Thoughts on the Fall of Adam

URAVIP2ME said:

I am wondering why an ex, when you can go to a non-ex at www.jw.org and www.Jehovah'sWitnessesBroadcasting.

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They don't seem to trust those, I suppose, but the link has 11 answers, and of the 11, he chose the one with the lies - an ex. It's no wonder the page she linked was broken.
However, out of the 11 answers, a good few gave reasonable answers that confirm what we were saying.

URAVIP2ME said:

Perhaps most of Christendom believes ( Christendom 'so-called Christians' but mostly 'in name only' )
ALL first-century Christians believed Jesus is the Son of their God, so genuine Christians today also believe that.
Jesus believed who he was when he answered at John 10:36.

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But all of Christendom is now being brainwashed to believe that jesus IS their "god", so as the "old school" Christians pass on, that lie will become the new Christian belief.

URAVIP2ME said:

I am wondering how any biblical interpretation of Genesis 9:4 can mean it's okay to eat (consume) blood.
Also, to me it is plain English at Leviticus 17:10-12 it is Not okay to eat (consume) any manner of blood.
Plus, Deuteronomy 12:23-24 clearly says to me Not to eat (consume) blood.
Coming up to the first century, Christianity as found at Acts of the Apostles 15:20,29 I find it says abstain from blood.
It is up to 'Caesar' if he wants to outlaw blood. It is up each individual if he wants to follow Scripture or not.
I find 'non-blood management' is the biblical view set forth for both the past and present as found at www.jw.org.

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So you are a JW?

He is

Ancient Soul said:

But all of Christendom is now being brainwashed to believe that jesus IS their "god", so as the "old school" Christians pass on, that lie will become the new Christian belief.

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Some things are so deeply embedded in people's minds that anything different is hard to erase.
So, the mirage continues......

I just had a conversation with a person defending infant baptism even though Not taught in Scripture.
The reason for the defence was some un-scriptural tradition called confirmation.
Confirmation made infant baptism as being scriptural in her mind.

Ancient Soul said:

So you are a JW?

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I am here to talk about what we can learn from the Bible, what the Bible really teaches, and Not religions in general.

Undecided.

URAVIP2ME said:

Some things are so deeply embedded in people's minds that anything different is hard to erase.
So, the mirage continues......

I just had a conversation with a person defending infant baptism even though Not taught in Scripture.
The reason for the defence was some un-scriptural tradition called confirmation.
Confirmation made infant baptism as being scriptural in her mind.

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Exactly what I keep on saying.

Christians are being brainwashed to blindly believe in things that are NOT really in the bible. And once they are brainwashed, they are completely unable to actually SEE what the verse(s) really states, just see what they are TOLD the verse(s) means. And nothing anybody says will ever get thru to them. Their minds were hijacked and they will never get their minds back.

URAVIP2ME said:

I am here to talk about what we can learn from the Bible, what the Bible really teaches, and Not religions in general.

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Oh, that's easy!

The bible teaches nothing truly spiritual. So you are wasting your time on it if you want true spiritual answers.

Ancient Soul said:

Oh, that's easy!
The bible teaches nothing truly spiritual. So you are wasting your time on it if you want true spiritual answers.

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I am wondering what is Not spiritual about the fruitage of God's spirit as listed at Galatians 5:22-23 __________

Vaderecta said:

That is correct. I could recommend books and studies but not sure you care to even research it on your own.
Violence - Wikipedia
Ethnographic and Archaeological Evidence on Violent Deaths

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The world troubles mentioned at 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13 does Not have to mean all out violence, etc.
But that the 'love' of the greater number of people cools off in these last days of badness on Earth.
Humans are preoccupied as per Luke 17:26-30. Preoccupied with: food, drink, planting, buying, selling and building.....
As a matter of Scripture, I find we are nearing the 'final signal', so to speak of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3.
Because the 'powers that be' will be saying, "Peace and Security..." as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before Jesus, as Prince or Peace, will be the one who will bring Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.

Ancient Soul said:

Oh, that's easy!

The bible teaches nothing truly spiritual. So you are wasting your time on it if you want true spiritual answers.

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URAVIP2ME said:

I am wondering what is Not spiritual about the fruitage of God's spirit as listed at Galatians 5:22-23 __________

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Thanks for helping me prove my topmost point, and another one I frequently make.

Now I maintain that the bible holds no true spiritual answers.

The entire mythology is based upon these spiritual matters:

God - a SPIRITUAL Deity
Soul - a SPIRITUAL entity
God's judgment - a SPIRITUAL process
Heaven - a SPIRITUAL place
The "afterlife" - a SPIRITUAL existence

So go and try finding a verse or verses that fully describes:

What is God's true spiritual nature?
What is a soul?
What is involved in God's judgment process?
What is Heaven really like?
What is the "afterlife" going to be like and what will you be doing there for all eternity?

And I want COMPLETE descriptions that gives a full understanding of each of those spiritual matters. And no tricks like claiming "this" means "that" or "that" means "this', etc. Each verse should stand on it's own merit.

And the other point is how the bible, not having any true spiritual answers, makes up a placebo and falsely calims that it's "spiritual" as proven in the verse you quoted to me:

Galatians 5:22-23


22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

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Now I pointed out the above TRUE spiritual matters, this verse proves my point by having nothing really spiritual mentioned, but just a silly substitute/placebo.

Ancient Soul said:

Galatians 5:22-23

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

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Do you have all these?

Ancient Soul said:

Thanks for helping me prove my topmost point, and another one I frequently make.

Now I maintain that the bible holds no true spiritual answers.

The entire mythology is based upon these spiritual matters:

God - a SPIRITUAL Deity
Soul - a SPIRITUAL entity
God's judgment - a SPIRITUAL process
Heaven - a SPIRITUAL place
The "afterlife" - a SPIRITUAL existence

So go and try finding a verse or verses that fully describes:

What is God's true spiritual nature?
What is a soul?
What is involved in God's judgment process?
What is Heaven really like?
What is the "afterlife" going to be like and what will you be doing there for all eternity?

And I want COMPLETE descriptions that gives a full understanding of each of those spiritual matters. And no tricks like claiming "this" means "that" or "that" means "this', etc. Each verse should stand on it's own merit.

And the other point is how the bible, not having any true spiritual answers, makes up a placebo and falsely calims that it's "spiritual" as proven in the verse you quoted to me:

Galatians 5:22-23


22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

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Now I pointed out the above TRUE spiritual matters, this verse proves my point by having nothing really spiritual mentioned, but just a silly substitute/placebo.

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nPeace said:

Do you have all these?

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Ha! What's the matter, you cannot find any of those true SPIRITUAL matters as I challenged you to try finding in the bible, so you try sidetracking the issue to something else?

Come on, face it head on and go prove me wrong if you can.

Ancient Soul said:

God - a SPIRITUAL Deity
Soul - a SPIRITUAL entity
God's judgment - a SPIRITUAL process
Heaven - a SPIRITUAL place
The "afterlife" - a SPIRITUAL existence
So go and try finding a verse or verses that fully describes:
What is God's true spiritual nature?
What is a soul?
What is involved in God's judgment process?
What is Heaven really like?
What is the "afterlife" going to be like and what will you be doing there for all eternity?
And the other point is how the bible, not having any true spiritual answers, makes up a placebo and falsely calims that it's "spiritual" as proven in the verse you quoted to me:
Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law..

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God is a Spirit person - Hebrews 9:24
Soul is the person himself according to Genesis 2:7.
Not until God breathed the breath of life into lifeless Adam did Adam become a living soul or person.
No where does it say Adam had a soul or possessed a soul rather Adam was a soul / a person.
At death Adam became a dead soul, a life-less soul. The soul that sins dies - Ezekiel 18:4,20.
God's true spiritual nature is His main attributes or qualities of Love, justice, wisdom and mercy.
God's judgement is based on Jesus' New commandment of John 13:34-35.
We are to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has.
Heaven is a place where God and angelic creation lives.
Heaven is God's home address as per 1 Kings 8:39,49. However No ZIP code is mentioned.
'Afterlife' is a false un-biblical teaching. ' Resurrection ' is biblical - Revelation 1:18
Afterlife falsely teaches a person is more alive after death than before death.
The Bible teaches the dead know nothing, nothing but unconscious sleep.
( John 11:11-14; Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 116:17; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 )

What is Heaven really like I suppose since there is No crime in heaven, No war in heaven, No sickness in heaven and No death in heaven, then those healthy conditions exist in heaven. Thus, we are praying for those same heavenly conditions to come to Earth. That is why we are all invited to pray the invitation found at Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come ! Come and bring the 'healing' benefits as mentioned at Revelation 22:2 to Earth for us.

Ancient Soul said:

Ha! What's the matter, you cannot find any of those true SPIRITUAL matters as I challenged you to try finding in the bible, so you try sidetracking the issue to something else?

Come on, face it head on and go prove me wrong if you can.

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I am not sidetracking anything. Why is that always your motto.
I am not dealing with the post to @URAVIP2ME. I left that for him to respond.
I asked a simple question.
Can you answer it?

Ancient Soul said:

Yawn...

I was only talking about the "genesis" myth, no need to spaz out and spam me with a massive Christian propaganda copy and paste job.

Besides, you're not dealing with a novice here, I've been on other Christian forums before so know all of your tactics of deceit.

But I'll play along with your SPAM. At best all that proves is that SOME of the bible incorporated Jewish historical recordings, whoopty do!

My main concern over the bible is that it in no way came from any "god" because it is totally devoid of even the most basic spiritual matter. Now why would any "god" have a massive book written about himself that gives no spiritual understandings at all?

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The Bible offers many spiritual insights but unfortunately few understand or apply them with accurate knowledge. Also the first documents included in the commonly accepted versions of the Bible are historically accepted as having been written by Moses thousands of years ago.

syo said:

Most christians I know hate Eve. And they see the world she gave us mundane. It's sad.

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On the other hand, Adam evidently loved her so much he chose to die and go against God's commandment and go along with her. Because the Bible says it was through Adam (one man) that sin came to all. Romans 5.
"When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam's sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned."

Sharikind said:

The Bible offers many spiritual insights but unfortunately few understand or apply them with accurate knowledge. Also the first documents included in the commonly accepted versions of the Bible are historically accepted as having been written by Moses thousands of years ago.

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What do you mean by "historically accepted"? I gather that scholars regard Moses as a mythological figure; about as real as Harry Potter.

Remember, much of the bible is tribal propaganda.

The problem with Adam and Eve , nobody else was there to remember the story therefore the story was written later on in time and in imagination.