biblical literalists who use that book to bolster their crazy end times and hell fire threats.

The moderate Christians of my acquaintance don't buy Revelation at all, and share my thoughts on the topic.

What do posters on this forum think about ditching that book?

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Regardless of how or by whom, God decides what information will reach which people.

Prophecy allows those who "have an ear" to hear and prepare, but it is also as a witness to all -to show that it was written and declared beforehand, but mostly (for most) as a reference during and after the events prophesied -for understanding and to allow for correct decisions.

Getting rid of that book or entire bibles (a "famine of the word" is actually prophesied) would not keep crazies from being crazy -they would find other excuses.

Revelation gives much detail about the "great tribulation" and the "great and terrible day of the Lord" -and only seems confusing or purely symbolic without an in-depth study of it and other scriptures.
Much of it is happening already -and the rest will continue to happen.

It also describes the end of all war, the kingdoms of the world becoming the kngdoms of God and Christ, the first and second resurrections, the end of death and the grave, etc. which will also happen whether we read it or not.

Might as well keep a copy (an old print copy might be advisable if people do try to get rid of it or change it) just in case. For many, these things will happen "as a thief in the night" because they did not prepare -but when things get weird and the things written are happening, you might think differently and want to read it.

JJ50 said:

Revelation, which very nearly didn't make it into the Bible, is open to a myriad of interpretations, many of which are completely off the wall. They would be amusing if it wasn't for extreme Biblical literalists who use that book to bolster their crazy end times and hell fire threats.

The moderate Christians of my acquaintance don't buy Revelation at all, and share my thoughts on the topic.

What do posters on this forum think about ditching that book?

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The bottom line is humans can never know the future while the book of revelation is all about the future. God claims to be the Alpha and Omega that the Bible is thus with Genesis marks our beginning and Revelation our end. As a result, you can't add or remove anything unless you have the capability to know to future.

JJ50 said:

Revelation, which very nearly didn't make it into the Bible, is open to a myriad of interpretations, many of which are completely off the wall. They would be amusing if it wasn't for extreme Biblical literalists who use that book to bolster their crazy end times and hell fire threats.

The moderate Christians of my acquaintance don't buy Revelation at all, and share my thoughts on the topic.

What do posters on this forum think about ditching that book?

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I don't think "St. John the Divine" was all that divine...

Faithofchristian said:

Well first of all, man didn't make the decision whether or not the book of Revelation should be added.

Seeing the book of Revelation belongs to Christ Jesus, then of course Christ Jesus would see to it that his book of Revelation was added. To give account of his second coming and what is to happen just before his coming and after his coming.

In the book of Revelation, there's one prophecy that is to happen that brings about Christ Jesus second coming, Until this prophecy happens Christ Jesus can not return until this last prophecy happens first, and when this prophecy happens the tribulation is over.

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You may be theologically correct but you are not historically correct.

WalterTrull said:

The guy??

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Drunk or really high.

loganonekenobi said:

You may be theologically correct but you are not historically correct.

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Historically, the book was written by John, the only apostle "arranged" not to be martyred. He's so chosen for a reason. The book of Revelation is such a reason as God would mark the book of Genesis as how this world started and Revelation as how this world would end. That's the theology!

Hubert Farnsworth said:

Actually, man did make the decision. In fact, Luther removed several books from the original bible, and also wanted James & Revelation removed.

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It's obvious you have no understanding or knowledge who makes the decision what books should be left and taken out and it sure isn't man

loganonekenobi said:

You may be theologically correct but you are not historically correct.

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Either way, I'm still correct.

Faithofchristian said:

It's obvious you have no understanding or knowledge who makes the decision what books should be left and taken out and it sure isn't man

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Lol, the books of the bible were literally decided by vote at the Council of Nicaea, and more were removed after Luther's time by the Protestants. Now Protestants and Catholics don't even use the same bible.

Brickjectivity said:

That is true, but there are billions of Bibles out there in English and in every other language. They can't just drop a book out of the Bible. Its impossible.

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They could do what the Lutherans do, and simply teach that it is disputed canon or not canon, while using the same Bible. Or they could do what the Watchtower and Catholic Church do and publish their own Bibles.

JJ50 said:

I think Revelation is a crazy book, and wonder if the guy was drunk when he wrote it.

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I've never used them myself, but I have heard from others that it reads like something inspired by psilocybin mushrooms (which have inspired spiritual revelations and experiences in people for millennia).

JJ50 said:

The Bible comes over as a very human creation with no input from any external entity.

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What books don't? We can say that about every book that was ever written.

JJ50 said:

Revelation, which very nearly didn't make it into the Bible, is open to a myriad of interpretations, many of which are completely off the wall. They would be amusing if it wasn't for extreme Biblical literalists who use that book to bolster their crazy end times and hell fire threats.

The moderate Christians of my acquaintance don't buy Revelation at all, and share my thoughts on the topic.

What do posters on this forum think about ditching that book?

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Can't blame the book for the crazy interpretations.

There is a lot of really good and relevant stuff in there.

JJ50 said:

I think Revelation is a crazy book, and wonder if the guy was drunk when he wrote it.

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It's a very evocative and visually striking text. Again, if you read my comment again - it's that Revelation requires contextual and referential exegesis to understand. If you're already familiar with the prophetic texts in the Tanakh ("Old" testament) then the apparent random, chaotic imagery (which btw has been a massive influence on modern occultism more than any other text) would seem rather less reactionary but it is quite an 'intoxicating' text to read in and of itself - but this is not a negative thing.

(surely at the least, you could approach it as a piece of art and react like "woah, this is awesome!" - heck, I'm not a Christian and the theology I'm grounded is, is opposed to mainstream Christian theology yet there is still something for someone like me to appreciate in it........even when I was an atheist)

Faithofchristian said:

Either way, I'm still correct.

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No. only one way you MAY be correct. THe other way has lots of scholars who study the new testaments for a living that would say you are wrong. I will appeal to their authority if they happen to be experts of the subject.
I'd be more interested to see the lost books on christianity such as from the Marcionites, Ebionites, and Gnostics. Those would be much more fun.

JJ50 said:

Revelation, which very nearly didn't make it into the Bible, is open to a myriad of interpretations, many of which are completely off the wall. They would be amusing if it wasn't for extreme Biblical literalists who use that book to bolster their crazy end times and hell fire threats.

The moderate Christians of my acquaintance don't buy Revelation at all, and share my thoughts on the topic.

What do posters on this forum think about ditching that book?

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My humble understanding is that one of the proofs that Jesus has returned is He will unseal the meanings of the Books.

‘He shall guide you into all truth and He shall take of mine and show it unto you. (Gospels) John 16:13

Rev 5. 1-5

And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? 3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

I believe that those who know Who the Lion of the tribe of Judah is know the meanings of the Book.

Every Christian says it is Christ but in Revelation Jesus says He will come with a ‘new name’.

There are dozens of other clues in Revelation and amazingly accurate historical data about Islam. Yes. I think there’s about entire chapter dedicated to the history of Islam, where it will appear and how long is it’s duration.

Although there are erroneous interpretations, I believe this was unsealed not by men but by the Promised One Himself.

If the books in the bible were classified like other literature.... then Revelation would be fantasy, science fiction or Horror.
As a read it is certainly "Interesting", but hardly something to rely on, for matters of faith.