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"The Most Controversial Bible Verse": Jesus Is Written Out Of The Salvation Equation

TheresOnlyNow

The Mind Is Everything. U R What U Think
The thread title is false. The video does not state Jesus is written out of the Salvation Equation.

Prayerfully no one who seeks to know what Christianity is takes that man seriously. His omission is deadly.

2 Sam 22:21 The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness: according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me. 22 For I have kept the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God. 23 For all his judgments were before me: and as for his statutes, I did not depart from them. 24 I was also upright before him, and have kept myself from mine iniquity. 25 Therefore the LORD hath recompensed me according to my righteousness; according to my cleanness in his eye sight.


Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. ... 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

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Skwim

Veteran Member
The thread title is false. The video does not state Jesus is written out of the Salvation Equation.
And I never said the video stated as much. Please note the quotation marks. However, the message of the video is quite clear: Jesus is unnecessary to avoid hell and wind up in heaven. In effect, he's been written out of the salvation equation.

Prayerfully no one who seeks to know what Christianity is takes that man seriously. His omission is deadly.
Which I assume means that one HAS TO accept Jesus as their lord in order to be saved. If so, then explain away all the verses he quotes.

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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
There's no controversial in and about
1 John 3:7, once a person puts all the pieces of the bible/scriptures together.

It only shows this guy hasn't a clue or idea what 1 John 3:7 is actually saying.he's only showing his ignorance.

1 John 3:7--"Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous"

In I John 3:7, We find John writing
( Little children) meaning all those who are not weaned from the milk of the word into the spiritual meat of the word/bible/scriptures, are being referred to as Little children.

It's like a little baby who only drinks milk, not able yet to eat meat.
So it is, with people even though adults are still drinking the milk of the word/bible/scriptures, that haven't been weaned from the milk and into eating the spiritual meat of the word/bible/scriptures.

So it is that John is trying to reach out to those people to get them off the milk and into the spiritual meat of the word/bible/scriptures.

And then we find John writing ( Let no man deceive you)

If a person was to go to Matthew 24:4, here we find Christ Jesus saying the same thing

Matthew 24:4--"And Jesus answered and said unto them, "Take heed that No man deceive you"

So the question is, Who is this man, That Jesus and 1 John are referring to?

In 2 Thessalonians 2:3, here we find Paul writing about this man.

2 Thessalonians 2:3--"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of Perdition"

So here we find Paul writing about this man,
But who is this man,That I John and Jesus and now Paul is referring to?

Note that Paul had also written,
( For that day shall not come)
And just what day is this?
This being the day, when that man comes to deceive people.
Then Paul written ( except there come a falling away first)

So before this man comes, there will be a falling away first.
This means that there will be a falling away from the truth of God's word the bible/scriptures.
This is what Paul's referring to.

Then Paul written ( and that man of sin be revealed, the son of Perdition)

The meaning, definition of Perdition means

"A state of eternal punishment and damnation into which a sinful and unrepentance person passes after death"

So it is with this man, is face with eternal punishment and damnation into which his sinful and unrepentance leads him to eternal destruction to his death.

There is only one man that has been already judge and sentence to everlasting eternal damnation death.

In the book of Ezekiel we can find who this is.

Ezekiel 28:13-18--"Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee"



For those people who were deceived, will look upon him in amazement just how they were deceived by this man of sin, the son of Perdition.

Some call him Lucifer and some call him Satan the Devil, that old serpent.



So it is that 1John 3:7 isn't controversial at all, it's that this guy like alot of people have no understanding or knowledge what the Bible/scriptures supports or Confirm's. this only means they are little children that haven't been weaned off the milk of the word/ bible/scriptures into the spiritual meat of the word/bible/scriptures.

All the while people are looking for an actual man to appear, but the man of sin, the son of Perdition will slip right in the back door on them, Thereby people are being deceived already and don't even know it.

As it is written --"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned"

1 Corinthians 2:14
 

TheresOnlyNow

The Mind Is Everything. U R What U Think
And I never said the video stated as much. Please note the quotation marks.
The quotation marks rightly represent the video title itself. The latter part of the thread title is your addition.
However, the message of the video is quite clear: Jesus is unnecessary to avoid hell and wind up in heaven. In effect, he's been written out of the salvation equation.[/quote] No, never happened.
The man is simply trying to promote a false doctrine that espouses an ages old falsehood. Works saves.
That the man hopes to teach Jesus isn't necessary for salvation is his ignorance or fault.
The very real fact is Jesus can never be written out of the Salvation equation because the Bible is written to put Jesus squarely within the Salvation equation. Man's omission is not greater than God's plan.


Which I assume means that one HAS TO accept Jesus as their lord in order to be saved. If so, then explain away all the verses he quotes.
Wilful ignorance or patent stupidity.


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Skwim

Veteran Member
The man is simply trying to promote a false doctrine that espouses an ages old falsehood. Works saves.
That the man hopes to teach Jesus isn't necessary for salvation is his ignorance or fault.
The very real fact is Jesus can never be written out of the Salvation equation because the Bible is written to put Jesus squarely within the Salvation equation. Man's omission is not greater than God's plan.


Wilful ignorance or patent stupidity.
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I know cherry picking verses is a neat way to resolve scriptural difficulties, but simply ignoring the other verses doesn't make them go away.
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TheresOnlyNow

The Mind Is Everything. U R What U Think
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I know cherry picking verses is a neat way to resolve scriptural difficulties, but simply ignoring the other verses doesn't make them go away.
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very true. Unfortunately the OP author saw fit to try that method so as to denounce the part of Jesus in Salvation.
Yes, it is pathetic. But here we are.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
very true. Unfortunately the OP author saw fit to try that method so as to denounce the part of Jesus in Salvation.
Yes, it is pathetic. But here we are.
Honestly, I believe he did it to show how badly Christians must cherry-pick the Bible in order to make their case. If Christians paid any attention to the passages he quoted they'd be in a whole mess of trouble trying to reconcile the contradictory messages.

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TheresOnlyNow

The Mind Is Everything. U R What U Think
Honestly, I believe he did it to show how badly Christians must cherry-pick the Bible in order to make their case. If Christians paid any attention to the passages he quoted they'd be in a whole mess of trouble trying to reconcile the contradictory messages.

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No.
The Bible isn't written for unbelievers to understand. That's why an unbeliever thinks that there are passages in scripture that remove Jesus from the Salvation equation.
When in truth that does not happen in scripture.
The video was made by someone who cherry picks the scriptures . They know their motives. While Christians know that passage the video producer refers to is not a controversial scripture.
Context is key. This is something that video producer is clearly unaware of.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
No.
The Bible isn't written for unbelievers to understand. That's why an unbeliever thinks that there are passages in scripture that remove Jesus from the Salvation equation.
When in truth that does not happen in scripture.
The video was made by someone who cherry picks the scriptures . They know their motives. While Christians know that passage the video producer refers to is not a controversial scripture.
Context is key. This is something that video producer is clearly unaware of.
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You funny guy!​

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Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
This video is a joke. :rolleyes:

John the Baptist identified Jesus as "the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world."

Without Jesus cancelling our sin, we could never achieve righteousness in the first place....we would be "dead in our sins and trespasses".

Jesus' audience were all Jews who were under law, so naturally he would tell Jews to keep it. The new covenant was not instituted until the night before Jesus died. Only Christians are taken into the new covenant. There were no other sacrifices needed after that because Christ fulfilled the law by offering the ultimate sacrifice.

Jews could become disciples of Christ if they chose to be, but no one gets to heaven unless they are chosen by God for rulership with Christ. (Revelation 20:6) No one gets chosen unless they have a record of faithfulness with God. It's not difficult to comprehend, surely?

You can't cancel out Jesus and expect to win Brownie points with God. This guy's reasoning is laughable. :confused:
 

TheresOnlyNow

The Mind Is Everything. U R What U Think
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You funny guy!​
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I have my moments. However, I am a Christian. If you don't like actual answers that conflict with your hope that Christ can be found to be extricated from the Salvation scriptures, don't post errant videos that can be proven false.

You have an issue with God. So what. That's your issue. The Salvation scriptures are clear and concise. And those who oppose them have been trying to demean their import since they entered print. And have failed.
As your thread has.
The video guy? Is either inexperienced, an atheist that wants to think they've found a most controversial scripture that actually is no such thing for those skilled or learned in Apologetics, or he's a Troll who hopes his video is found worthy of sharing in forums where his kind live to throw phlegm at The Word by hoping to attack the word.

Which is great fun while their life lasts. Then comes the great surprise.

Your boy is wrong.
Deal with it.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
I have my moments. However, I am a Christian. If you don't like actual answers that conflict with your hope that Christ can be found to be extricated from the Salvation scriptures, don't post errant videos that can be proven false.
Your mere assertion that they're false means zilch.

Gotta come up with evidence that the scripture quoted in the video doesn't mean what it says it does.

We await.
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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Not with any real hope, you understand.



You have an issue with God. So what. That's your issue.
If you haven't noticed, I'm an agnostic, so I hardly have an issue with any god. If I have any issues concerning god, primarily the Abrahamic one, it's with what his followers say about him. On the whole they're not very astute folk.

The Salvation scriptures are clear and concise.
Not sure what you consider to be the "Salvation scriptures," so your remark here isn't very meaningful.

The video guy? Is either inexperienced, an atheist that wants to think they've found a most controversial scripture that actually is no such thing for those skilled or learned in Apologetics, or he's a Troll who hopes his video is found worthy of sharing in forums where his kind live to throw phlegm at The Word by hoping to attack the word.
Ahhh, You believe you're skilled or learned in apologetics do you. So, which one is it, skilled or learned, and why do I get the feeling you're neither? Hmmmmm. . . . . . . In any case, in view of your rather caustic responses here, it's evident the video has hit pretty close to home. Much closer than you're willing to admit. :D

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