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Comparing Catholic Beliefs with the Teachings of Jesus in Scripture

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Romans 10:4: “Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness.”
The Sabbath was part of that law. It is not commanded for Christians.

Your referring to the testimony of the false prophet Paul, is not making your case. Sinners, the wicked, the lawless (1 John 3:4) , are in no way "righteous", and in fact, sons of the devil (1 John 3:8). Your position, would be that of the "serpent"/"dragon"/"devil".
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
:facepalm: Perhaps a little perception that is less self focused is in order. In the context of that statement is the thought that no one in the congregation, either anointed or other sheep is more or less important than another. All are important to Jesus.....
So, now you fix it due to my post. And no thanks for it.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Why did you ignore my question? Do you have anyone who believes as you do? Are you a church of many or just one?

If these things are your very own ideas, then I am sorry, you have just disqualified everything you have said.

Jesus does not head a church of one.

You seem to overlook the fact that it will only require one strong angel to metaphorically throw Babylon into the sea (Revelation 18:21). The Christian churches, which include the JWs, are none other than daughters of Babylon.

Joshua 23:10 One of you routs a thousand, because the LORD your God fights for you, just as he promised.

It is the "many" who are deceived. (Matthew 7:13).
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
You apparently do not keep the "Sabbath" holy, the 7th day, and attempt to worship your god on the day of the sun, the first day of the week. The problem being is that you can only worship God in Spirit and in Truth. The god you worship on the day of the sun, seems to be rooted in the 321 AD decree of Constantine, the beast with two horns like a lamb. The creator of all men, rested on the 7th day. Just because you are woman, does not mean you were not created by God. It is true that the Sabbath rest was to be a sign between God and his people, but if you want to claim to be one of God's people, you might want to get with the program. When the lemmings start falling off the cliff, that is a good time to get out of town.

As I have posted already, the Sabbath was for Jews only....and those who wanted to be converted to Judaism.

Exodus 31:16, 17: The sons of Israel must keep the sabbath, so as to carry out the sabbath during their generations. It is a covenant to time indefinite [“a perpetual covenant,” RS]. Between me and the sons of Israel it is a sign to time indefinite.”

Gentiles did not have to convert to Judaism...they were baptized as Christians......we do not observe a Sabbath because we are not Jewish.

We believe that the 7th day is still continuing as God allows time for all contingencies to be worked out in his rest period before he continues on with the rest of his plans for this vast Universe, which he obviously created for a reason. At the conclusion of the 7th day, God will then be able to say, as he did with the other creative days...."it is very good".

I was under the impression you had 144,000. The number apparently randomly taken from Revelation 14, which apparently is listing "celibates", which JWs 144,000, have probably none. As for the "one shepherd", he comes after judgment of the sheep and the goats (Ezekiel 34:17 & 23).

There are 144,000 chosen from the earth to rule with Christ. The Bible itself numbers these ones.

Revelation 14:1-5..."Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. 2 I heard a sound coming out of heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; and the sound that I heard was like singers who accompany themselves by playing on their harps. 3 And they are singing what seems to be a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders, and no one was able to master that song except the 144,000, who have been bought from the earth. 4 These are the ones who did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins. These are the ones who keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes. These were bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb, 5 and no deceit was found in their mouths; they are without blemish."

Their chaste condition is spiritual since some of the apostles and others among the first Christians were married, so it is not physical virginity that is being spoken about. They have not defiled themselves spiritually.

This is not the only mention of them however.

Revelation 7:2-4...."And I saw another angel ascending from the sunrise, having a seal of the living God; and he called with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying: “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel"


So these ones were sealed before harm was allowed to overtake this earth in the final showdown. 144,000 sealed out of the tribes of Israel.....not literal Israel because they had rejected God's Messiah....this is spiritual Israel, the ones with whom Jesus concluded his new covenant at the last supper.....the disciples of Christ, which later included Gentiles. "The Israel of God" (Galatians 6:16)

Then in Revelation 7:9-10 John sees another group....."After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep shouting with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

John asked who they were?

Revelation 7:13-14....."These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?” 14 So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one who knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 That is why they are before the throne of God, and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. 16 They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore, neither will the sun beat down on them nor any scorching heat, 17 because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them and will guide them to springs of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.” These last words are echoed in Revelation 21:2-4 where Jesus and his bride are seen bringing Kingdom rulership to the earth, when God has spread his tent over mankind.

So there are two groups who inherit salvation by virtue of Jesus' blood...a numbered group and an unnumbered one. To contrast the two in such a way reveals that the number must be literal. As in all governments, the minority rule over the majority. Only 144,000, chosen by God will be taken to heaven, and they will be resurrected first, (Revelation 20:6) The great crowd, are saved too, but will "inherit the earth" as Jesus promised.
 
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The Anointed

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Your referring to the testimony of the false prophet Paul, is not making your case. Sinners, the wicked, the lawless (1 John 3:4) , are in no way "righteous", and in fact, sons of the devil (1 John 3:8). Your position, would be that of the "serpent"/"dragon"/"devil".


2nd Peter 3: 15-16; Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and mentally unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

The righteous apostle Paul, who was chosen by the glorified Jesus to gather in the required number of Gentiles, said that the weekly Sabbath was but a shadow of the true reality in our future, the Day of our Lord, the seventh Day or the seventh period of one thousand years, when he shall judge the whole world with true justice, after which, heavenly fire will incinerate all physical life forms on this planet.

The Book of Jubilees 4: 30; And he (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it.

Concerning the day of the Lord God our savior, it is written in Acts 17: 30-31; In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from the dead."
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
You seem to overlook the fact that it will only require one strong angel to metaphorically throw Babylon into the sea (Revelation 18:21). The Christian churches, which include the JWs, are none other than daughters of Babylon.

Joshua 23:10 One of you routs a thousand, because the LORD your God fights for you, just as he promised.

It is the "many" who are deceived. (Matthew 7:13).

Still ignoring my question. You are a lone wolf, aren't you?.......who IMO, is as deceived as all the other lone wolves who think that only they know the truth.....Why don't you all get together and form the "right religion"? Probably because none of the lone wolves could agree. Can God be speaking to all of you...or any of you...if so, which one? How can I tell?

"Babylon the great" is a global version of original Babylon.....the seat of all false worship....including Christendom. We are warned to "get out of her" because if we don't, we will share in her fate.

False religion is the first to go according to Revelation 18. The merchants and the kings of the earth lament her passing because she was of use to them, but they have destroyed her without knowing why they did it. God put it into their minds to carry out his execution of something abhorrent to him. They will be next. Nowhere to run...nowhere to hide.
 

The Anointed

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Why did you ignore my question? Do you have anyone who believes as you do? Are you a church of many or just one?

If these things are your very own ideas, then I am sorry, you have just disqualified everything you have said.

Jesus does not head a church of one.



What has that got to do with anything? The Secret Doctrines eh? If they are not part of God's word I couldn't care less what they say.

Who told you that what you believe is the truth? You? :shrug:

Christ was not resurrected in a physical body as Peter clearly stated. As a spirit, he could materialize fleshly bodies in order to "appear" to his disciples, which he did on many occasions during the 40 days he remained on earth.

Spirit beings who were used to convey messages to God's servants on earth, invariably appeared in fleshly bodies and they ate and drank like any other humans. When Gabriel appeared to Mary to inform her of her coming role in producing the Messiah, he was in the form of a man, as he was when he appeared to Daniel centuries earlier. God's law forbade communication with spirits, so Jesus and the angels appeared as men. The only other way that God communicated was by visions and dreams.

Jesus on one occasion appeared in a locked room and when he broke bread they recognized him and he simply disappeared before their eyes. He was not raised as a man of flesh and blood. He did not stay with his apostles during the time he remained, as he had for the previous three and a half years, but only appeared to them.



Yes, Jesus would never have compromised God's law regarding communication with spirits, so he appeared as a man, and not always recognizable. It was as easy for Jesus to materialize a body with wounds to convince his disciples that he was raised from the dead.

Even as he was ascending to his Father, he was obscured by a cloud as he shed the body he had made for his last visit with them. He was raised as a spirit because flesh and blood cannot live in heaven. Physical bodies are designed to live in a physical realm......spirit bodies were designed for a spiritual realm. That is surely not difficult to understand...is it?

Who said he descended into hades to preach to the dead? Who said that the spirits were former humans? Who said that Jesus' fleshly body came out of the tomb? The Bible does not teach this. You are assuming it.

Deeje wrote...….. As Solomon wrote of himself....
"Not only had the congregator become wise but he continually taught the people what he knew, and he pondered and made a thorough search in order to compile many proverbs. 10 The congregator sought to find delightful words and to record accurate words of truth.

11 The words of the wise are like oxgoads, and their collected sayings are like firmly embedded nails; they have been given from one shepherd. 12 As for anything besides these, my son, be warned: To the making of many books there is no end, and much devotion to them is wearisome to the flesh.

13 The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole obligation of man. 14 For the true God will judge every deed, including every hidden thing, as to whether it is good or bad." (Ecclesiastes 12:9-14)


The Anointed........... Ben Sira’s Book of Wisdom belongs, together with the Book of Job, a number of the Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes and the Wisdom of Solomon to the Hokmar or Wisdom Literature of the Hebrews.

In the book of Sirach, R, H, Charles translation chapter 47 verse 17, it is written concerning Solomon, “By thy songs, parables, dark speeches, and satires, thou didst cause astonishment to the peoples etc.”

Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die. I envy those who are dead and gone; they are better off than those who are still alive. But better off than either, are those who have never been born etc.

A man may have a hundred children and live a long time, but no matter how long he lives, if he does not get his share of happiness and does not receive a descent burial, then I say that a baby born dead is better off.

Man and animal receive the same ultimate reward, total oblivion, from the dust they came and to the dust they shall return. A wise man is no better off than a fool, the reward for doing good is the same as that for doing evil, so don’t be too good or too wise, Why kill yourself?

We are all going to our final resting place, and although life is useless, the conclusion of the matter is, if you live a religious life you may at least experience some peace in the short span of consciousness that has been allocated to you in this useless life. So go ahead and eat, drink and be merry, drink your wine and be cheerful. It’s all right with God. Enjoy your life with the woman you love, as long as you live the useless life that God has given you in this world. Enjoy every useless day of it, because that is all that you’ll get for all your troubles.

Never again will you take part in anything that happens in the world, because there will be no action, no thought, no knowledge, no wisdom in the world of the dead to where the righteous, the wicked, the wise and the fools, animal and man, are all going. For the living know that they are going to die, but the dead know nothing.

Solomon’s songs are found in his book, ‘Song of Songs,’ his parables are found in his book of proverbs, his dark speeches are in the ‘Wisdom of Solomon,’ and who can read the negative and even depressing words from the book of ‘Ecclesiastes without realizing that here is the satirical work of Solomon, aimed at those people of the godless religion, who believed in neither life after death, or the resurrection from the dead. Poor souls, don’t they realise that what the mind believes, is what the mind receives.

The Hebrews believed God’s prophet Sirach, who said concerning Samuel 46: 20; “Even after he died, he prophesied to King Saul how he would die. Out of the grave he spoke as a prophet, to blot out the people’s wickedness.

But the JW’s false prophet says that Sirach was a liar, and it was not Samuel who spoke from the grave, but some filthy demon.

God’s prophet Isaiah, says in 57: 1-2; (1) Good people die, and no one understands or even cares. But when they die, no calamity can hurt them. (2) Those who lead good lives find peace and rest in death.

The JW’s prophet says that those who lead wicked lives find peace and rest in death. So to all the wicked on this earth; "Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow you die and will enter into rest, and never again will you take part in anything that happens in the world, because there will be no action, no thought, no knowledge, no wisdom in the world of the dead to where the righteous, the wicked, the wise and the fools, animal and man, are all going. For the living know that they are going to die, but the dead know nothing.
 
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2ndpillar

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"Babylon the great" is a global version of original Babylon.....the seat of all false worship....including Christendom. We are warned to "get out of her" because if we don't, we will share in her fate.

Yet you remain in "her" (Revelation 18:4) & (Zechariah 2:7). What you share in is "her plagues". Israel was promised freedom from the plagues of Egypt if she kept the commandments. You think you are free from the commandments/law, and subsequently look to the "beast" for your health disasters. Good luck with that.
 
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Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
The Hebrews believed God’s prophet Sirach, who said concerning Samuel 46: 20; “Even after he died, he prophesied to King Saul how he would die. Out of the grave he spoke as a prophet, to blot out the people’s wickedness.

But the JW’s false prophet says that Sirach was a liar, and it was not Samuel who spoke from the grave, but some filthy demon.

The ancient Jews had deep regard for the book of Daniel and held it to be canonical. Evidence suggests that the canon of the Hebrew Scriptures was closed long before the second century B.C.E. Later additions were simply not allowed, including some books written during the second century B.C.E.

Ironically, one of these rejected later works has been used as an argument against the book of Daniel. Guess which one.... the apocryphal book Ecclesiasticus, by Jesus Ben Sirach, which was evidently composed about 180 B.C.E.

Critics like to point out that Daniel is omitted from the book’s long list of righteous men. They reason that Daniel must have been unknown at the time. This argument is widely accepted among scholars. But consider this: The same list omits Ezra and Mordecai (both of whom were great heroes in the eyes of postexilic Jews), good King Jehoshaphat, and the faithful man Job, And of all the judges, it names only Samuel. Because such men are omitted from a list that makes no claim to be exhaustive, occurring in a non-canonical book, must we dismiss all of them as fictitious? The very notion is ridiculous.

You are barking up the wrong tree.

God’s prophet Isaiah, says in 57: 1-2; (1) Good people die, and no one understands or even cares. But when they die, no calamity can hurt them. (2) Those who lead good lives find peace and rest in death.

The JW’s prophet says that those who lead wicked lives find peace and rest in death. So to all the wicked on this earth; "Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow you die and will enter into rest, and never again will you take part in anything that happens in the world, because there will be no action, no thought, no knowledge, no wisdom in the world of the dead to where the righteous, the wicked, the wise and the fools, animal and man, are all going. For the living know that they are going to die, but the dead know nothing.

Good grief....! The wicked are consigned to the same place that Adam was sent....where was that? Genesis 3:19.

Everlasting life in the Bible is contrasted with everlasting death......there is no other place for the wicked. They will cease to exist....as if they had never been born.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
2nd Peter 3: 15-16; Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and mentally unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

2 Peter 3:16, the support you use to prop up the "Christian" church, based on Paul, is most likely written by someone besides Peter, who was probably dead when it was written. Also, keep in mind that Peter, was the "worthless shepherd", of Zechariah 11:16-17. Building on the foundation of Peter and Paul, the two "staffs" taken to "pasture" the "flock doomed for slaughter" (Zechariah 11:7), seems like a risky business, and would result in one building on a foundation of sand (Matthew 7:24-27).

Most critical biblical scholars have concluded Peter is not the author, considering the epistle pseudepigraphical.[1][2] Second Epistle of Peter - Wikipedia
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
You think you are free from the commandments/law, and subsequently look to the "beast" for your health disasters. Good luck with that.

Let's do a wait and see on that one shall we? Don't gloat too soon. Check my signature....

Lone wolves are not good predators......you need a pack.
Sheep need a flock....a good shepherd protects his sheep even from lone wolves.

You have no one to back you up, do you? How is it out there all by yourself?

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You have to know that God always had men to lead his people. Who are you leading?
 
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2ndpillar

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Gentiles did not have to convert to Judaism...they were baptized as Christians......we do not observe a Sabbath because we are not Jewish.

Ecclesiastes 12:13," The conclusion, when all has been heard, is fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person".

The exception is the "wicked", the tares", who follow the "evil one" (Matthew 13), and think they will be "twinkled" from life to life, and escape death (Isaiah 28:18), but best described by the serpent in (Genesis 3:4), in that "you surely shall not die". I think you have been spoofed. If you are among the survivors of the nations who survive Har-Magedon, you will surely send your leaders to worship the king on the High Sabbath of the feast of Booths. (Zechariah 14:16) in "Jerusalem".
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Let's do a wait and see on that one shall we? Don't gloat too soon. Check my signature....

Lone wolves are not good predators......you need a pack.
Sheep need a flock....a good shepherd protects his sheep even from lone wolves.

You have no one to back you up, do you? How is out there all by yourself?

If the LORD is with you, who can be against you. Psalm 118:6 The "ravenous wolves" of Matthew 7:15, refers to a quote from Genesis 49:27, which relates to the tribe of Benjamin, and also refers to the "false prophets". That they "come in sheep's clothing", would suggest that they are your "Christian" brothers. I am not "Christian", nor am I a JW. According to Yeshua in Matthew 23:10, there is only one "leader", and he is "Christ", and you are not to call any one teacher, for there is only one teacher, and it is not Paul, or his devotees. And you are correct, the wolves of the churches, come in packs, and eat the "flesh of the fat sheep" (Zechariah 11:16) & (Ezekiel 34:3), but will be judged, and "I will feed them with judgment" (Ezekiel 34:16).


New American Standard Bible Matthew 7:15
"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
If the LORD is with you, who can be against you. Psalm 118:6 The "ravenous wolves" of Matthew 7:15, refers to a quote from Genesis 49:27, which relates to the tribe of Benjamin, and also refers to the "false prophets". That they "come in sheep's clothing", would suggest that they are your "Christian" brothers. I am not "Christian", nor am I a JW. According to Yeshua in Matthew 23:10, there is only one "leader", and he is "Christ", and you are not to call any one teacher, for there is only one teacher, and it is not Paul, or his devotees. And you are correct, the wolves of the churches, come in packs, and eat the "flesh of the fat sheep" (Zechariah 11:16) & (Ezekiel 34:3), but will be judged, and "I will feed them with judgment" (Ezekiel 34:16).


New American Standard Bible Matthew 7:15
"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Who are your brethren....? Surely there will be others saved apart from your righteous self? How do we know that you are not a wolf in sheep's covering?

If you are not a Christian....then what are you?
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
The ancient Jews had deep regard for the book of Daniel and held it to be canonical. Evidence suggests that the canon of the Hebrew Scriptures was closed long before the second century B.C.E. Later additions were simply not allowed, including some books written during the second century B.C.E.

Ironically, one of these rejected later works has been used as an argument against the book of Daniel. Guess which one.... the apocryphal book Ecclesiasticus, by Jesus Ben Sirach, which was evidently composed about 180 B.C.E.

Critics like to point out that Daniel is omitted from the book’s long list of righteous men. They reason that Daniel must have been unknown at the time. This argument is widely accepted among scholars. But consider this: The same list omits Ezra and Mordecai (both of whom were great heroes in the eyes of postexilic Jews), good King Jehoshaphat, and the faithful man Job, And of all the judges, it names only Samuel. Because such men are omitted from a list that makes no claim to be exhaustive, occurring in a non-canonical book, must we dismiss all of them as fictitious? The very notion is ridiculous.

You are barking up the wrong tree.



Good grief....! The wicked are consigned to the same place that Adam was sent....where was that? Genesis 3:19.

Everlasting life in the Bible is contrasted with everlasting death......there is no other place for the wicked. They will cease to exist....as if they had never been born.

Flesh and blood does not enter into the kingdom of God, so what part of you does the Lord reward or punish?
It is the mind/spirit that develops within the physical body that God loves or rejects.

This body that you see---it isn’t really me
It’s but the womb in which I’m being formed
For I am spirit—I am mind
And it’s the only place you’ll find
WHO I AM, until the day I’m finally born
For I will not be free, until this body that you see
Has returned to the dust from whence it came
It’s then that I’ll be born from this womb in which I’m formed
To continue on in life’s eternal game...….The Anointed.

Who I am has an eternal past an has always existed in one form or another. Who I am, is connected to the very beginning, by a genetic thread of life, and I am one with and an extension to Who I Am and I am true to Who I am.
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I longed to hear someone express the words I couldn’t speak
Reveal to me the mysteries of life that all men seek
So I sought the men of science, who say----this world---it has no mind
Oh they say that it’s evolving, but will die one day in time
So then the men of piousness, with them I sat me down
But they say, God has no body, those men in flowing gowns
Then finally in silent dream, just me and “Who I Am”
We floated on life’s living stream, with a pen held in my hand
It was then the veil began to tear, in this Temple that is me
And here, within this sanctuary, I saw the one that I will be...…The Anointed.

You are body, soul and spirit. Your body is created from the universal elements, and it is activated by the universal soul, which is the animating principle that pervades the entire universal body, activating everything within the universe, It is to the universal soul=LIFE-FORCE, that all information or SPIRIT, is gathered.

“YOU,” as a human being, are Body, Soul and Spirit, but “YOU” the invisible mind, are spirit. The body in which you, [The mind] are developing as the supreme head and controller of that body, is made up of the universal elements, which is activated by the soul [Animating life force] to which all the spirit [gathered information] of all your ancestors, human and pre-human has been gathered in its evolution to become who you are, and that parental spirit dwells behind the veil of the flesh to the inner most sanctuary of its temporary earthly tabernacle or tent, which is your physical body, as it awaits the creation of its glorious temple of incorruptible Light. [THE SON OF MAN]

If that body in which your parental spirit dwells, were born without the sense of sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch, etc, then no information whatsoever could be taken into the brain, and “YOU” who are spirit [Gathered information] could never have begun to develop and the living body, in which the parental spirit dwells, would soon die, never having developed a personality or “CONTROLLING GODHEAD” to that body, which godhead should be an obedient servant to “WHO YOU ARE.”

Then of the Thee in Me who works behind The veil,
I lifted up my hands to find A lamp amid the Darkness;
and I heard, As from Without----
“The Me within Thee is blind.”----- By Omar Khayyam.

When the body in which you [the mind] are being formed, dies, [This is the first death] and your body of “skin, flesh, muscle, blood, bone, brain matter etc, etc,” has returned to the universal elements from which it was created, all that remains, is a shadow or rather, a facsimile of YOU, the mind or spirit, that has been imprinted into the universal life force or soul, from which it will be resurrected in the next cycle of universal activity. Unless of course, the information=spirit that is “YOU” has condemned ‘WHO YOU ARE’ and ‘WHO YOU ARE’ having being condemned by ‘YOU’, is then divided from the universal life-force, which is the second death. For the spirit=information that is you, can be divided from the universal soul. Hebrews 4: 12.---------“For the word of God is alive and active, sharper than any two edged sword. It cuts all the way through to the division of the soul and spirit.”

Exodus 3: 14; God said to Moses; “I Am Who I Am.”

Today I became the one I am, the one that I was yesterday is gone
The one I’ll be tomorrow I will be: but today I found “I AM Who I Am.”

For, I am, ‘who I am’ and may I never lose sight of the fact
that I am “Who I Am” day and night
I’m not who I was nor who I will be,
For “Who I Am” is the name that My God gave to me.

We humans, may express in our spoken words, all the information that has been gathered through the senses of our bodies in the creation of the invisible minds or spirits that are “WE”. Our word is the expression of “Who we are.” Your words are the expression of the spirit that is “YOU” the mind.

The flesh is of no use said the Lord, who put HIS WORDS into the mouth of his chosen heir, it is the spirit that gives life, and my words are spirit.

But the “LOGOS=WORD” and BRAHMAN=SPEECH” which are the gathered universal information=spirit of the aeons, express the information that has been gathered to the universal soul as another universal body, which is in the image and likeness to the previous universe, [The Resurrection] in which the eternal Spirit or mind has and can, continue to evolve.

You the invisible mind that has developed within that created body are the controlling godhead to that body, with which you are one being, [body, soul and spirit]. But our words or our speech, is merely the expression of the thoughts that are stored in the minds that are we.

The term, "THE WORD OF GOD," pertains to the sense that is identical to the term “LOGOS” or the mold. The mold by which the whole sense of a thing is given. In other words, the very plan from the outset. In Sanskrit the similar meaning is given in the use of the word 'vach.' Vach means word. But in Sanskrit teachings of the Sanatana Dharma, vach has many levels. Including where the word is first considered as being in the mind as a thought, not as the spoken word or speech.

The Logos/word, and Brahman/speech, should be seen as the gathered information of past aeons that is waiting to be expressed. The LOGOS is in fact, the invisible living universal mind, in which is gathered all of the information of every universal body throughout all eternity and should be seen as the essential divine reality of the universe, the eternal spirit from which all being originates, and to which all must return.

And now my friend, come soar with me
To the outer limits of reality
This universe, though wide it seems
Is but the shadow of our dreams
We are nought but knowledge in these tents
Refined through pain and punishment
We're the hive of man and neath His rod
We are one, we're the Son of God
The past, the present, the future is He
He was, He is, and He will be
And heaven is but a point in time
To where the spirit in man must climb
Eventually when He's there at last
And stands and gazes on His past
And takes the throne prepared in heaven
Then all His past will be forgiven.
I am who I am, the die is cast
For I was created by my past
And we who we are this very day
Determines His future in every way
If my past were changed, then who would I be?
One thing is certain, I wouldn't be me.

So get behind me you Charlatan priests, and you shams
For I am true to my God, to MY God, “WHO I AM.”

Who I Am, the only name by which we can be saved.
 
Your Coptic church, etc., are not the Roman Catholic church. It is the Roman Catholic church who brought in the 367 AD canon, and it is the same today as it was then. Luther didn't have the power to take anything out of the NT canon. And the Protestant church is not built on your succession of leadership, starting with the "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:17), Peter. They rely more on the man of lawlessness (Romans 7:6), Paul, the "staff" called "Favor" (Zechariah 11:10), and his false gospel of grace/cross. And it is Scripture, which refers to your "fathers", as inheriting "nothing but falsehood" (Jeremiah 16:19).

Eusebius fairy tail vision of Milvian Bridge, is proof enough of his falsifying history. That fairy tale is why Spanish monks led the conquistador while holding a cross, to justify killing and enslaving American natives. The message of Sol Invictus was go and conquer under this sign (the sign of the cross), an ancient pagan symbol, and the shape of Constantine's banner, in homage of the sun god, Sol Invictus. The coin produced by Constantine in 313 AD, in honor of Sol Invictus, is proof the actual event.

I like you, I'm warring against the Catholics. NOT my church,
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Who are your brethren....? Surely there will be others saved apart from your righteous self? How do we know that you are not a wolf in sheep's covering?

If you are not a Christian....then what are you?

Your misquoting Matthew 7:15. It is "ravenous wolves" (plural), in sheep's clothing. As written in Zechariah 14:16, there will even be some of those "of all the nations"/Gentiles, which will be "saved", which means "survive" (Joel 2:31). And of course "Jacob" will be "saved from it"/survive, but will be "chastened" "justly" (Jeremiah 30:11). The "house of Israel" will be taken from the nations/Gentiles and "settled in your own land" (Ezekiel 3:22 & 24) "for my holy name". As for being "Christian", Yeshua was not a Christian, but a Jew. It is the followers of the shepherds/staffs, Peter and Paul, who are called "Christian". (Zechariah 11:7) Their days, "many days" of the "adulteress", are coming to an end (Matthew 7:24-27) & (Hosea 3).
 
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