The Anointed
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Did the star that had heralded the birth of Jesus lead the wise men to Bethlehem or to Nazareth?
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Star of Bethlehem or Star of Nazareth
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To Bethlehem, but only after it had led them to Jerusalem first to stir up a murderous king. We have no indication from scripture that it led them anywhere else. The star did not herald the birth of Jesus to anyone but the magi who were Babylonian astrologers, practicers of what God condemns. (Deuteronomy 18:9-12)
If that “star” had been from God, why did it leave them free to return to Herod? Why didn't the “star” guide them back another way? If it was from God, why was it necessary for God to intervene by sending an angel to them to direct them not to report back to Herod?
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No star can do that. It's completely impossible other than basic direction as stars cannot be used in any way to pinpoint any specific geographical place on the Earth.
Some affirm it was the Halley Comet...
if you think about it...it might be....Jesus born in 12 BC, stayed in Egypt until Herod died (4 BC) then died under Tiberius.
if you think about it...it might be....Jesus born in 12 BC, stayed in Egypt until Herod died (4 BC) then died under Tiberius.
The Anointed
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Deeje wrote……. To Bethlehem, but only after it had led them to Jerusalem first to stir up a murderous king. We have no indication from scripture that it led them anywhere else. The star did not herald the birth of Jesus to anyone but the magi who were Babylonian astrologers, practicers of what God condemns. (Deuteronomy 18:9-12)
The Anointed………. Where in your Bible does it say that the wise men went to Bethlehem
Deeje wrote……. If that “star” had been from God, why did it leave free to return to Herod? Why didn't the “star” guide them back another way? If it was from God, why was it necessary for God to intervene by sending an angel to them to direct them not to report back to Herod?
The Anointed……. Jesus who was born in a manger in Bethlehem, was circumcised 8 days after he was born then 33 days later Mary took him to the temple in Jerusalem in order to perform the ceremony of purification according to the law of Moses then after Joseph and Mary had finished doing all that was required by the law of the Lord they returned to their home in Nazareth.
The wise men told Herod the exact time that they had seen the star that had heralded the birth of the promised Messiah: Matthew 1:7; So Herod called the visitors from the east to a secret meeting and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared.
Matthew 2: 16; When Herod realised that the wise me from the east had tricked him, he was furious. He gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its surrounding districts who were two year of age and younger-----this was done in accordance with what he had learned from the visitors about the time when the star had appeared.
Almost two years after the birth of Jesus, and after the wise men left Herod, the star appeared once again and O what joy was theirs, and it led them not to Bethlehem where the child was born, but to Nazareth, and the star “STOOD OVER” the HOUSE (Not the manger in Bethlehem) in which was Mary and her almost two year old child.
The term "STOOD OVER" in ancient literature refers to Comets and Comets only and in those days, comets were called "Hairy Stars."
The Anointed
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It was not Halley Comet and Jesus was born in 6 B.C and was taken into Egypt in the same year that Herod died.
It is said that Yehoshua/Jesus III, the grand-father of Mary, who was the high priest in Jerusalem from 36 to 23 BC, died 3 years before the birth of his grand-daughter ‘Mary’, and knowing that Jehoshua was still alive in 23 BC, then the earliest that Mary could have been born is 20 BC. Herod the Great died in the spring [April] of 4 BC, 16 years after the birth of Mary, and as Herod believed that the child Jesus, who he saw as a threat to his throne was around two years old, the age of all the male children that he commanded his men to kill, then the latest that Jesus could have been born, is 6 BC, two years before the death of Herod the Great, which would make Mary 14 years old when she gave birth to her firstborn son, and the year of the triple conjunction of Jupiter, the KING Planet, Mars, the god of war and Saturn, the god of time, who brings in the golden age of peace to the earth," which I believe the wise men saw as the heavenly sign that had heralded the birth of the Messianic King who was to bring into subjection all the nations that surround Jerusalem and bring in the thousand years of peace.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It can't. No more than a star can.
I scratch my head every time I see people who think it can.
Might as well say Tinkerbell led them.
The Anointed
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Obviously you did not follow the comet Hale-bopp which remained visible for almost 3 months, as it rose in the east in early march and finally disappeared below the north western horizon in May never to be seen again in the northern hemisphere.
Apparently you did not follow it in its journey from the east to the north west, but the wise men, did follow such a comet/hairy star.
The Anointed
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Gotta go down to the creek and check the crab pots, be back later.
Well...it wasn't certainly a star...the sky has thousands of them.
It certainly was something unexpected ...that people see once in a century
The Anointed
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And like I said, that Hairy Star/Comet wasn't Halley, perhaps it could have been a comet like the McNaught comet which appeared in 2007 and will probably never be seen again. Its current orbit is hyperbolic which means the comet will be ejected from the inner Solar System never to return. After it leaves the influence of the planets and it will remain bound to the outermost dome of our Solar System as an Oort Cloud comet.
The Anointed
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Have you never seen a comet with its tail streaming up into the heavens appearing to stand over an earthly object slowly following the sun as it sinks below the horizon?
The Anointed
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On leaving the palace of Herod the Great in Jerusalem, the star appeared once again, but it was in the north west of Jerusalem, in which direction the wise men followed.
We can almost picture the scene, the wise men with their entourage travelling along the dusty roads of northern Israel, it’s late in the day and as they come to a rise, there, just above the distant horizon, in the deepening darkness of the evening sky, is the star with its tail streaming up into the heavens and appearing to stand over the small and insignificant hamlet of "Nazareth," as it slowly followed the setting sun toward the horizon..
OK....Where in your Bible does it say they didn't? All mention of the goings on were in Bethlehem......read Matthew ch 2.
V 4-5..."Gathering together all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Messiah was to be born. 5 They said to him, “In Bethlehem of Judea"
V 7-8..." Then Herod secretly called the magi and determined from them the exact time the star appeared. 8 And he sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search carefully for the Child; and when you have found Him, report to me, so that I too may come and worship Him.”
V 16..." Then when Herod saw that he had been tricked by the magi, he became very enraged, and sent and slew all the male children who were in Bethlehem and all its vicinity, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the magi."
Looks like Bethlehem to me.....
Then we have....V 19-23....
" But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, and said, 20 “Get up, take the Child and His mother, and go into the land of Israel; for those who sought the Child’s life are dead.” 21 So Joseph got up, took the Child and His mother, and came into the land of Israel. 22 But when he heard that Archelaus was reigning over Judea in place of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there. Then after being warned by God in a dream, he left for the regions of Galilee, 23 and came and lived in a city called Nazareth."
Looks like they didn't move to Nazareth until after their return from Egypt.
Why does Luke 2:39 read as if Joseph took the family right from Jerusalem to Nazareth without going back to Bethlehem?
It appears that Luke simply omits the intervening events (the return from Jerusalem to Bethlehem, the magi's visit and the flight to Egypt), even as Matthew says nothing of the shepherds or the trip to Jerusalem where Simeon and Anna saw Jesus. Certainly the astrologers did not visit Jesus in Nazareth, for Matthew says otherwise; and in Nazareth Jesus would not have been endangered by an order to kill children in ‘Bethlehem and its districts.’
Perhaps Strongs will clear this up? Two words "Stood" and "over"
Genesis 1:1 (NASB)
Genesis 1:1 (NASB)
V 9..."After hearing the king, they went their way; and the star, which they had seen in the east, went on before them until it came and stood over the place where the Child was."
"Stood over" means to come to a stop over the house where Jesus was. Nothing more cryptic than that as far as I can see.
Sorry, nothing to do with hairy comets.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I've seen comets in real life such as Hale-Bopp.
Yet no. It's completely impossible for a comet or star to lead you to any specific geographic area no matter where you are on the entire planet.
The only thing it will offer is the direction by which you will need to face in order to see it, yet you will not be able to triangulate specific locations using any celestial body(s).
The problem is, a supernova or even a nearby object like a comet will appear 'in the East' or 'in the Northwest' no matter where your starting point. It would have been quite a fluke if three different magi just happened to be situated along a line-of-site intersecting Bethlehem. Moreover, stars appear to move as the Earth rotates. At camel speed their path would have described an arc. Moreover, how would these wise guys have known where to stop? When they got to Bethlehem the star would still have been over the far horizon.
Earthling
David Henson
To Herod in Jerusalem, then to Bethlehem. Matthew 2:1-18
SonOfElElyon
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The Star of Bethlehem was the Angel of the Lord
Note that were the photographer a thousand miles from the site, in any direction, the comet would have been on the same heading.