Homosexuality... is sorta allowed in Islam but not really

Just from reading some hadiths on this. But i never stumbled upon this before.

Source: Hadith - Book of Wedlock, Marriage (Nikaah) - Sahih al-Bukhari - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Gonna write little of what this says. For full context the source is above

"And narrated Abu Ja'far, "If a person commits homosexuality with a boy, then the mother of that boy is unlawful for him to marry."

A little confusing to read, but if i am not wrong here. I think it says. If you do gay sex once, you cannot marry, ever.

But there are also incases where people who do what People of Lot did its death penalty. Which i assume means spreading homosexual environments, perversions, unhospital environments etc. Just the overall worst character of a human, which is more or less just entirely corrupt.

Source: Hadith - The Chapters on Legal Punishments - Sunan Ibn Majah - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

So it would be more on the line of Russia with "Anti homosexual propaganda law" where you can be gay... you just cant promote it as good or fine or corrupt people with perversion etc.

It also condemns effeminate men too "ironic since i know a Christian who is insanely effeminate, and i personally always get annoyed by him. Even though its bad of me to think that way i guess but it really drives me nuts"

Though i dont mind if females are masculines as in course of action "though denying your nature would be unrealistic to me and against nature" atleast how i see it.

Hadith - Book of Military Expeditions led by the Prophet (pbuh) (Al-Maghaazi) - Sahih al-Bukhari - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)
Hadith - Chapters on Manners - Jami` at-Tirmidhi - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

In either case. Just wondering your view on it?. Here is one example of interview of a gay asking that question. (which i cant find) but it was a video of a gay guy asking not sure if it was imam or a cleric. But he said he should be put to death for being gay "probably for promoting it"


I personally am kind of finding this whole sexuality thing just sort of a boring hobby. Since i think most are born straight, being sexuality into whatever is abnormal factor of what nature intended you to do and that is to implant into someone and just have a family etc.

And i am also sort of tired of the argument, animals do it. Yeah aswell as eating feces and eating their own offspring. Doesnt mean it is right for us to do it aswell? Humans argue morality based on philosophy not what animals do.

But yeah. Just wanted to cover the last part since i hear it so often and i just want to sigh that nobody in public figure has called this out yet. I am either case wondering your views?

Siru said:

"And narrated Abu Ja'far, "If a person commits homosexuality with a boy, then the mother of that boy is unlawful for him to marry."

A little confusing to read, but if i am not wrong here. I think it says. If you do gay sex once, you cannot marry, ever.

But there are also incases where people who do what People of Lot did its death penalty. Which i assume means spreading homosexual environments, perversions, unhospital environments etc. Just the overall worst character of a human, which is more or less just entirely corrupt.

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I think it's talking about bacha bazzi and saying that the mother of the boy becomes off limits to the adult male.

Siru said:

Since i think most are born straight, being sexuality into whatever is abnormal factor of what nature intended you to do and that is to implant into someone and just have a family etc.

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So would you stone barren women and men because they are as unable to have a family due to nature as gays are

Humans argue morality based on philosophy not what animals do.

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Except that people who argue gays should be stoned are not arguing based on philosophy, they are arguing based on ancient outdated traditions.

It makes absolutely no sense to me why anyone could think that homosexuality is worst than murder.

Siru said:

"And narrated Abu Ja'far, "If a person commits homosexuality with a boy, then the mother of that boy is unlawful for him to marry."

A little confusing to read, but if i am not wrong here. I think it says. If you do gay sex once, you cannot marry, ever.

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I'd interpret that as if a man has sex with a boy, he can't marry his mother. Do you have a reason to interpret this differently? Seem pretty straightforward to me.

Siru said:

I personally am kind of finding this whole sexuality thing just sort of a boring hobby. Since i think most are born straight, being sexuality into whatever is abnormal factor of what nature intended you to do and that is to implant into someone and just have a family etc.

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I'm confused by this passage. Some questions:
1. Do you see sexuality as a hobby, or do you see your own studies of religious views on sexuality as a hobby?
It sounds like you recognize that people are born with their sexual orientations. You're right about most people being born straight.
2. What's this stuff about abnormal factor of nature..? Are you saying that nature is different from god? If so, what does nature intend? How do we know?
3. Is homosexuality is caused by "chance" or "accident" rather than by nature or by god? Again, how do we know?


Oh, and one more thing. If you recognize that people are born as straight, gay, bi, etc, why does it matter what people promote? It won't matter, just like any propaganda in the world can't change our height, natural eye color etc, no propaganda will change peoples sexualities.

Siru said:

just want to sigh that nobody in public figure has called this out yet. I am either case wondering your views?

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Hadiths are not reliable. The question is does the Quran require heterosexuality. While it seems to take it as a presumption it does not speak against homosexuality.

Remté said:

Hadiths are not reliable. The question is does the Quran require heterosexuality. While it seems to take it as a presumption it does not speak against homosexuality.

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I'm gonna take this back, it does on some level.

But I would like to add that the Quran on no way allows the killing of homosexuals. What happened with Lut is that God punished them - not Lut. So people do not have permission to do that. Also it wasn't just about homosexuality.

I've always felt that part of the reason Islam is so messed up in its treatment of women in because many Muslims (including Muhammad) have actually been homosexual but were ashamed to admit it. Deeply closeting something tends to make it come out some other way. You see the same deal in the church, no marriage = child abuse. Here, no gayness = young girls (no developed chest, same difference).