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Axe Elf
Prophet
If an omnibenevolent, omniscient, omnipotent creator exists, then whatever the universe is, has been, and will be, is the best of all possible universes.
Since Hitler was a part of the best of all possible universes, then his existence was obviously necessary to the best of all possible universes.
I guess you were taught wrong. God has a purpose for this earth and all its living creatures......but he did not foreordain us to follow any specific path. We have free will to choose our own path. If something feels wrong, walk away. We aren't meant to be miserable. Life is supposed to be joyous but satan got in the way and robbed us of what we should have had. He fooled our first parents and he's out to fool as many others as he can.
Do you have a life? At 20 you should be enjoying your youth. Why is life not worth living? You simply sound trapped and depressed. If you want to talk about it privately, you are welcome to do so....but there are many wise souls here at RF. We are here to help if we can. Getting some input from different points of view can help. Something might just click. You need a reason to want to live.
Your purpose here is your choice. What do you do with your time?
God is our choices.
Do you accept evolutionary theory?
So God doesn't want to be worshipped and praised directly but through how you treat others?
I think this is the mainstream Christian view.
God existed all by Himself in the past so that means that existing by Himself was the best possible universe so how do you square that with creating humans?
So allowing him to exist knowing He'll kill so many people was the best possible option?
It looks like spam and it's irrelevant to the discussion.
Salvador
RF's Swedenborgian
Rude, nasty, and a very snide response towards Saint Frankenstein....
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This is another thing I don't get about Christianity. Why is there so much division over how to interpret scripture? How do you know your interpretation is the correct one?
I appreciate the concerns but I'm fine and I don't need help. I've thought this through for a long time and I know what I want.
IDK, I go to school...
I honestly don't know. I hear contradictory characteristics of God based on how I've heard Christians describe Him and many things in my own experience and things I've observed in the world make me wish that there isn't a Creator but then I hear Christians describe supernatural encounters that make Him seem real and then I'm left confused. I don't understand why God would ever want anything or why He demands certain things when self sufficient. I don't get why He wants anything from fallible human mortals and then gets upset when He doesn't get it... as far as I see there's nothing anyone can offer God that He doesn't already have.
Axe Elf
Prophet
There WAS no universe before God created it, so there could be no best of all possible universes until one was created. When an omnibenevolent, omniscient, and omnipotent God creates a universe, He is logically bound to create the best of all possible universes. Once the universe has been created, the changes we see over the course of time reflect the changes that are necessary to the best of all possible universes.
Yes.
I know you'll probably say Satan but I don't get why scripture is so easily up for anyone's interpretation where any view can be justified and discredited. I don't know how anyone can know their interpretation is the right one.
It's complicated but yes not being here is part of it. I don't care about anything anymore, nonexistence is the only way I can be happy or free. I don't care about making money or having a gf/wife or being famous or any of that superficiality, I just want peace.
Business.
I started thinking recently that every choice God made was a perfect choice. I'm guessing you think the same thing but then that means that God doesn't have free will but is obligated to act in a certain manner?
Axe Elf
Prophet
"Acting" requires the passage of time. God is not constrained by the flow of time, therefore, He cannot "act" in the sense that those of us who ARE constrained by the flow of time think of acting. He only exists, the same now as He was in the beginning, as He will be in the end.
Humans are constrained by the flow of time, so that gives the illusion of "action" to God's will. But actions have a cause and a beginning and an end. God's will has no cause, it is merely the nature of God. God's will does not start at a given time and end at a given time; God's will exists, has always existed, and always will exist.
Time for bed. Further education, should you require it, on the morrow.
There is only one truth, but it has been all twisted out of shape.....but did you know that Jesus and his apostles foretold that this would happen?
It was already happening in the first century after Jesus had laid down his life. The apostles were acting as a restraint, but once they were out of the way, the church plunged into full on apostasy. This is where the confusion comes from.
When Jesus came, the Jewish religion had been broken up into sects too (just not so many) but he basically said that none of those sects was teaching the truth from God's word. They proved it when Jesus was preaching by turning people away from him, discounting his miracles as works of the devil and accusing him of calling himself God. (Blasphemy was punishable by death) They lied and convinced others to lie just so they could get rid of him.
Jesus' miracles must have been incredible to witness.....healing the sick, the disabled, the deaf and blind...even raising the dead. But that too was to cease once the apostles died. Why? Because they had accomplished their goal of turning people to Christ. Each one a demonstration of things to come when Jesus brings his rulership to the earth. (Revelation 21:2-4)
This is not a training ground for heaven....earth was meant to be our permanent home.....not like it is now, but as God created it for Adam and his wife.
The only thing that robbed them of that paradise was disobedience. There was no natural cause of death, because we were designed to live forever...right here. The tree of life would have guaranteed it, but after they sinned, God evicted them from the garden and the tree of life was off limits. So began our object lesson. God handed the world over to the god they had chosen. (1 John 5:19; Luke 4:5-7)
You know, there is something that we can give God that he can't give himself? The devil accused him of lying to us...of keeping back something to which we were entitled.....that he was a lousy father. Was the devil right?
The Bible is a book of examples......some good....some awful. But its a book that tells us what we can give God that he can't give himself.....our trust...our love and loyalty and our worship. Jesus showed us how by his own example. When he was tempted by satan, he stood his ground, and used God's word to answer his accusations and he would not be swayed off his course.
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Ask questions......lots of them. The truth will stand out if you allow the Bible to speak for itself. Have you ever tried comparing what the Bible teaches to what the church teaches? Its a fruitful exercise....and quite surprising.
Write a list of specific things you like to know and see what comes back?
And that is exactly what God wants you to have.....its there for the taking....all you have to do is want it, and ask God to help you find it. It might seem like finding a diamond in a pile of broken glass, but God has a light that makes the diamond stand out. All it requires is an open heart and an open mind.
Is it what you want to study? Or do you have something else you'd rather do?
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