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nPeace

Veteran Member
I respect your religion and your faith in it, but i have already a path with in buddhism i follow :) but yes for christians the path of Jesus and God is the right path
Yes, I thought so. I respect that.
Would you mind sharing a bit with me about Buddhism,
For example, what do you believe about the solution to the world problems shown in this video. Who will solve them?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Yes, I thought so. I respect that.
Would you mind sharing a bit with me about Buddhism,
For example, what do you believe about the solution to the world problems shown in this video. Who will solve them?
As a buddhist i see it a little different then shown in the video, but i do not refuse that Jesus was here to teach a path to Godhood :) But where i see it a bit different is that as human beings it is up to our self to gain the inner wisdom of how to reach a pardise or a Nirvana as it is called in buddhism. In my understanding it is not enought to just believe, one must cultivate mind and body every day to reach toward a life in heaven.

A big difference in buddhism compared to christianity is that we see human life as suffering and try to reach what is called enlightenment, but Buddha does not give us the enlightenment to save us, but he did give the teaching so we can walk the same path he did 2600 years ago.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
As a buddhist i see it a little different then shown in the video, but i do not refuse that Jesus was here to teach a path to Godhood :) But where i see it a bit different is that as human beings it is up to our self to gain the inner wisdom of how to reach a pardise or a Nirvana as it is called in buddhism. In my understanding it is not enought to just believe, one must cultivate mind and body every day to reach toward a life in heaven.

A big difference in buddhism compared to christianity is that we see human life as suffering and try to reach what is called enlightenment, but Buddha does not give us the enlightenment to save us, but he did give the teaching so we can walk the same path he did 2600 years ago.
Thanks
What about death, and worldwide suffering though?
Buddha died, and death and worldwide suffering continue.
Is this the way of life for all eternity, according to Buddhism?
It would seem that this life is all there is - a never ending cycle of death and suffering. Is that what you believe? Why is it that way? Who set it that way?
If that is the case, would not the situation you described in your OP, be expected as a normal part of life, since every man does not strive for enlightenment, or Nirvana?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Thanks
What about death, and worldwide suffering though?
Buddha died, and death and worldwide suffering continue.
Is this the way of life for all eternity, according to Buddhism?
It would seem that this life is all there is - a never ending cycle of death and suffering. Is that what you believe? Why is it that way? Who set it that way?
If that is the case, would not the situation you described in your OP, be expected as a normal part of life, since every man does not strive for enlightenment, or Nirvana?

If we do not reach enlightenment we will be reincarnated/reborn in to this realm of existance again.
Buddha teached the path out of suffering, but we must enlighten to it our self, no free ticket to Nirvana :)
the law of karma ( reaction to action done in past or present moment) will tell if we have high enough virtue, morality and wisdom to reach enlightenment (one part of the enlightenment)
But if we keep doing wrong doings or have wrong view, wrong speech and wrong action, then we can not reach the wisdom.

in buddhism the way out of reincarntion cycle is to understand the 4 noble truth of suffering, and the path out is the 8 folded path

1. Suffering
Life always involves suffering, in obvious and subtle forms. Even when things seem good, we always feel an undercurrent of anxiety and uncertainty inside.

2. The Cause of Suffering
The cause of suffering is craving and fundamental ignorance. We suffer because of our mistaken belief that we are a separate, independent, solid “I.” The painful and futile struggle to maintain this delusion of ego is known as samsara, or cyclic existence.

3. The End of Suffering
The good news is that our obscurations are temporary. They are like passing clouds that obscure the sun of our enlightened nature, which is always present. Therefore, suffering can end because our obscurations can be purified and awakened mind is always available to us.

4. The Path
By living ethically, practicing meditation, and developing wisdom, we can take exactly the same journey to enlightenment and freedom from suffering that the buddhas do. We too can wake up.

and 8 folded path
  • Right understanding: Understanding that the Four Noble Truths are noble and true.

  • Right thought: Determining and resolving to practice Buddhist faith.

  • Right speech: Avoiding slander, gossip, lying, and all forms of untrue and abusive speech.

  • Right conduct: Adhering to the idea of nonviolence (ahimsa), as well as refraining from any form of stealing or sexual impropriety.

  • Right means of making a living: Not slaughtering animals or working at jobs that force you to violate others.

  • Right mental attitude or effort: Avoiding negative thoughts and emotions, such as anger and jealousy.

  • Right mindfulness: Having a clear sense of one’s mental state and bodily health and feelings.

  • Right concentration: Using meditation to reach the highest level of enlightenment.

 

nPeace

Veteran Member
If we do not reach enlightenment we will be reincarnated/reborn in to this realm of existance again.
Buddha teached the path out of suffering, but we must enlighten to it our self, no free ticket to Nirvana :)
the law of karma ( reaction to action done in past or present moment) will tell if we have high enough virtue, morality and wisdom to reach enlightenment (one part of the enlightenment)
But if we keep doing wrong doings or have wrong view, wrong speech and wrong action, then we can not reach the wisdom.

in buddhism the way out of reincarntion cycle is to understand the 4 noble truth of suffering, and the path out is the 8 folded path

1. Suffering
Life always involves suffering, in obvious and subtle forms. Even when things seem good, we always feel an undercurrent of anxiety and uncertainty inside.

2. The Cause of Suffering
The cause of suffering is craving and fundamental ignorance. We suffer because of our mistaken belief that we are a separate, independent, solid “I.” The painful and futile struggle to maintain this delusion of ego is known as samsara, or cyclic existence.

3. The End of Suffering
The good news is that our obscurations are temporary. They are like passing clouds that obscure the sun of our enlightened nature, which is always present. Therefore, suffering can end because our obscurations can be purified and awakened mind is always available to us.

4. The Path
By living ethically, practicing meditation, and developing wisdom, we can take exactly the same journey to enlightenment and freedom from suffering that the buddhas do. We too can wake up.

and 8 folded path
  • Right understanding: Understanding that the Four Noble Truths are noble and true.

  • Right thought: Determining and resolving to practice Buddhist faith.

  • Right speech: Avoiding slander, gossip, lying, and all forms of untrue and abusive speech.

  • Right conduct: Adhering to the idea of nonviolence (ahimsa), as well as refraining from any form of stealing or sexual impropriety.

  • Right means of making a living: Not slaughtering animals or working at jobs that force you to violate others.

  • Right mental attitude or effort: Avoiding negative thoughts and emotions, such as anger and jealousy.

  • Right mindfulness: Having a clear sense of one’s mental state and bodily health and feelings.

  • Right concentration: Using meditation to reach the highest level of enlightenment.
I hope you don't mind my questioning you on this. I am not straying from the topic, but trying to link your choice of belief with your opening questions.
The cycle is one of suffering and death.
From what I understand (correct me if I am wrong), according to Buddhism, the only release from suffering is enlightenment and Nirvana, but Nirvana is death.
So basically, only followers of Buddhism can get a chance to go through a life without suffering - due to their own actions, but they cannot escape death - whether at the hands of someone, or from disease or contamination, or old age.
To break the cycle, they must reach a state of eternal sleep.

My questions are, why does this cycle exist? What started it?
Since only those who pursue Buddhism, can have a different path - if they are disciplined enough, would that not mean that the rest of society - currently 93% of earth's population - would be expected to be a victim at the hands of some beast-like individual? Would it not mean that rape, murder, wars, and religious divide should be expected? Do you believe there is a cause... what it any?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I hope you don't mind my questioning you on this. I am not straying from the topic, but trying to link your choice of belief with your opening questions.
The cycle is one of suffering and death.
From what I understand (correct me if I am wrong), according to Buddhism, the only release from suffering is enlightenment and Nirvana, but Nirvana is death.
So basically, only followers of Buddhism can get a chance to go through a life without suffering - due to their own actions, but they cannot escape death - whether at the hands of someone, or from disease or contamination, or old age.
To break the cycle, they must reach a state of eternal sleep.

My questions are, why does this cycle exist? What started it?
Since only those who pursue Buddhism, can have a different path - if they are disciplined enough, would that not mean that the rest of society - currently 93% of earth's population - would be expected to be a victim at the hands of some beast-like individual? Would it not mean that rape, murder, wars, and religious divide should be expected? Do you believe there is a cause... what it any?

Nirvana is not death :) only death of human body, the consiousness continue :)
The only 100% sure thing in human life is that we got born and will die between those two it is up to our speech action and thoughts that can say where we end up after body dies.
reincarnation exist in my understanding because we was falling in morality and virtue as heavenly beings long time ago and was"placed" here to suffer until we find the way back to bliss in Nirvana.
Buddhas path is only for those who follow his teaching same as christianity is for christians.

Crime,rape,murder wars are all sign of very low morality and inborn enlightenment wisdom.
unfortunatly i do not see a future without the above mention points. because morality in our human worl is not getting better it is getting worse.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Is it possible to stop fighting over what religion/spiritual path that is the "right one" ?

The one you follow is the right for you, but maybe not for others,or?

I believe they are all true. Yes it’s very possible to accept all religions as true. I do and it gives me inner peace, contentment and joy.

All religions teach truth I have found. So we can accept them all is my belief. They all teach virtues and to be of good character and I have all the scriptures of all faiths and read their beautiful uplifting words and find hope and joy from all of them.

The only difference is the social laws such as marriage, divorce and punishments etc however they were temporary and for the people and conditions of that age.

For instance in a desert where there were no prisons, courts or police - crimes had to be dealt with harshly for the protection of the community. But today we have corrective facilities and can rehabilitate and re-educate the person so more humane laws can be used.

I believe that all religions are spiritually one and the same but express the same truths but in different words. I cannot see anything but truth and love in each and every one of them. But that’s just me.

Some examples.

Those who act kindly in this world will have kindness.
—Islam. Qur’an, 39.10

To love is to know Me,
My innermost nature, the truth that I am.
—Hinduism. Bhagavad Gita, 18.55

As a mother with her own life guards the life of her own child, let all-embracing thoughts for all that lives be thine.
—Buddhism. huddaka Patha, Metta Sutta

In the garden of thine heart plant naught but the rose of love. Baha’u’llah

You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
—Judaism and Christianity. Leviticus, 19.18
 

islam abduallah

Active Member
I agree we need to stop fighting, but discussion is very imortant to understand each others. discussion between the different religions

yes, in my belief for example some people will go to hell for certain reasons, while i'm loving people and seeing them doing some actions (in my belief) will lead them to hell, i'll not be silent i think i should advice them kindly about it if they accept it;s ok, if not it's ok too, i shouldn't harm them even by the word ( you will be in the hell for doing that)
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
yes, in my belief for example some people will go to hell for certain reasons, while i'm loving people and seeing them doing some actions (in my belief) will lead them to hell, i'll not be silent i think i should advice them kindly about it if they accept it;s ok, if not it's ok too, i shouldn't harm them even by the word ( you will be in the hell for doing that)

Giving advice out of compassion for other beings is a very highly moral way to act and it is good to hear you live this way :)
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I agree we need to stop fighting, but discussion is very imortant to understand each others. discussion between the different religions

I think you can enjoy people for people without discussing religion. There is much more to life than religion. Some very pragmatic things like nutrition, finances, and social differences are very worth discussing.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
yes, in my belief for example some people will go to hell for certain reasons, while i'm loving people and seeing them doing some actions (in my belief) will lead them to hell, i'll not be silent i think i should advice them kindly about it if they accept it;s ok, if not it's ok too, i shouldn't harm them even by the word ( you will be in the hell for doing that)
Do you give unsolicited advice, or only if someone asks you for your advice? You would tell me I'm going to hell, but because I've heard that several times before, I probably wouldn't appreciate hearing it again. If you feel you can offer advice, how do you feel when others give advice to you, when you didn't ask for any?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I think you can enjoy people for people without discussing religion. There is much more to life than religion. Some very pragmatic things like nutrition, finances, and social differences are very worth discussing.

I have very little interest in pragmatic things like money, social differences and mundane lifestyle. spiritual talk and lifestyle is what i think, and study all the time.
But yes for others those thing you said might be interesting :)
 

islam abduallah

Active Member
I think you can enjoy people for people without discussing religion. There is much more to life than religion. Some very pragmatic things like nutrition, finances, and social differences are very worth discussing.

Every one has what's intresinting rhim than others , we are not identical, surely we are not going to discuss religion with who don't like to discuss it

Plus what's the matter to discuss religions, history , nutrition, politics and economics all , should we exclude one of them? I don't see any barrier to be interested in them all, do you?
 

islam abduallah

Active Member
Do you give unsolicited advice, or only if someone asks you for your advice? You would tell me I'm going to hell, but because I've heard that several times before, I probably wouldn't appreciate hearing it again. If you feel you can offer advice, how do you feel when others give advice to you, when you didn't ask for any?
I'm listening to advice with a wide heart, I think who advised me is loving me specially he doesn't seek anything against it but my benefit, it's always ok and appreciated if I received advice
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I have very little interest in pragmatic things like money, social differences and mundane lifestyle. spiritual talk and lifestyle is what i think, and study all the time.
But yes for others those thing you said might be interesting :)

Yes we all have differing natures. My spirituality comes in personal worship, meditation, and service. Yes, discussion happens, but once it becomes circular, I see little value in proceeding. Doesn't mean I can't respect people.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I'm listening to advice with a wide heart, I think who advised me is loving me specially he doesn't seek anything against it but my benefit, it's always ok and appreciated if I received advice
So when a Christian who believe that you should convert to Christianity, and renounce Islam, you have no problem with it. even if he's very persistent? (And that is what many Christians do believe, and believe would be really great advice)

For me, if you ever asked me, (you'd have to ask ne first)I would just say, 'Practice your own faith to the best of your ability," and leave it at that. That is indeed what I believe.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
When someone want me to convert to their belief/religion i ask them why. and then get silent. And i let them speak, but when i do answer i say. i do respect your view and religion, but i havealready found the path that i am on and i am happy with it, so i kindly will not convert to something else :)
 

islam abduallah

Active Member
So when a Christian who believe that you should convert to Christianity, and renounce Islam, you have no problem with it. even if he's very persistent? (And that is what many Christians do believe, and believe would be really great advice)

For me, if you ever asked me, (you'd have to ask ne first)I would just say, 'Practice your own faith to the best of your ability," and leave it at that. That is indeed what I believe.

I'll not be persistent in discussing with someone who wants me to shut up or don't like my speech, but if a Christian did that with me and it already happened many times I'll listen to him/her widely may he hear something from me let him questions himself, but I'll not be rude in my discussion either advising or been advised
There are rules and etiquettes in duscdiscus about religion with non Muslims like (
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best.)

So I can't discuss with you something you asked me to quit it, it shouldn't be annoying or bothering

I hope my point is clear and expressed well as my English is not satisfying
 
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