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Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
The first individual of the genus Homo-species very likely formed from a couple of Australopithecus hetero zygotes, each of whom had the same type of chromosome rearrangements formed by fusion of the whole long arms of two acrocentric chromosomes, mated together and reproduced viable and fertile offspring with 46 chromosomes.

This first generation of Homo habilis then likely incestuously bred with each other and reproduced the next subsequent generation of Homo habilis.

References:

1. J. Tjio and A. Levan. 1956. The chromosome number of Man. Hereditas, 42( 1-2): 1-6.
2. W. Ijdo et al.1991. Origin of human chromosome 2: an ancestral telomere-telomere fusión. PNAS, 88: 9051-9056.
3. Meyer et al. 2012 A high-coverage genome sequence from an archaic Denisovan individual. Science, 338:222-226.; K. H. Miga. 2016. Chromosome-specific Centromere sequences provide an estímate of the Ancestral Chromosome 2 Fusion event in Hominin Genome.Journ. of Heredity. 1-8. Doi:10.1093/jhered/esw039.


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Exactly who/what left its/their mark in our genetic coding might not ever get determined by anybody presently bound to Earth. The search for our cosmic relatives and cosmic common ancestor likely then needs to be done with advanced space exploration. I'd like to urge everybody who's interested in our cosmic ancestry, then to please advise our Senate, Congress and President to expand our tax-payer funded resources for advance space exploration.
 

Axe Elf

Prophet
So it's OK to ask Him to uncreate me?

Only you can answer that question. Do you feel that would bring you closer to God, or would that separate you from God?

"All things are legitimate [permissible—and we are free to do anything we please], but not all things are helpful (expedient, profitable, and wholesome). All things are legitimate, but not all things are constructive [to character] and edifying [to spiritual life]." --1 Corinthians 10:23 (Amplified Bible)
 

Jos

Well-Known Member
Genetic coding was evidently invented by extraterrestrial intelligence as evident by how the numeric and semantic message of 037 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded. Start codons express 0 at the beginning of 37 Hence, the semantic message of 037 gets unambiguously and factually conveyed to us descendants of our cosmic ancestor(s) with our genetic code invented by a superior intelligence beyond that of anybody presently bound to Earth.




The significance of the numeric or semantic message 037 embedded in our genetic code is well-explained as follows:

Information is an innate attribute of something conveyed by patterns/sequential order to something which processes the conveyance of patterns/sequential order into meaningful data. We creatures using a base-10 numbering system would best understand a mathematical message that's been broadcast to us in the language of a base-10 numbering system.

“There is no plausible chemical logic to couple directly the triplets and the amino acids. In other words, the principles of chemistry where not the sought essence of the genetic code”

“The zero is the supreme abstraction of arithmetic. Its use by any alphabet, including the genetic code, can be an indicator of artificiality.”

"The place-value decimal system represented through digital symmetry of the numbers divisible by prime number (PN 037). This arithmetical syntactic feature is an innate attribute of the genetic code. The PN 037 notation with a leading zero emphasizes zero's equal participation in the digital symmetry. Numbers written by identical digits are devised by PN 037*3=111 and 1+1+1=3 and appear regularly [from the figure: 037*6 =222 and 2+2+2=6, 037*9=333 and 3+3+3 =9, 037*4=444 and 4+4+4=12, 037*15=555 and 5+5+5=15, 037*18=666 and 6+6+6=18, 037*21=777 and 7+7+7 =21. 037*24 =888 and 8+8+8=24, 037*27=999 and 9+9+9=27.)"

"There is a complete set of information symbols utilizing the decimal syntax 111, 222, 333, 444, 555, 666, 777, 888, 999 in the genetic code. Each of these symbols consists uniformly of a carrier (balanced nucleons) and a meaning (the decimal syntax)."

Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code

"The first information system emerged on the earth as primordial version of the genetic code and genetic texts. The natural appearance of arithmetic power in such a linguistic milieu is theoretically possible and practical for producing information systems of extremely high efficiency. In this case, the arithmetic symbols should be incorporated into an alphabet, i.e. the genetic code. A number is the fundamental arithmetic symbol produced by the system of numeration. If the system of numeration were detected inside the genetic code, it would be natural to expect that its purpose is arithmetic calculation e.g., for the sake of control, safety, and precise alteration of the genetic texts. The nucleons of amino acids and the bases of nucleic acids seem most suitable for embodiments of digits. These assumptions were used for the analyzing the genetic code.

The compressed, life-size, and split representation of the Escherichia coli and Euplotes octocarinatus code versions were considered simultaneously. An exact equilibration of the nucleon sums of the amino acid standard blocks and/or side chains was found repeatedly within specified sets of the genetic code. Moreover, the digital notations of the balanced sums acquired, in decimal representation, the unique form 111, 222, …, 999. This form is a consequence of the criterion of divisibility by 037. The criterion could simplify some computing mechanism of a cell if any and facilitate its computational procedure.

Reference: Biosystems Volume 70, Issue 3, August 2003, Pages 187-209
"Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code" Author: Vladimir I. shCherbak

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...4703000662

"Numerous arithmetical regularities of nucleon numbers of canonical amino acids for quite different systematizations of the genetic code, which are dominantly based on decimal number 037, indicate the hidden existence of a more universal ordering principle. Mathematical analysis of number 037 reveals that it is a unique decimal number from which an infinite set of self-similar numbers can be derived with the nested numerical, geometrical, and arithmetical properties, thus enabling the nested coding and computing in the (bio)systems by geometry and resonance. The omnipresent fractal structural and dynamical organization, as well as the intertwining of quantum and classical realm in the physical and biological systems could be just the consequence of such coding and computing."

Reference: NeuroQuantology | December 2011 | Vol 9 | Issue 4 | Page 702-715 Masic, Natasa Nested Properties of shCherbak’s PQ 037 and (Biological) Coding/Computing Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Propertiesof shCherbak’s Prime Quantum 037 as a Base of (Biological) Coding/Computing
What?
 

Jos

Well-Known Member
Only you can answer that question. Do you feel that would bring you closer to God, or would that separate you from God?

"All things are legitimate [permissible—and we are free to do anything we please], but not all things are helpful (expedient, profitable, and wholesome). All things are legitimate, but not all things are constructive [to character] and edifying [to spiritual life]." --1 Corinthians 10:23 (Amplified Bible)
It would separate me from Him but I don't mind since it'll make me happy.
 

Axe Elf

Prophet
So He would grant me my wish?

Doubtful. Despite the "Name It and Claim It" crowd, God isn't really anyone's personal magic genie.

Remember that the Lord's Prayer says, "THY will be done," not, "MY will be done."

Besides, if God made it so that you never existed, I'd be here talking to myself like an idiot, and I don't do that.

I do like Emo Philips' "Generic Prayer" though; "Dear God, please change the laws of the universe for my convenience."
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian

Scientists have observed mathematical and symmetrical patterns in our genetic code indicative of an intelligent designer of life. (1) Scientists have identified the number 37 reoccurring frequently in our genetic code. For example, the mass of the molecular core shared by all 20 amino acids is 74, which is doubled the amount of 37.
Furthermore, Soviet mathematician Uri Rumer noted the genetic code of life can be divided nicely in half, according to "whole family" codons and "split codons". The "whole family" codons have all 4 codons with the same 2 initial letters coded for the same amino acid. For example, the AC family, is considered "whole", because codons starting with AC code for threonine. "Split family" codons lack this attribute. Yuri Rumer pointed out there is no natural explanation why exactly half of all codons are "whole family" codons." Rumer found that by applying a simple rule-swapping T for G, and A for C- transforms one half of the code into the other. "Rumer's transformation" is one of several examples for patterns and symmetries in our genetic code.

Unlike genomic DNA, which mutates, the genetic code remains stable for all generations, and would be the ideal place for an intelligent designer to have signed its mark.

(1) The "Wow! signal" of the Terrestrial Genetic Code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code

There isn't any natural coincidence that the prime number of 37 is half the amount of nucleons found in the peptide chain components of each canonical amino acid, because an artificially imposed transfer of a hydrogen atom from Proline's side chain to its peptide chain component results in the prime number of 37 as becoming a common factor for the atomic mass of all the canonical amino acid peptide chain components. Proline's side chain to peptide chain bond is artificially placed as an activation key for decoding the prime number of 37 as a common factor for the atomic masses of peptide chain components of canonical amino acids.

Referencing the WOW signal of the terrestrial genetic code detected by Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov whose scientific research findings were published in the prestigious peer-reviewed journal Icarus on February 17th, 2013:

“There is no plausible chemical logic to couple directly the triplets and the amino acids. In other words, the principles of chemistry where not the sought essence of the genetic code”

“The zero is the supreme abstraction of arithmetic. Its use by any alphabet, including the genetic code, can be an indicator of artificiality.”

"The place-value decimal system represented through digital symmetry of the numbers divisible by prime number (PN 037). This arithmetical syntactic feature is an innate attribute of the genetic code. The PN 037 notation with a leading zero emphasizes zero's equal participation in the digital symmetry. Numbers written by identical digits are devised by PN 037*3=111 and 1+1+1=3 and appear regularly [from the figure: 037*6 =222 and 2+2+2=6, 037*9=333 and 3+3+3 =9, 037*4=444 and 4+4+4=12, 037*15=555 and 5+5+5=15, 037*18=666 and 6+6+6=18, 037*21=777 and 7+7+7 =21. 037*24 =888 and 8+8+8=24, 037*27=999 and 9+9+9=27.]"

"There is a complete set of information symbols utilizing the decimal syntax 111, 222, 333, 444, 555, 666, 777, 888, 999 in the genetic code. Each of these symbols consists uniformly of a carrier (balanced nucleons) and a meaning (the decimal syntax)."

This informational and artificial characteristic of the WOW signal of the terrestrial genetic code demonstrates intelligent design.

An intelligent signal transmitted via genetic code that has been documented and confirmed by scientists researching the WOW signal of the terrestrial genetic code is prima facie evidence for an intelligent designer. Right?

"It has been repeatedly proposed to expand the scope for SETI, and one of the suggested alternatives to radio is the biological media. Genomic DNA is already used on Earth to store non-biological information. Though smaller in capacity, but stronger in noise immunity is the genetic code. The code is a flexible mapping between codons and amino acids, and this flexibility allows modifying the code artificially. But once fixed, the code might stay unchanged over cosmological timescales; in fact, it is the most durable construct known. Therefore it represents an exceptionally reliable storage for an intelligent signature, if that conforms to biological and thermodynamic requirements. "

".... As the actual scenario for the origin of terrestrial life is far from being settled, the proposal that it might have been seeded intentionally cannot be ruled out. A statistically strong intelligent-like “signal” in the genetic code is then a testable consequence of such scenario. Here we show that the terrestrial code displays a thorough precision-type orderliness matching the criteria to be considered an informational signal. Simple arrangements of the code reveal an ensemble of arithmetical and ideographical patterns of the same symbolic language. Accurate and systematic, these underlying patterns appear as a product of precision logic and nontrivial computing rather than of stochastic processes (the null hypothesis that they are due to chance coupled with presumable evolutionary pathways is rejected with P-value < 10–13). The patterns are profound to the extent that the code mapping itself is uniquely deduced from their algebraic representation. The signal displays readily recognizable hallmarks of artificiality, among which are the symbol of zero, the privileged decimal syntax and semantical symmetries. Besides, extraction of the signal involves logically straightforward but abstract operations, making the patterns essentially irreducible to any natural origin. Plausible ways of embedding the signal into the code and possible interpretation of its content are discussed. Overall, while the code is nearly optimized biologically, its limited capacity is used extremely efficiently to pass non-biological information."

Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code

Stop codons represent 0. The numeric message of 37 is conveyed with 74/2. For example, somebody gets handed a string of 74 beads. This gets folded exactly in half, so 37 beads are above the recipient's hand and 37 are below the recipient's hand. Now, the number of beads observed has gone from 74 to 37. In this way, the message of 037 gets conveyed.
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The 74 beads are analogous to the nucleon count of a canonical amino acid's peptide component. The folding of the string to derive at shChebak's PQN 037 is analogous to Rumer's bisection of the genetic codons based on their level of redundancy.
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Jos

Well-Known Member
Doubtful. Despite the "Name It and Claim It" crowd, God isn't really anyone's personal magic genie.

Remember that the Lord's Prayer says, "THY will be done," not, "MY will be done."

Besides, if God made it so that you never existed, I'd be here talking to myself like an idiot, and I don't do that.

I do like Emo Philips' "Generic Prayer" though; "Dear God, please change the laws of the universe for my convenience."
So why can't He do it? It won't cost Him, me or anyone else anything and it's not like my existence is necessary.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
By asking God to uncreate you so that you never exist in the first place.

You do understand that God did not create you in the first place? Your parents did.
What God created was the first humans to whom he gave the ability to procreate, so these went on to create everyone else.

Why would you want God to uncreate you? Life is a gift. Do you understand the odds against you even being born?

Your life is a miracle.....you mother had only so many eggs that she was born with, and most of them would be unfertilized in her lifetime.
Your father had millions of sperm that are released to make their way to a ripe egg. Only one will succeed to fertilize that egg . Imagine....you are you because of a random chance meeting of the two cells.....you could quite easily have been replaced by someone else. Yet here you are...the winner! How can you then see yourself as a loser? Why do you want to reject life? You've just begun!
 

Axe Elf

Prophet
So why can't He do it? It won't cost Him, me or anyone else anything and it's not like my existence is necessary.

He can't do it because it would be against His nature as an omnibenevolent, omniscient, omnipotent God.

You see, an omnibenevolent God would WANT to create the best of all possible universes. An omniscient God would know HOW to create the best of all possible universes. An omnipotent God would have the POWER to create the best of all possible universes. So if an omnibenevolent, omniscient, omnipotent creator exists, we are logically forced to conclude that we live in the best of all possible universes.

Therefore, clearly, YOU are a part of the best of all possible universes. Your existence IS necessary. If you were removed from it, it would no longer be the best of all possible universes, and God could no longer be omnibenevolent, omniscient, and omnipotent.

So you say it wouldn't cost Him or anyone else anything, but it would cost Him everything--His Godhood itself. And it would cost the rest of us the best of all possible universes.

He could make you cease to exist at any time--and that time comes for all of us--but He could not uncreate you and make it so that you never existed--not without ceasing to be God Himself.
 

Jos

Well-Known Member
You do understand that God did not create you in the first place? Your parents did.
I was taught it was God's plan for every human being who has ever existed to exist and that it was His plan for every human who exists now to exist. I was also taught that God was sovereign over the entire universe. But even if my existence wasn't His doing, I still don't understand why my wish is wrong.
Why would you want God to uncreate you? Life is a gift.
I don't necessarily see life as a gift.
Your life is a miracle.....you mother had only so many eggs that she was born with, and most of them would be unfertilized in her lifetime.
Your father had millions of sperm that are released to make their way to a ripe egg. Only one will succeed to fertilize that egg . Imagine....you are you because of a random chance meeting of the two cells.....you could quite easily have been replaced by someone else. Yet here you are...the winner! How can you then see yourself as a loser? Why do you want to reject life? You've just begun!
I don't wanna be here anymore because I see no purpose to existence whether or not a God exists and I find life to be depressing and I find being human to be a chore.
 

Axe Elf

Prophet

Scientists have observed mathematical and symmetrical patterns in our genetic code indicative of an intelligent designer of life. (1) Scientists have identified the number 37 reoccurring frequently in our genetic code. For example, the mass of the molecular core shared by all 20 amino acids is 74, which is doubled the amount of 37.
Furthermore, Soviet mathematician Uri Rumer noted the genetic code of life can be divided nicely in half, according to "whole family" codons and "split codons". The "whole family" codons have all 4 codons with the same 2 initial letters coded for the same amino acid. For example, the AC family, is considered "whole", because codons starting with AC code for threonine. "Split family" codons lack this attribute. Yuri Rumer pointed out there is no natural explanation why exactly half of all codons are "whole family" codons." Rumer found that by applying a simple rule-swapping T for G, and A for C- transforms one half of the code into the other. "Rumer's transformation" is one of several examples for patterns and symmetries in our genetic code.

Unlike genomic DNA, which mutates, the genetic code remains stable for all generations, and would be the ideal place for an intelligent designer to have signed its mark.

(1) The "Wow! signal" of the Terrestrial Genetic Code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code

There isn't any natural coincidence that the prime number of 37 is half the amount of nucleons found in the peptide chain components of each canonical amino acid, because an artificially imposed transfer of a hydrogen atom from Proline's side chain to its peptide chain component results in the prime number of 37 as becoming a common factor for the atomic mass of all the canonical amino acid peptide chain components. Proline's side chain to peptide chain bond is artificially placed as an activation key for decoding the prime number of 37 as a common factor for the atomic masses of peptide chain components of canonical amino acids.

Referencing the WOW signal of the terrestrial genetic code detected by Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov whose scientific research findings were published in the prestigious peer-reviewed journal Icarus on February 17th, 2013:

“There is no plausible chemical logic to couple directly the triplets and the amino acids. In other words, the principles of chemistry where not the sought essence of the genetic code”

“The zero is the supreme abstraction of arithmetic. Its use by any alphabet, including the genetic code, can be an indicator of artificiality.”

"The place-value decimal system represented through digital symmetry of the numbers divisible by prime number (PN 037). This arithmetical syntactic feature is an innate attribute of the genetic code. The PN 037 notation with a leading zero emphasizes zero's equal participation in the digital symmetry. Numbers written by identical digits are devised by PN 037*3=111 and 1+1+1=3 and appear regularly [from the figure: 037*6 =222 and 2+2+2=6, 037*9=333 and 3+3+3 =9, 037*4=444 and 4+4+4=12, 037*15=555 and 5+5+5=15, 037*18=666 and 6+6+6=18, 037*21=777 and 7+7+7 =21. 037*24 =888 and 8+8+8=24, 037*27=999 and 9+9+9=27.]"

"There is a complete set of information symbols utilizing the decimal syntax 111, 222, 333, 444, 555, 666, 777, 888, 999 in the genetic code. Each of these symbols consists uniformly of a carrier (balanced nucleons) and a meaning (the decimal syntax)."

This informational and artificial characteristic of the WOW signal of the terrestrial genetic code demonstrates intelligent design.

An intelligent signal transmitted via genetic code that has been documented and confirmed by scientists researching the WOW signal of the terrestrial genetic code is prima facie evidence for an intelligent designer. Right?

"It has been repeatedly proposed to expand the scope for SETI, and one of the suggested alternatives to radio is the biological media. Genomic DNA is already used on Earth to store non-biological information. Though smaller in capacity, but stronger in noise immunity is the genetic code. The code is a flexible mapping between codons and amino acids, and this flexibility allows modifying the code artificially. But once fixed, the code might stay unchanged over cosmological timescales; in fact, it is the most durable construct known. Therefore it represents an exceptionally reliable storage for an intelligent signature, if that conforms to biological and thermodynamic requirements. "

".... As the actual scenario for the origin of terrestrial life is far from being settled, the proposal that it might have been seeded intentionally cannot be ruled out. A statistically strong intelligent-like “signal” in the genetic code is then a testable consequence of such scenario. Here we show that the terrestrial code displays a thorough precision-type orderliness matching the criteria to be considered an informational signal. Simple arrangements of the code reveal an ensemble of arithmetical and ideographical patterns of the same symbolic language. Accurate and systematic, these underlying patterns appear as a product of precision logic and nontrivial computing rather than of stochastic processes (the null hypothesis that they are due to chance coupled with presumable evolutionary pathways is rejected with P-value < 10–13). The patterns are profound to the extent that the code mapping itself is uniquely deduced from their algebraic representation. The signal displays readily recognizable hallmarks of artificiality, among which are the symbol of zero, the privileged decimal syntax and semantical symmetries. Besides, extraction of the signal involves logically straightforward but abstract operations, making the patterns essentially irreducible to any natural origin. Plausible ways of embedding the signal into the code and possible interpretation of its content are discussed. Overall, while the code is nearly optimized biologically, its limited capacity is used extremely efficiently to pass non-biological information."

Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code

Stop codons represent 0. The numeric message of 37 is conveyed with 74/2. For example, somebody gets handed a string of 74 beads. This gets folded exactly in half, so 37 beads are above the recipient's hand and 37 are below the recipient's hand. Now, the number of beads observed has gone from 74 to 37. In this way, the message of 037 gets conveyed.
smile.gif


The 74 beads are analogous to the nucleon count of a canonical amino acid's peptide component. The folding of the string to derive at shChebak's PQN 037 is analogous to Rumer's bisection of the genetic codons based on their level of redundancy.
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You had to ask...
 

Jos

Well-Known Member
He can't do it because it would be against His nature as an omnibenevolent, omniscient, omnipotent God.

You see, an omnibenevolent God would WANT to create the best of all possible universes. An omniscient God would know HOW to create the best of all possible universes. An omnipotent God would have the POWER to create the best of all possible universes. So if an omnibenevolent, omniscient, omnipotent creator exists, we are logically forced to conclude that we live in the best of all possible universes.

Therefore, clearly, YOU are a part of the best of all possible universes. Your existence IS necessary. If you were removed from it, it would no longer be the best of all possible universes, and God could no longer be omnibenevolent, omniscient, and omnipotent.

So you say it wouldn't cost Him or anyone else anything, but it would cost Him everything--His Godhood itself. And it would cost the rest of us the best of all possible universes.

He could make you cease to exist at any time--and that time comes for all of us--but He could not uncreate you and make it so that you never existed--not without ceasing to be God Himself.
That's ridiculous. God is self sufficient and doesn't need anyone or anything. No humans existence is necessary. God's Godhood shouldn't be dependent upon human existence because it weakens Him and makes Him look needy.
 

Axe Elf

Prophet
That's ridiculous. God is self sufficient and doesn't need anyone or anything. No humans existence is necessary. God's Godhood shouldn't be dependent upon human existence because it weakens Him and makes Him look needy.

As I just explained, God's Godhood is dependent upon Him being omnibenevolent, omniscient, and omnipresent. If He allowed a universe that was not the best of all possible universes to exist, He would necessarily lose at least one of those defining characteristics, and as such, He would cease to be God.
 

Jos

Well-Known Member
As I just explained, God's Godhood is dependent upon Him being omnibenevolent, omniscient, and omnipresent. If He allowed a universe that was not the best of all possible universes to exist, He would necessarily lose at least one of those defining characteristics, and as such, He would cease to be God.
So in eternity past when humans didn't exist, did He still have His Godhood? Also was Hitler's existence necessary for this best possible universe we live in?
 

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
Staff member
Premium Member
Ok but can anyone answer my question as to why God is all-loving yet doesn't allow someone the choice to not be human anymore?
The real question is "Should we love everyone?" Your objection is correct. There is no answer to this question 'Why is God all loving' except if the morality in your own heart says it must be so. How are you going to connect with God if not morally? The gospels are quoted to say "God is spirit." 'Spirit' I think is not talking about ghosts and crystal balls but about choices.

First question for people of a Christian persuasion:
Why did God create anything at all if He existed by Himself in perfect relationship as a Holy Trinity having everything He would ever want or need?
I am of a Christian persuasion, but I understand that you are directing your question only to creationists and not to me. Their position is sad from more than one perspective. To clarify for you that there is a different perspective (and a better one) remember that Jesus is called "Alpha and Omega" and the "Author and finisher of our faith." What does Jesus create? He creates a ministry, an age, a new world. The NT authors demonstrate an understanding of this. Creationists do not seem to grasp it, or else it is simply not convenient to their aims.

If I remember correctly Job asked why He was suffering and God scolded him so it didn't seem like Job was questioning His sovereignity to me.
Job is a separate book within the Bible and contradicts points of view of some of the other authors, or rather he provides a different perspective. The Torah (Law of Moses) clearly states that good is rewarded with long life and health and evil is rewarded with plagues, but in Job we are told to forget that. In Job we are told things just happen to whoever, whenever and to just take it as it comes. (Thanks @Jayhawker Soule for pointing this out to me.)
Apparently its a theological book with a perspective or an exploration, not a absolute statement of how the whole Bible works. It demonstrates plainly, too, that the Biblical authors are not required to agree with each other. They seem permitted to have ideas and even thoughts of their own.

If He's all-sufficient within Himself and Has all His needs and wants met within Himself then it's contradictory for Him to want anything including glory, worship, relationship etc.
The position put forward is I think not a real position of theism and is therefore not relevant to your questions about theism versus agnosticism. If I say "He is all sufficient within himself" I am hopefully talking about philosophy (from which this language of sufficiency originates) and am hopefully not trying to limit God to a being with logically inconsistent descriptions. If I use the term 'Worship' I hopefully am referring to service to and fellowship with others who are made in the image of God. If my worship involves music it had better be for the benefit of people, or it is I think not worship at all. If I raise my hands in the air it had better be to help someone, or I say it is nothing but mimicking imagined actions of people I know nothing about. If my words mean nothing to you then I think they mean nothing to God either, because God is in you. What does God care about more: that I speak meaningfully to an invisible unchangeable principle or that I say something good and meaningful to you, a fellow and someone who can actually benefit from my words?
 
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