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Angels in Hell

Fool

Fool

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Are their angels in hell guarding the spiritually unhealthy, those that have lost their self-control? so they restrain, contain their actions? The tormented in heaven?




You hem me in behind and before, and you lay your hand upon me. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me, too lofty for me to attain. Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there. If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle on the far side of the sea, even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast. If I say, “Surely the darkness will hide me and the light become night around me,” even the darkness will not be dark to you; the night will shine like the day, for darkness is as light to you.
 
Earthling

Earthling

David Henson
Fool said:
Are their angels in hell guarding the spiritually unhealthy, those that have lost their self-control? so they restrain, contain their actions? The tormented in heaven?




You hem me in behind and before, and you lay your hand upon me. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me, too lofty for me to attain. Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there. If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle on the far side of the sea, even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast. If I say, “Surely the darkness will hide me and the light become night around me,” even the darkness will not be dark to you; the night will shine like the day, for darkness is as light to you.
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I don't quite understand. You think that Psalms 139:5-12 answers your questions?
 
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URAVIP2ME

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Fool said:
Are their angels in hell guarding the spiritually unhealthy, those that have lost their self-control? so they restrain, contain their actions? The tormented in heaven?
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No, there are No fallen angels in 'biblical hell'.
Those fallen angels are in the 'chains of dense darkness' (tartarus) as per Jude 1:6; 1 Peter 3:18; 2 Peter 2:4-5.
They are Not in Heaven, and never again will be in Heaven. Can't be in 'biblical hell' because that is the grave.
 
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URAVIP2ME

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Jollybear said:
Hell is heavens prison.
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I am wondering how 'hell '(biblical hell) can be heaven's prison, but rather be cast out of Heaven.
Can anyone think of anyone righteous being in hell _______
I find that righteous Jesus on the day he died went to hell. Jesus was in earth's grave the day he died.
Jesus was Not anywhere else but here on Earth until his God resurrected Jesus out of hell - Acts of the Apostles 2:27.
So, I suppose one could say Jesus was in prison right here on Earth til God resurrected Jesus out of death's prison.
Biblical hell (jail) thus being the stone-cold temporary grave for the sleeping dead until resurrection day.
The sleeping dead fell No pain, No bliss, just unconscious sleep while in the Bible's hell / grave.
That is why Jesus and the OT teach sleep in death at John 11:11-14; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5
 
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URAVIP2ME

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Earthling said:
I don't quite understand. You think that Psalms 139:5-12 answers your questions?
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To me those verses mean there is No escape from God' spirit (Psalms 104:30)
In other words, there can be Nothing hidden from God as per Hebrews 4:13
I find at Psalms 139 is where David is speaking, and Not about any fallen angels.
 
Fool

Fool

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Earthling said:
I don't quite understand. You think that Psalms 139:5-12 answers your questions?
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same principle in action? for the abuser of others are contained/restrained in correctional institutions. for the abusers of self they are contained/restricted in mental health facilities. so if god is everywhere, omnipresent, all-pervading and god = heaven = paradise = love, then is hell a state of mind of the believer who will not recognize love? or act loving?
 
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Fool

Fool

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URAVIP2ME said:
To me those verses mean there is No escape from God' spirit (Psalms 104:30)
In other words, there can be Nothing hidden from God as per Hebrews 4:13
I find at Psalms 139 is where David is speaking, and Not about any fallen angels.
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and god's spirit is L-O-V-E; so then is self adverse to love when hatefilled? and will not recognize the act of love? loving? turned their back on love?
 
Earthling

Earthling

David Henson
Fool said:
same principle in action? for the abuser of others are contained/restrained in correctional institutions. for the abusers of self they are contained/restricted in mental health facilities. so if god is everywhere, omnipresent, all-pervading and god = heaven = paradise = love, then is hell a state of mind of the believer who will not recognize love? or act loving?
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God isn't omnipresent and hell is a pagan myth. The word should be grave or transliterated Sheol.
 
Fool

Fool

ALL in all
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Earthling said:
God isn't omnipresent and hell is a pagan myth. The word should be grave or transliterated Sheol.
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it would appear that the rephaim, or shades(shadows?) are without personality. maybe a place where the consciousness doesn't have a definite form?
 
Earthling

Earthling

David Henson
Fool said:
it would appear that the rephaim, or shades(shadows?) are without personality. maybe a place where the consciousness doesn't have a definite form?
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They are impotent in death, dead things, deceased . . . dead. Consciousness not having a definite form? That's an odd way to say unconscious. Conscious of nothing at all. Dead.
 
Fool

Fool

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Earthling said:
They are impotent in death, dead things, deceased . . . dead. Consciousness not having a definite form? That's an odd way to say unconscious. Conscious of nothing at all. Dead.
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things that arise can die. that which isn't formed can't die. just as waves arise and collapse but the ocean remains

everything disappears but the electro-magnetic self that is, was, will be


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Jollybear

Jollybear

Hey
syo said:
This is correct. There is no ruling satan.
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Yes, however, at the same time, the word hell in greek is hades, which hades is the name of a greek god. A ruler. But, the book of revelation says hades will be thrown into the lake of fire.

So, yes, ultimately, still, hell is heavens prison.
 
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1213

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Fool said:
Are their angels in hell guarding the spiritually unhealthy, those that have lost their self-control? so they restrain, contain their actions?
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Hell is a fire lake, where soul and body are destroyed, I don’t think there is any reason to guard anyone there.

…Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:12-15

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt. 10:28
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Fool said:
and god's spirit is L-O-V-E; so then is self adverse to love when hatefilled? and will not recognize the act of love? loving? turned their back on love?
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... and to me L-O-V-E demands J-U-S-T-I-C-E.
The people on the ' broad way ' of Matthew 7:13 are unloving and would bring only trouble to the upright ones.
It is Not God who seals their fate, but they themselves seal themselves.They turn their backs on God and His love.
We all get to choose to be upright ones or not as per Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
1213 said:
Hell is a fire lake, where soul and body are destroyed, I don’t think there is any reason to guard anyone there.
…Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:12-15
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt. 10:28
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I find many know the Bible was Not originally written in English.
KJV translated the word Gehenna found at Matthew 10:28 into English as hell.
Gehenna was a garbage pit where things were 'destroyed forever', Not kept burning forever.

Can anyone think of anyone righteous who was in: hell = lake of fire ________
I find the day righteous Jesus died he went to hell as per Acts of the Apostles 2:27.
Jesus and the OT teach ' sleep ' (Not pain) in death as per John 11:11-14; Psalms 115:17;Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5.
So, biblical hell is No lake of fire, but mankind's stone-cold temporary grave for the sleeping dead.
If biblical hell was a permanent place then Jesus would still be in the Bible's hell.

The definition of the lake of fire is defined for us at Revelation 20:13-14.
The lake is defined as ' second death '
Satan ends up in ' second death ' as per Revelation 21:8
Jesus destroys Satan as per Hebrews 2:14 B.
So, ' second death ' is a fitting term for: destruction.
That to me is why Psalms 92:7 can say the wicked will be ' destroyed forever ' and Not burnt forever.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Jollybear said:
Yes, however, at the same time, the word hell in greek is hades, which hades is the name of a greek god. A ruler. But, the book of revelation says hades will be thrown into the lake of fire.
So, yes, ultimately, still, hell is heavens prison.
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Or, to me 'biblical hell' is earth's prison. No jails in heaven, No graves in heaven.
And biblical hell is temporary otherwise No one could get out of biblical hell.- Revelation 1:18
Many teach a non-biblical religious-myth hell as being Scripture.
Whereas, the Bible's hell is simply mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead.
That is why Jesus and the OT teach sleep in death at John 11:11-14; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5
The dead know nothing. Nothing but sleep. Just as we know nothing while in a deep sleep.
 
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