BSM1
What? Me worry?
Except the grandkids want to know where the batteries go..
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Will Trump Let China Invade Taiwan?
- Thread starter Ellen Brown
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Except the grandkids want to know where the batteries go..
I'm sure China has it's delights....so long as one behaves as they require.
Gotta watch your religion & politics, lest the boat be rocked.
Yes that seems to be the case. Course this was just one guy too. Not exactly a large sample size. Still, the poverty of the masses during Imperial China was unimaginably extreme. People seem to conveniently forget about that.
Mao didn't appear to improve things in that regard.
In this increasingly conservative world economics takes precedence over friendship. I am sure some countries indebted to the US would want (need) to stay in your club and that would hurt china. It would also hurt the US.
America could not survive as is without access to overseas loans, defaulting on a such a debt would end access to the much needed money
I have as much evidence as you. However consider the military strength and budget of china compared to korea or vietnam.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
It is a matter of playing by the rules, and being prepared for them to change at a moments notice.
even Chinese business tycoons get it wrong. and end up dead.
But it is an exceedingly good life for those clever enough to keep up.
But no one is ever bigger than the state, nor can they challenge it.
China has been beaten by the Mongols, the Japanese and the British. but it always ends up the winner.
It adsorbs what it needs, or was lacking, and moves on.
America can not think along those long time frames.
Its politics is based on four year bites, and with no continuity and most of that time its government is stalemated.
The American debt to China can never be used as a weapon against China, as China does not need it, nor needs to rely on it.
However it is not held as a cash balance, it is invested, China now controls vast chunks of American business, finance, and real estate. It could destabilise the markets or industrial sectors, to its own advantage, any time it likes.
W3bcrowf3r
Active Member
Invading countries in these days which aren't invaded yet isn't going to happen fast. Else domino effect..
PS: Is there a reason you didn't reply anymore to my last pm i send you?
If we couldn't borrow from overseas lenders, I think we'd be better off.
Regarding military professionalism, I make no claim precisely because
I have no evidence that one is more so than the other.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
I am not sure I would want to start a war with china to find out.
Oh, I disagree.
If conflict arose, loss of assets would hurt China.
Ownership is a fickle thing, existing at the pleasure of government.
In a time of war, leaders here wouldn't allow China to exercise
domestic controls to our detriment. Ownership is, as we say in the
real estate business, a "bundle of rights". Individual sticks in the
bundle are regularly taken by government, even from citizens.
I wholeheartedly agree.
But we'll continue to speculate about it.
I doubt that, without loans it would be down to considerable tax increases for at least the next century just to keep the infrastructure up and running.
All i can go by is military strength and budget. And the fact they would be fighting on home turf.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
China would not start a war unless it knew it could win.
It is more likely to start an information/ data and financial war with out declaring it.
It might even have started one. It could be so insidious we have not noticed yet.
Who knows what it controls through third parties.
Or how many businesses and institutions are unknowingly doing its dirty work for it, because they think what they are doing is in their own best interest. like storing up moves in Go perhaps.
Wu Wei
ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
I tend to avoid these types of discussions....but just as a note
- in lists of large cities with the most millionaires, Beijing is in the top 10
- in lists of large cities with the most billionaires, Beijing is in the top 10 at 131 billionaires
- there are approximately 819 billionaires in China
- China is very much economy centric and it is trying to and beginning to succeed at competing with the US on the global market
- The US debt to China can be used as a weapon by the US because China is so economy focused and trying to out do the USA... but then that can potentially work both ways, for or against China
- A war with Taiwan would not help their economy at all
- Historically what China says it will do, or promises to do, is not necessarily what it will do. They know what the west wants to hear and they know what they are going to do and those are not always the same thing. And they know how to push the West's buttons, generally for the purpose of distraction (oh and I suspect they educated North Korea on this too)
- And lastly the current "Crack down on corruptions" has a whole lot more to do with getting rid of (political) problems for Xi than actually getting rid of corruption
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Aye, paying for spending with timely corresponding tax increases gives
voters immediate economic feedback. This would be great (IMO).
I don't envision fighting China with boots on the ground.
I expect missiles, bombers, & electronic warfare.
Bio, chem & nuclear weapons also wouldn't surprise me.
I agree, but would go further to say that they'd want more than a win.
They'd want a substantial profit from it.
I concur that the conflict would be complex.
Times have greatly changed since I was in the weapons industry.
Wu Wei
ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
Mostly electronic warfare and to some extent already going on. However one must take into account that the Chinese have taken the stance that a justifiable response to an attack on their electronic infrastructure and systems is "total war"
Depends who you talk to, though. I'm not sure, but I was influenced by the book Fanshen which was a case study of a single village. Some laws or changes improve the lives of some people, but at the same time make other lives worse. Bottom line, is I don't know.
Edited to add link: Fanshen - Wikipedia
BSM1
What? Me worry?
You gotta admit though, he wound up with about 45 million fewer suffering in his country...just sayin'.
Many stances are taken by all.
Which are bluffs & which are a line in the sand?
We don't know what they're really willing to do until they do it.