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Addendum to Isaiah 53:9.

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
Scripture interprets scripture. So once Revelation 3:6 keys us in (so to say), concerning who holds the key to the throne of David, the doorway into his everlasting rule, we've been given safe passage into the very Presence of God's holy shrine, the place where prayers will be sacrificed unto God forever.

And I will fasten him with a nail in a sure place . . ..

22:23.​

The one with the key to the throne of David (22:22) will be fastened with a nail (יתד) in a "sure" (אמן) place. . . The word of the prophet says "nail" (יתד); and the word of the prophet says "amen" (אמן). The word translated "sure" is the Hebrew word "amen" (אמן) which any prayerful worshiper surely recognizes as the final word expressed when prayers are directed toward the very throne of God, the shrine of his Presence.

Isaiah 53:9 claims the suffering-messiah will become a "shrine" (במתין) in his death, a place where prayers are sacrificed to God. So too, here, the one with the key to the throne of David, David's greater son, Messiah, is said to be nailed in a place of prayer, a particular shrine, as the emblem of worship representing God's very Presence.

And it will be seen as the glorious throne of his father's house.

Ibid.​

After realizing Revelation 3:6 reveals the person with the key to the throne of David (who will open the kingdom for some, and no one will shut it on them, and close it for others, and no one will open it for them), we read in the very next verse that the person with this key to the throne and kingdom of David will be fastened to a shrine (Isa. 53:9) where prayers are offered with "amen," and that this shrine where prayers are offered with amen will be seen as the very throne of Messiah's father's house: "And I will fasten him with a nail as the object of prayer; And this shrine will be seen as the glorious throne of his father's house."

The next verse in Isaiah chapter 22, verse 24, is one of the most mangled and tangled pieces of exegesis one could ever imagine. And for good reason. Since with the previous verses as the Davidic key to verse 24, it (verse 24), can quite literally be seen as the passage behind which can be found the greatest Jew-el of the greatest prophet of Israel.



John

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Thank you, John. I also entirely agree that scripture must be allowed to interpret scripture. I believe this principle to be essential to a sound understanding of God's word.

When I stand back and take a panoramic view, I see every word of scripture pointing to Jesus Christ as the Word of God. How can one not become excited! The Gospel is to be found woven into a perfect prophecy, all the way from Genesis to Revelation.

To have that Word dwelling within, abiding in us through the Holy Spirit, is to dwell in Christ, and have Christ dwell in us.
But none of that is possible without the cross.

I do remember the biblical explorer, Ron Wyatt, saying to me that he thought the blood of Jesus flowed down the tree (cross), through fissures in the ground and into a cavern (Jeremiah's grotto) where the Ark of the Covenant was laid (which he claimed to have seen). As a literal fulfilment, the blood of the Lamb would have been spread over the Mercy Seat as the atoning sacrifice was made for all mankind! [Something to think about!]
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
I try to avoid using words that are peculiar to any certain denomination because I want anyone to be able to understand what I am saying. Another denomination does this to get people to ask questions and convince them that their denomination is privy to knowledge that no one else has. They even have knowledge that they say can not be understood by them without going through certain rituals and making certain agreements, and using specific hand signals. This is from the pit of Hell.
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
These things saith he that is holy, he that is true,
he that hath the key of David, he that openeth,
and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

Revelation 3:6-9.

And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder;
So he shall open, and none shall shut;
And he shall shut, and none shall open.

Isaiah 22:22.

Revelation 3:6-9 establishes a direct link between the personage speaking in the text of the passage and the person described through prophetic utterance in Isaiah chapter 22 (with emphasis on verses 22 through 25). John the Revelator clearly takes it for granted that Isaiah 22:20-25 is speaking parabolically concerning someone other than Eliakim son of Hilkiah. He makes the statements that are found in Isaiah 22:22-25 apply directly to the person speaking in Revelation 3:6-9.

Linkages of this sort aren't uncommon throughout the Gospels and Apostolic Writings such that the link itself isn't worthy of a cutting exegetical analysis. On the other hand, what's more than worthy of careful examination is the manner in which the link between Revelation 3:6-9 and Isaiah 22:23-25 connect the latter passage to the cutting exegesis of Isaiah 53:9 that took place here earlier this self-same year.

Isaiah 53:9
KJV "And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither [was any] deceit in his mouth."

LXX "And I will give the wicked for his burial, and the rich for his death; for he practised no iniquity, nor craft with his mouth."

Matthios 10:32 "Whosoever therefore shall confess Me before men, him will I confess also before My Father which is in heaven."
Matthios 19:22-23 "But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. Then said Iesous unto His disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven."

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Would it have been the nature of Iesous to be buried in a rich man's tomb?
Or by two secret disciples? Whose activities even Mary had no knowledge of.

In any case, the Massoretic of your OP verse makes no sense at all.
But the LXX identifies both the wicked and the rich.
 
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John D. Brey

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Isaiah 53:9
KJV "And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither [was any] deceit in his mouth."

LXX "And I will give the wicked for his burial, and the rich for his death; for he practised no iniquity, nor craft with his mouth."

Matthios 10:32 "Whosoever therefore shall confess Me before men, him will I confess also before My Father which is in heaven."
Matthios 19:22-23 "But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. Then said Iesous unto His disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven."

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Would it have been the nature of Iesous to be buried in a rich man's tomb?
Or by two secret disciples? Whose activities even Mary had no knowledge of.

In any case, the Massoretic of your OP verse makes no sense at all.
But the LXX identifies both the wicked and the rich.

The Hebrew word translated "deaths" (in the better translations) is even better translated "shrine." In his death he became a "shrine" במתין.

. . . How many person's kind of death, becomes, i.e., the place and nature of their death, a shrine? Do you know anyone like that?



John
 
Contrary to the “monotheism” preached by the Jewish faith (Judaism) in which their national deity, Yahweh, was touted as the “one and only God,” the translators found clear records in the texts of many superhuman beings called elohiym (gods) who took interest in, or took charge of the affairs of individuals or nations.

The records also showed that Yahweh was the personal name of just one of these elohiym each of whom was called an el or eloah. And that each of these elohiym had his or her personal name. The chief of these elohiym, according to the texts, was not even Yahweh, but another entity entirely, called El or El Elyon.

An accurate translation of these texts into Greek, the widely spoken language of those times, would deal a great blow to the Jewish faith. Not only would it expose the fallacy of the brand of monotheism preached by Judaism, it would also reduce Yahweh to the status of the gods and goddesses of other nations —- nations, which the Jews had always branded “idol worshippers.”

The Jewish scholars did not want these to happen. So they took a most patriotic —- but fraudulent —- decision: to doctor their translations to agree with the Jewish brand of monotheism, which claims that Yahweh, their local deity is the “one and only God” of the whole universe, while the deities of all other nations are demons or mere idols —- or totally non- existent.

They did accordingly.

They translated those five Hebrew words variously as it suited their purpose.

*Anywhere they saw the word elohiym (the plural form of el or eloah), meaning deities or gods, the Jewish scholars mistranslated it into Greek as Theou _ a singular word meaning “God” with capital letter “G”.

But they translated the same word correctly as gods when it refers to the elohiym of other nations.

Thus elohiym is mistranslated as God instead of gods in the very first sentence of Genesis; in Exodus 3:1; in Genesis 32:28 etc., but correctly as gods in Psalm 82:6; in Deuteronomy 32:17; Exodus 23:13, etc.

*The translators began referring to Yahweh as God such that “Yahweh told Moses” becomes “God told Moses” (e.g. Exodus 3:14) and actually translated Yahweh as God or the LORD (all capitals) or left it as Yahweh.

*They correctly translated el or eloah of other nations as god but translated same words incorrectly as God when it refers to the el or eloah of Israel.

Thus, while “el Philistine” is translated as “god of the Philistines”, “el Israel” is translated “God of Israel.”

As an example of how very misleading this can be, “el Philistine” in the Yoruba Bible is “Orisa awon Filistini” but el Israel” becomes “Olorun Israeli”, instead of “Orisa Israeli”.

*They translated El or El Elyon, the chief of all Canaanite gods also as God or God Most High (or Most High).

This way, the translators craftily erase this entity and prevent his identification as an authority separate from and by far superior to Yahweh their own local god.

For instance, the “Most High God” in Genesis 14:18 (whose priest was Melchizedeck), the “Most High” in Deuteronomy 32:8 and the “God” in Psalm 82:6 all refer to El Elyon, not Yahweh god of Israel.

The overall result of this deliberate mistranslations is a totally misleading impression/concept that Yahweh=Elohiym=God=God Most High.

The end product of this heavily flawed translation was The Septuagint (LXX), the first authorized compilation of Hebrew religious texts in Greek.

It is a document produced by the Jews about the Jews. Why must anybody take their word for it?

But evidently, the Christian Church did.

And this heavily racial and flawed document later got incorporated into the Christian Bible as the “Old Testament.”

And because it is in the Bible, the typical simple-minded Christian considers it “perfect”.

And so, today, millions of Christians sing praises of Yahweh (Jehovah) as God Almighty, not knowing they are worshipping a mere orisa “idol”—- the local deity of the ancient Israelites.

The concept of God, the Supreme Being, is so crucial and fundamental to our lives that any misconceptions about it can do incalculable harm to our worldview. This is, especially so, when the misconception is an impersonation of that most elevated being by a local deity of such a violent nature as Yahweh.

For instance, many Bible readers have been led to believe that the unprovoked attacks and invasion of other nations by the ancient Israelites and the blood-curling slaughter of women and children were ordered by God, the Supreme Being.

That is a lie.

It was Yahweh, the local deity of the Jews, one of the most blood-thirsty deities, who ordered those massacres. African gospellers especially, should carefully distinguish between the humanistic gospel of Jesus of Nazareth and the clannish inhumanity of the Israelite deity, Yahweh, which has brought on both the Jews and the rest of the world the very worst of human calamities.

It is difficult to believe that the highest hierarchy of the Church is unaware of this “God fraud.” After all, the translators of the new Living Translation of The Holy Bible, Tyndale House Publishers, admit in the introduction to that version that: “All appearances of ‘el, ‘elohim or ‘eloah have been translated as “God” except where the context demands the translation “god(s).”

And that context, as already pointed out, is whenever these words refer to nations other than the Israelites —- that is, all other nations of the world.

Fortunately, however, this “God fraud” was not perfectly executed. Many Old Testament passages and expressions give away the mistranslations.

For instance, the frequent occurrence of the expression “God of Israel” “God of Jacob” shows that the Hebrew words translated as “God” were never originally used as proper names like Yemi or Julius, but were generic terms like “Protector” or “guardian”. There can be many protectors or guardians.

Indeed, many of the elohiym acted as protectors of peoples or individuals with whom many of them signed pacts or “covenants.” It was common practice in ancient times for nations or races to sign pacts (covenants) with these gods.

Baal, one of the more charismatic gods with whom Yahweh competed bitterly for the affections of the Israelites, was called “Baal-of-the-covenant” by the people of Shechem with whom he apparently signed a pact.

Yahweh was simply one of these gods who took charge of the affairs of the Israelites —- after a covenant with their leaders on Mt. Sinai. There was nothing special about Yahweh “choosing” the Israelites.

To say, therefore, that the Israelites were the “chosen people” of a deity called Yahweh would be correct. But to call them the “chosen people of God” is fraud.
 
I am called Adonai by my father, El Shaddai by others. Ha-Shem because no one knows who I truly am. The "unknowable God".
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
I have a suspicion that the important parts of the Books are translated close enough. Perhaps these books are meant to tell a story without huge emphasis being on accuracy? The most important parts of the Books can be printed on a single page.
 
I have a suspicion that the important parts of the Books are translated close enough. Perhaps these books are meant to tell a story without huge emphasis being on accuracy? The most important parts of the Books can be printed on a single page.

True, to an extent. God is meticulous about communication. Everything he does is needed. SO, yes, the bible is enough to get you many places. The ONLY parts that matter are John 3:16 and Matthew 22:37-39.

With JUST THAT, God brings you to me and I show you how to save your own ***.
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
The Hebrew word translated "deaths" (in the better translations) is even better translated "shrine." In his death he became a "shrine" במתין.

. . . How many person's kind of death, becomes, i.e., the place and nature of their death, a shrine? Do you know anyone like that?



John

Interesting point. As for knowing anyone like that... who doesn't?

In history, many people practiced hero-worship and ancestor-worship. The Early Inhabitants of Greece, when they lived in Britain as the Picts, had the bee-hive tombs the Mycenean Pelasgians had also used. Those same bee-hive tombs were found in the Deserts of France... and there are any number of crackpot theories for their use pushed by scholars.

Today, we have tombs and gravestones, which don't necessarily tell us how they died, but the flowers on the graves say a lot. As for what you term "the place and nature of their death, a shrine"... flower-and-note-covered memorials at crash sites pretty much speak for themselves. [You can learn an awful lot about a people just from their burial rites, as to the broad picture of who was who, back in the day.]

Probably the only race that didn't form some sort of religion around the corpse itself were the Nordics and Achaeans (who are almost certainly the same people). William Ridgeway (of my signature block) tells us that the burning of the corpse was brought south by none other than the Aryan Nordics who were actually responsible for Hallstatt and LaTene. [Oddly enough, most Celtic Studies will tell you that the Celts were brachycephalic... which is probably hard to tell from burnt bones... meaning that the term Celtic wasn't fairly applied to either race or language, but instead was a civilization wholy invented by the Nordics.]
 
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OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
[...]
Thus, while “el Philistine” is translated as “god of the Philistines”, “el Israel” is translated “God of Israel.”

As an example of how very misleading this can be, “el Philistine” in the Yoruba Bible is “Orisa awon Filistini” but el Israel” becomes “Olorun Israeli”, instead of “Orisa Israeli”.

*They translated El or El Elyon, the chief of all Canaanite gods also as God or God Most High (or Most High).

This way, the translators craftily erase this entity and prevent his identification as an authority separate from and by far superior to Yahweh their own local god.

For instance, the “Most High God” in Genesis 14:18 (whose priest was Melchizedeck), the “Most High” in Deuteronomy 32:8 and the “God” in Psalm 82:6 all refer to El Elyon, not Yahweh god of Israel.

The overall result of this deliberate mistranslations is a totally misleading impression/concept that Yahweh=Elohiym=God=God Most High.

The end product of this heavily flawed translation was The Septuagint (LXX), the first authorized compilation of Hebrew religious texts in Greek.
[...]
For instance, many Bible readers have been led to believe that the unprovoked attacks and invasion of other nations by the ancient Israelites and the blood-curling slaughter of women and children were ordered by God, the Supreme Being.
[...]
To say, therefore, that the Israelites were the “chosen people” of a deity called Yahweh would be correct. But to call them the “chosen people of God” is fraud.

Keep in mind that the OT even tells us that the Philistines (large Nordic-seeming people that brought iron) were more righteous than the man who thought they'd murder him for his wife... or the men who burnt their crops.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg of what's wrong with the bible story... because I agree with you... the God who wrote "thou shalt not kill" and "pray for your enemy" didn't change His mind in the middle to say pretty much what some Romish genocidal maniac said: "Kill them all, God will know His own."

One more thing: Homer says the reason for the Trojan war was Helen of Achaea... the Achaeans had kings rather than queens, but Helen was born a Pelasgian whose people were matriarchial... just as were the Picts of Britain. Control of Helen meant control of Lacedaemonia, and eventually, all of Greece... till the Dorians came. People who don't know these things also think Maccabees is totally legit. But if Maccabees is right, then the Spartans weren't practicing Judaism at all... even if you can somehow believe that they were related to the Jews. Because the truth that is the Spartans were Pelasgian Greeks.

Throughout history, people have been calling themselves the "chosen people"... i.e., the children of God... but when the Pelasgian Greeks said it, people called it mythology. And the missing history of Britain started and ended in Greece. The Romish monks made up a bunch of novels to replace the Druidic histories they burned. The Picts and the Pelasgian Thracians&Illyrians wore tattoos. Caesar claimed that the Britons used Greek letters... well, duuuuhh!

How many things, strung together, still look like coincidence?
.................. William Ridgeway is right. .......................
 
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OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
True, to an extent. God is meticulous about communication. Everything he does is needed. SO, yes, the bible is enough to get you many places. The ONLY parts that matter are John 3:16 and Matthew 22:37-39.

With JUST THAT, God brings you to me and I show you how to save your own ***.

Many people look at 3:16, and completely skip Jo.12:48-50 and Matt.7:24-25.

And then there's this:

Matt.28:18 And Ieseus came and spake unto them, saying, "All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world." Amen.

Rev.3:8-10 "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name.* Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

* Name, onoma = ... (authority, character) ... --Strong's

God wants us to know His nature, so that we will know what is NOT His nature. If you're eating from the wrong tree, dying you shall die. Iesous quotes enough of the OT for us to know what God said to Moses... and what He didn't.
 

John D. Brey

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Interesting point. As for knowing anyone like that... who doesn't? . . . In history, many people practiced hero-worship and ancestor-worship.

. . . Isaiah 53 isn't speaking of a hero. It speaks of someone despised by his peers. A leper. . . And yet this despised person, this leper, this criminal, becomes the most profound shrine the world has ever known. The cross worn between the breast of millions if not billions of human beings around the globe is a shrine to a leper, a despised man.

That's the irony.


John


ד׳

חכמה עצה דעת רוחויראתד׳וגבורהובינה
רוח
רוח
רוח
ח
ו
ט
ר

ג ז ע​
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
. . . Isaiah 53 isn't speaking of a hero. It speaks of someone despised by his peers. A leper. . . And yet this despised person, this leper, this criminal, becomes the most profound shrine the world has ever known. The cross worn between the breast of millions if not billions of human beings around the globe is a shrine to a leper, a despised man.

I personally don't understand worshipping a car that ran over a child.

The lepers got that way from eating pigs... which used to eat garbage.
Iesous was probably not guilty of that, either.
 
Many people look at 3:16, and completely skip Jo.12:48-50 and Matt.7:24-25.

And then there's this:

Matt.28:18 And Ieseus came and spake unto them, saying, "All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world." Amen.

Rev.3:8-10 "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name.* Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

* Name, onoma = ... (authority, character) ... --Strong's

God wants us to know His nature, so that we will know what is NOT His nature. If you're eating from the wrong tree, dying you shall die. Iesous quotes enough of the OT for us to know what God said to Moses... and what He didn't.

God want's y'all to know a lot of things. No man has ever seen God except his begotten son. God has angels who give humanity messages and even an angel who brings the prayers of mankind to Gods ear. SO I ask, why do you think he wants you to know his nature when you don't even know your own? How do you know what God wants or doesn't?
 
. . . Isaiah 53 isn't speaking of a hero. It speaks of someone despised by his peers. A leper. . . And yet this despised person, this leper, this criminal, becomes the most profound shrine the world has ever known. The cross worn between the breast of millions if not billions of human beings around the globe is a shrine to a leper, a despised man.

That's the irony.


John


ד׳

חכמה עצה דעת רוחויראתד׳וגבורהובינה
רוח
רוח
רוח
ח
ו
ט
ר

ג ז ע​

Pretty much nails the woes of the begotten anointed son.
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
God want's y'all to know a lot of things. No man has ever seen God except his begotten son. God has angels who give humanity messages and even an angel who brings the prayers of mankind to Gods ear. SO I ask, why do you think he wants you to know his nature when you don't even know your own? How do you know what God wants or doesn't?

Know how they teach people how to spot a phoney dollar bill?
Or d'you think they oughta teach'm both fakes and phonies n'then let'em figure out which is which on their own?
Logic suggests that to know the phonies, you have to know the real, both inside and out.
Who would be wanting to teach us that, in your opinion, SoEE?

God tells us that we are responsible for kicking out the false prophets...
... and tells us how to know what the false prophet will be teaching...
... in a book banned by Paul... I know, convenient, right?
If the prophet overthrows what the previous prophets have taught... guess what? FALSE.
That's what Paul does... in spades... by pretending that everything changed when Iesu was murdered in cold blood... by Paul's own faction, no less... and then Paul proceeds to call himself all sorts of titles that he's the only witness thereof... and tells y'all that if y'don't believe "I Paul" you're going to hedoublehockeysticks.
-- The Letters of Paul: A Cautionary Tale.
(Run do not walk to the nearest no-Paul-chapel... or your closet, whichever suits y'all.)

Oh, and... hate t'tell'ya, but I DO know my own nature... t's why I need to follow Iesu.
 

The Anointed

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Know how they teach people how to spot a phoney dollar bill?
Or d'you think they oughta teach'm both fakes and phonies n'then let'em figure out which is which on their own?
Logic suggests that to know the phonies, you have to know the real, both inside and out.
Who would be wanting to teach us that, in your opinion, SoEE?

God tells us that we are responsible for kicking out the false prophets...
... and tells us how to know what the false prophet will be teaching...
... in a book banned by Paul... I know, convenient, right?
If the prophet overthrows what the previous prophets have taught... guess what? FALSE.
That's what Paul does... in spades... by pretending that everything changed when Iesu was murdered in cold blood... by Paul's own faction, no less... and then Paul proceeds to call himself all sorts of titles that he's the only witness thereof... and tells y'all that if y'don't believe "I Paul" you're going to hedoublehockeysticks.
-- The Letters of Paul: A Cautionary Tale.
(Run do not walk to the nearest no-Paul-chapel... or your closet, whichever suits y'all.)

Oh, and... hate t'tell'ya, but I DO know my own nature... t's why I need to follow Iesu.

And everyone who listens to your rants against The apostles of the Lord, know your nature also. Still spewing out your hatred for Paul the apostle chosen by the Lord to replace Judas Iscariot and gather in the required number of Gentiles to replace the 12,000 from the lost tribe of Benjamin I see.
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
And everyone who listens to your rants against The apostles of the Lord, know your nature also. Still spewing out your hatred for Paul the apostle chosen by the Lord to replace Judas Iscariot and gather in the required number of Gentiles to replace the 12,000 from the lost tribe of Benjamin I see.

(1) Paul is the only one who ever called Paul an apostle, over and over ad nauseam... apparently they didn't believe him, either. Maybe they'd read Matthew 28, and learned that the Disciples who followed Jesus every day, who were known to (gasp) actually quote Him... were sent to the Gentiles... contrary to what Paul says about Peter et al.
(2) Paul is the only witness to Paul's wilderness conversion.
(3) Benjamin isn't a lost tribe, he's part of the Jews... has been since the Divided Kingdom.
(4) Iesu says His sheep follow Him... meaning they do what the Good Shepherd says...
(5) Paul fulfills Matthew 23:34 and must also fulfill Matthew 23:35 to fulfill Iesu's prophecy.

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves." (I'm thinking this prophecy will be completely fulfilled as well.)

The sloppy sentimentalism that is the clothing of Paulianity says God would even save a murdering Pharisee... even if it meant breaking Iesu's prophecy... God forbid that should ever happen. Paul called himself a Pharisee right to the bitter end... not a used-to-be-Pharisee... or Luke wrote even more lies than he is so obviously guilty of. And what can you expect from someone who wrote down Paul's three conversions without batting an eye. They say that Jude wrote specifically of your hero, and that James also had him in mind... and of course, Iesu tells us what will become of those who are taught by the false prophet school of Pauline Jezebel... she becomes the full-fledged harlot of Babylon, having swallowed the lies of Paul, and his imputation-reckoning. Some people are always in the mood for a snake oil salesman and a used car, apparently.

Here's the thing: Iesu never stopped telling us to stop working. Paul is all about resting on your laurels and claiming that Iesu died for every sin you still keep committing even after Iesu called it paid. But Iesu didn't pay for the sins you do after you believe and actually follow His teachings... He tells you that you have to admit your sins to those you've injured. If they were paid for, why admit to anything? Iesu tells us that if we don't forgive a sin that is repented of our Father will not forgive us. That's not imputed-righteousness, either... it's works, period. The friend of God is the one who does God's Commandments as given to us by His Son Iesu. The unfriends rejoice that the Pharisees murdered the Son and worship the instrument of His death. Why? Because they don't have to be nice people who love their neighbors, since "all things are lawful" for them. Jude was right about where that road leads. It doesn't matter a hill of beans how many lists of "Paul says don't" you break, then. Paul's words not only contradict themselves ad nauseam, they keep a dead man dead... and he makes it so easy for them that they don't even have to look for the loopholes to slide through... he's done it for them.

The guy who said it was expedient for one man to die for Israel was the same man Iesu tells to his face that he has no right being a teacher. Iesu died to give us a way to follow Him. Before that, Iesu had the Holy Spirit full time... no sharing. It seems like John the Baptist lost the Spirit when Iesu took over... we see JohnB. asking if Iesu is the one they were seeking... before that, JohnB. witnessed to it. What changed was the placement of the Holy Spirit. Now, only those who love Iesu and keep His commandments are given the link of the Spirit of God. Those without works have a different spirit entirely. The Pharisees thought that making Iesu their scapegoat would keep them from spiritual death. But Iesu never accepts those who don't "continue with" Him. Salvation is all about our works, as Revelation so clearly shows those who have ears to hear.
 

The Anointed

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(1) Paul is the only one who ever called Paul an apostle, over and over ad nauseam... apparently they didn't believe him, either. Maybe they'd read Matthew 28, and learned that the Disciples who followed Jesus every day, who were known to (gasp) actually quote Him... were sent to the Gentiles... contrary to what Paul says about Peter et al.
(2) Paul is the only witness to Paul's wilderness conversion.
(3) Benjamin isn't a lost tribe, he's part of the Jews... has been since the Divided Kingdom.
(4) Iesu says His sheep follow Him... meaning they do what the Good Shepherd says...
(5) Paul fulfills Matthew 23:34 and must also fulfill Matthew 23:35 to fulfill Iesu's prophecy.

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves." (I'm thinking this prophecy will be completely fulfilled as well.)

The sloppy sentimentalism that is the clothing of Paulianity says God would even save a murdering Pharisee... even if it meant breaking Iesu's prophecy... God forbid that should ever happen. Paul called himself a Pharisee right to the bitter end... not a used-to-be-Pharisee... or Luke wrote even more lies than he is so obviously guilty of. And what can you expect from someone who wrote down Paul's three conversions without batting an eye. They say that Jude wrote specifically of your hero, and that James also had him in mind... and of course, Iesu tells us what will become of those who are taught by the false prophet school of Pauline Jezebel... she becomes the full-fledged harlot of Babylon, having swallowed the lies of Paul, and his imputation-reckoning. Some people are always in the mood for a snake oil salesman and a used car, apparently.

Here's the thing: Iesu never stopped telling us to stop working. Paul is all about resting on your laurels and claiming that Iesu died for every sin you still keep committing even after Iesu called it paid. But Iesu didn't pay for the sins you do after you believe and actually follow His teachings... He tells you that you have to admit your sins to those you've injured. If they were paid for, why admit to anything? Iesu tells us that if we don't forgive a sin that is repented of our Father will not forgive us. That's not imputed-righteousness, either... it's works, period. The friend of God is the one who does God's Commandments as given to us by His Son Iesu. The unfriends rejoice that the Pharisees murdered the Son and worship the instrument of His death. Why? Because they don't have to be nice people who love their neighbors, since "all things are lawful" for them. Jude was right about where that road leads. It doesn't matter a hill of beans how many lists of "Paul says don't" you break, then. Paul's words not only contradict themselves ad nauseam, they keep a dead man dead... and he makes it so easy for them that they don't even have to look for the loopholes to slide through... he's done it for them.

The guy who said it was expedient for one man to die for Israel was the same man Iesu tells to his face that he has no right being a teacher. Iesu died to give us a way to follow Him. Before that, Iesu had the Holy Spirit full time... no sharing. It seems like John the Baptist lost the Spirit when Iesu took over... we see JohnB. asking if Iesu is the one they were seeking... before that, JohnB. witnessed to it. What changed was the placement of the Holy Spirit. Now, only those who love Iesu and keep His commandments are given the link of the Spirit of God. Those without works have a different spirit entirely. The Pharisees thought that making Iesu their scapegoat would keep them from spiritual death. But Iesu never accepts those who don't "continue with" Him. Salvation is all about our works, as Revelation so clearly shows those who have ears to hear.

Like I Said, You reveal your true nature to all who read of your hatred toward Peter and Paul the apostles of the Lord.

The tribe of Benjamin was effectively destroyed when 10 of the tribes of Israel, (Dan not included) Killed every man woman and child in the land of Benjamin, except for the six hundred fighting men from the tribe of Dan, who were forced to live among the Benjaminites because they were unable to remove the original inhabitants from the coastal land that was allocated to them.

Those 600 fighting men, with the wives that were given to them, were to later move north into the land of Sidon with their children and all their possessions, and after killing all the peaceful inhabitants of the town of Laish, they rebuilt the city and named it "DAN."

The later pseudo tribe of Benjamin, was counted from Benjaminite women who had married into the tribe of Judah before the lose of that tribe.

1 Kings 12: 21. When Rehoboam arrived in Jerusalem, he mustered all Judah and the tribe of Benjamin-a hundred and eighty thousand able young men-to go to war against Israel and to regain the kingdom for Rehoboam son of Solomon.

1 Kings 12: 20; When all the Israelites heard that Jeroboam had returned, they sent and called him to the assembly and made him king over all Israel. Only the tribe of Judah remained loyal to the house of David.

Did you see that "OtherSheep" 'Only the tribe of Judah (WITH THE CHILDREN OF THE BENJAMINITE WOMEN WHO HAD MARRIED INTO THAT TRIBE) remained loyal to the house of David.

Just as the 12th tribe of Benjamin was lost, so too the 12th disciple was destined to be lost.

The name 'Iscariot' means 'Man of Kerioth' and the pseudo tribe of Benjamin was settled in Hazor Kerioth after the 70 year captivity.

Paul, whose mother was a Roman citizen and whose father was a member of the pseudo tribe of Benjamin, was sent into Rome to gather in the required number of Gentiles, to replace the 12,000 Benjaminites among the 144,000 chosen ones.

The disciples attempted to replace Judas with one of their own choice, but they did not have that authority, for as Jesus chose the original 12, it was the glorified Jesus who chose Paul as his replacement.

I pray that you may see the light and turn from the hatred that is destroying you.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
These things saith he that is holy, he that is true,
he that hath the key of David, he that openeth,
and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

Revelation 3:6-9.

And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder;
So he shall open, and none shall shut;
And he shall shut, and none shall open.

Isaiah 22:22.

Revelation 3:6-9 establishes a direct link between the personage speaking in the text of the passage and the person described through prophetic utterance in Isaiah chapter 22 (with emphasis on verses 22 through 25). John the Revelator clearly takes it for granted that Isaiah 22:20-25 is speaking parabolically concerning someone other than Eliakim son of Hilkiah. He makes the statements that are found in Isaiah 22:22-25 apply directly to the person speaking in Revelation 3:6-9.

Linkages of this sort aren't uncommon throughout the Gospels and Apostolic Writings such that the link itself isn't worthy of a cutting exegetical analysis. On the other hand, what's more than worthy of careful examination is the manner in which the link between Revelation 3:6-9 and Isaiah 22:23-25 connect the latter passage to the cutting exegesis of Isaiah 53:9 that took place here earlier this self-same year.




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I believe you miss the point. The person who gives the key to Eliakim is the same one who holds the key in Rev.
 
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