John 14:28

Faithofchristian · Jan 1, 2019

nPeace said:
Wait Jesus Christ is God the Father now? Not God the son anymore? Oh dear.
I take it you have scripture for this. Could you show me please?

Sure can produce scripture, but the question is, are you willing to accept it.

"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel"
Isaiah 7:14

" Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us" Matthew 1:23

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace" Isaiah 9:6

There you have it, Jesus Christ the child is born.
Jesus Christ Wonderful, Counsellor,The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father,The Prince of Peace.

Faithofchristian · Jan 1, 2019

wizanda said:
The Gospel of John is made up to destroy Yeshua's real teachings by the Sanhedrin, and to send the Gentiles to Hell.

Once we remove the false Pharisaic doctrine of Paul, and John theologically...

Yeshua or YHVH's father is El Elyon (The God Most High - Luke 1:32, Luke 6:35).

Since the Sanhedrin no longer accepted El Elyon as the father of YHVH (Matthew 11:27), they didn't understand Yeshua stating himself as YHVH Elohim, as they thought this means the Lord God; rather than the Archangel who was Lord of Creation, who then became the Lord who Saves (Yehoshua).

In my opinion.

So your saying, that Yeshua had chosen men that would only make up stories.

wizanda · Jan 1, 2019

Faithofchristian said:
So your saying, that Yeshua had chosen men that would only make up stories.

The deception and Abomination of Desolation was prophesied to happen because of the Messiah, yet not from his action.

The best way to catch out hypocrites (who will make their own texts up), is to let them fall into a pit of their own making, and then help them out after.

In my opinion.

Faithofchristian · Jan 1, 2019

wizanda said:
The deception and Abomination of Desolation was prophesied to happen because of the Messiah, yet not from his action.

The best way to catch out hypocrites (who will make their own texts up), is to let them fall into a pit of their own making, and then help them out after.

In my opinion.

Have you any idea who the Abomination of Desolation Represents?
which Messiah are you referring to?

Faithofchristian · Jan 1, 2019

blü 2 said:
Jesus is not a Trinitarian. He says he's Jesus, envoy and servant of God, having no powers other than those God lends him, and no purposes other than God's. He says that the Father is his god. In other words, he always distinguishes himself from God and he never claims to be God.

If you check the history of Christianity, you'll find the Trinity doctrine has vague roots in the third century but doesn't find its form until late in the fourth century. In other words, it didn't exist in Jesus' day.
The churches call the Trinity 'a mystery in the strict sense'. Such a mystery 'cannot be known by reason apart from revelation' and 'when revealed cannot be cogently demonstrated by reason' (their words, not mine). A moment's reflection will tell you that this is a polite way of describing a nonsense.

For Trinity purposes, there are two realistic models ─ first, that Father, Son and Ghost each constitute ⅓ of God ─ which the doctrine rejects ─ and second that (as the doctrine says) the Father is 100% of God and separately Jesus is 100% of God and separately from both the Ghost is 100% of God, which adds up to 300% = 3 gods. The doctrine rejects that too. Instead it says that 1+1+1=1 ─ which is indeed a nonsense.

And being a nonsense, it can have the consequences you mention ─ since God is Jesus' father and Jesus is 100% of God, Jesus is his own father and the Father has no special claim to such a title, being 100% of God too, just as the Ghost is 100% of God.

Likewise a Trinitarian Jesus on the cross cries out, 'Me, me, why have I forsaken me?' And so on.

As they say in the computer world, or used to, GIGO.

Seeing you call it non-sense

What you have is

1--God the Father
1--Son of God
1--Holy Spirit
Unto which equals the Trinity 3
But still only 1 God.

It seems you have a hard time with simple math.

wizanda · Jan 1, 2019

Faithofchristian said:
Have you any idea who the Abomination of Desolation Represents?

It represents the destruction and idolatry followed since the 2nd temple destruction.

Faithofchristian said:
which Messiah are you referring to?

Was referring to Yeshua.

In my opinion.

blü 2 · Jan 1, 2019

74x12 said:
I think you meant to quote someone else other than me because I didn't post that.

Gremlins! My apologies.

blü 2 · Jan 1, 2019

Faithofchristian said:
Seeing you call it non-sense

What you have is

1--God the Father
1--Son of God
1--Holy Spirit
Unto which equals the Trinity 3
But still only 1 God.

It seems you have a hard time with simple math.

So who answers the phone when you call God?

Faithofchristian · Jan 1, 2019

wizanda said:
It represents the destruction and idolatry followed since the 2nd temple destruction.

Was referring to Yeshua.

In my opinion.

What makes you think the Abomination of Desolation has anything to do with the temple?
How do you get Yeshua out of that?

Faithofchristian · Jan 1, 2019

blü 2 said:
So who answers the phone when you call God?

First, when praying to God it's thru Christ Jesus then to God the Father.

As Christ Jesus said that no one comes unto the Father but by him ( Christ Jesus)

wizanda · Jan 1, 2019

Faithofchristian said:
What makes you think the Abomination of Desolation has anything to do with the temple?
How do you get Yeshua out of that?

Daniel 9:26 After the sixty-two weeks the Anointed One will be cut off, and will have nothing. The people of the prince who come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end will be with a flood, and war will be even to the end. Desolations are determined.

This is specifically about Yeshua, and we can show this by the interlinking timelines.

In my opinion.

blü 2 · Jan 1, 2019

Faithofchristian said:
First, when praying to God it's thru Christ Jesus then to God the Father.

As Christ Jesus said that no one comes unto the Father but by him ( Christ Jesus)

But the Trinitarian isn't calling on the Father. He's calling on God. And since the Father and Jesus and the Ghost are each, in his or its own right, 100% of God, none of them is more or less accessible or important than the other two.

So my question is addressed to which of the three versions of the Trinitarian God answers when you call on God?

Faithofchristian · Jan 1, 2019

wizanda said:
Daniel 9:26 After the sixty-two weeks the Anointed One will be cut off, and will have nothing. The people of the prince who come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end will be with a flood, and war will be even to the end. Desolations are determined.

This is specifically about Yeshua, and we can show this by the interlinking timelines.

In my opinion.

So you believe the prince is Yeshau the Messiah.

Had you notice ( prince) ( p) is in lower case meaning this is not Yeshau

Yeshau is capital ( Prince) (P) showing a more importants.

The prince in Daniel 9:26 is the fake prince and not Yeshau the Prince.

Anything representing Yeshau is always in capital Prince ( P) anything less, is a
false prince -->(p) the true Prince--> ( P)

Faithofchristian · Jan 1, 2019

blü 2 said:
But the Trinitarian isn't calling on the Father. He's calling on God. And since the Father and Jesus and the Ghost are each, in his or its own right, 100% of God, none of them is more or less accessible or important than the other two.

So my question is addressed to which of the three versions of the Trinitarian God answers when you call on God?

Son of God, Holy Spirit, God the Father
But yet all 3 equal 1 God. The Trinity 3.

For a Christian we pray to God the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ.

blü 2 · Jan 1, 2019

Faithofchristian said:
Son of God, Holy Spirit, God the Father
But yet all 3 equal 1 God. The Trinity 3.

For a Christian we pray to God the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ.

Why? Are some flavors better than others? What does Jesus have that the Ghost lacks?

W3bcrowf3r · Jan 1, 2019

Faithofchristian said:
If you understood how Christ can be the Son and God.which is very easy to understand
My advice is for you to understand Spiritual things.
As it is written --"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned"

Seeing you have no knowledge how Christ Jesus can be God, but yet God the Father is greater than Jesus.

I see the trinity as a solid lie about the Holy Spirit which they invented and can not be found in the New Testament. I am talking about the New Testament in Greek, and not the translations made by the denominations who believe in the false doctrine of the trinity.

God is one, only YHVH our Father is God. There is no deity besides that of YHVH. Adam, Christ, the angels and everything that is, is created by YHVH and thus can't be God, and there can't be any gods besides the one and only God YHVH our Father.

Faithofchristian · Jan 1, 2019

blü 2 said:
Why? Are some flavors better than others? What does Jesus have that the Ghost lacks?

To answer your question, ( What does Jesus have that the Ghost lacks)

While Jesus was here on earth, Jesus was of flesh and blood, which the Holy Spirit does not have. That's what the Ghost lacks not being of flesh and blood.

blü 2 · Jan 1, 2019

Faithofchristian said:
To answer your question, ( What does Jesus have that the Ghost lacks)

While Jesus was here on earth, Jesus was of flesh and blood, which the Holy Spirit does not have. That's what the Ghost lacks not being of flesh and blood.

Really? But God in the form of Jesus has experienced that, and the Ghost is 100% of God, so the Ghost has experienced that too, surely? And the Father as well.

Faithofchristian · Jan 1, 2019

blü 2 said:
Really? But God in the form of Jesus has experienced that, and the Ghost is 100% of God, so the Ghost has experienced that too, surely? And the Father as well.

While Christ Jesus was here on earth, the Holy Spirit was not here on earth.
This is why Jesus said in John 16:7--"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you"

By what Christ Jesus has said here, the Holy Ghost was not here on earth while Jesus was here on earth.

Otherwise why would the Holy Ghost need to be sent, If he was already here with Christ Jesus on earth?

blü 2 · Jan 1, 2019

Faithofchristian said:
While Christ Jesus was here on earth, the Holy Spirit was not here on earth.
This is why Jesus said in John 16:7--"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you"

By what Christ Jesus has said here, the Holy Ghost was not here on earth while Jesus was here on earth.

Otherwise why would the Holy Ghost need to be sent, If he was already here with Christ Jesus?

Why would he need Jesus' permission to do anything at all? In Trinitarian doctrine he too is 100% of God. As for Jesus sending him, he's God, and so he's not for anyone to send.

But I'm not clear on who answers the phone when you call on the Trinitarian God. Do you know the answer?

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