Hm has anyone anywhere ever considered that the crowd might have been ripped apart by Jehovah? The crowd started out with one accord. But when the kids saw TWO ****ing bears appear some of them thought OMG! maybe I should stop insulting people!
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Literally The Bible
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Axe Elf
Prophet
Humans just take themselves too seriously.
Oh no! Humans were hurt! God's a monster!
Pfft. Humans just aren't all that. A heck of a lot of them were created for destruction to begin with, so when they die--oh well--no loss, no foul. Maybe this carnage was the method God used to demonstrate His existence and His sovereignty to some other people, so that more people who were created for salvation came to know God than the 42 who were created for destruction--and on the balance, goodness prevailed.
Oh no! Humans were hurt! God's a monster!
Pfft. Humans just aren't all that. A heck of a lot of them were created for destruction to begin with, so when they die--oh well--no loss, no foul. Maybe this carnage was the method God used to demonstrate His existence and His sovereignty to some other people, so that more people who were created for salvation came to know God than the 42 who were created for destruction--and on the balance, goodness prevailed.
OtherSheep
<--@ Titangel
Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
OtherSheep
<--@ Titangel
Nobody was created for destruction. Everyone who goes to Hades will have abundant proof, from all involved, that they earned it.
In other words, Paul was wrong again... in this case: his view of predestination versus God's actual foreknowledge of the inherent character of the man with whom God has to deal.
Blaming God will not be allowed at the judgment.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Maybe they've clicked on the idea that if they just don't bother responding to your posts that then there won't be anything to keep 'em going for too many pages?
Hmmmmm........ They could be getting wise to some threads.....
Axe Elf
Prophet
Yeah, your rogue interpretation of scripture means little to me.
"The Lord has made everything [to accommodate itself and contribute] to its own end and His own purpose--even the wicked [are fitted for their role] for the day of calamity and evil." --Proverbs 16:4 (Amplified Bible)
"And not only that, but this too: Rebecca conceived [two sons under exactly the same circumstances] by our forefather Isaac, and the children were yet unborn and had so far done nothing either good or evil. Even so, in order further to carry out God's purpose of selection (election, choice), which depends not on works or what men can do, but on Him Who calls [them], it was said to her that the elder [son] should serve the younger [son]. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated (held in relative disregard in comparison with My feeling for Jacob). What shall we conclude then? Is there injustice upon God's part? Certainly not! For He says to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy and I will have compassion (pity) on whom I will have compassion. So then [God's gift] is not a question of human will and human effort, but of God's mercy. [It depends not on one's own willingness nor on his strenuous exertion as in running a race, but on God's having mercy on him.] For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, I have raised you up for this very purpose of displaying My power in [dealing with] you, so that My name may be proclaimed the whole world over. So then He has mercy on whomever He wills (chooses) and He hardens (makes stubborn and unyielding the heart of) whomever He wills. You will say to me, Why then does He still find fault and blame us [for sinning]? For who can resist and withstand His will? But who are you, a mere man, to criticize and contradict and answer back to God? Will what is formed say to him that formed it, Why have you made me thus? Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same mass (lump) one vessel for beauty and distinction and honorable use, and another for menial or ignoble and dishonorable use?" --Romans 9:10-21 (Amplified Bible)
Of course they earned it, because they did those things which they were created to do, which led to their destruction.
"This Jesus, when delivered up according to the definite and fixed purpose and settled plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and put out of the way [killing Him] by the hands of lawless and wicked men." --Acts 2:23 (Amplified Bible)
"For in this city there actually met and plotted together against Your holy Child and Servant Jesus, Whom You consecrated by anointing, both Herod and Pontius Pilate with the Gentiles and peoples of Israel, to carry out all that Your hand and Your will and purpose had predestined (predetermined) should occur." --Acts 4:27-28 (Amplified Bible)
Paul was caused by God to write what he wrote in the Bible. The men who decided what books should be in the Bible were caused by God to make the decisions they made. Or do you think God is so impotent that mere men can overthrow His will? Maybe you even cling to the pride of thinking that you have free will? You don't...
"A man's mind plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps and makes them sure." --Proverbs 16:9 (Amplified Bible)
"The lot is cast into the lap, but the decision is wholly of the Lord [even the events that seem accidental are really ordered by Him]." --Proverbs 16:33 (Amplified Bible)
"Many plans are in a man's mind, but it is the Lord's purpose for him that will stand." --Proverbs 19:21 (Amplified Bible)
"Man's steps are ordered by the Lord. How then can a man understand his way?" --Proverbs 20:24 (Amplified Bible)
"O Lord [pleads Jeremiah in the name of the people], I know that [the determination of] the way of a man is not in himself; it is not in man [even in a strong man or in a man at his best] to direct his [own] steps." --Jeremiah 10:23 (Amplified Bible)
"We are assured and know that [God being a partner in their labor] all things work together and are [fitting into a plan] for good to and for those who love God and are called according to [His] design and purpose. For those whom He foreknew [of whom He was aware and loved beforehand], He also destined from the beginning [foreordaining them] to be molded into the image of His Son [and share inwardly His likeness], that He might become the firstborn among many brethren. And those whom He thus foreordained, He also called; and those whom He called, He also justified (acquitted, made righteous, putting them into right standing with Himself). And those whom He justified, He also glorified [raising them to a heavenly dignity and condition or state of being]." --Romans 8:28-30 (Amplified Bible)
"[He planned] for the maturity of the times and the climax of the ages to unify all things and head them up and consummate them in Christ, [both] things in heaven and things on the earth. In Him we also were made [God's] heritage (portion) and we obtained an inheritance; for we had been foreordained (chosen and appointed beforehand) in accordance with His purpose, Who works out everything in agreement with the counsel and design of His [own] will," --Ephesians 1:10-11 (Amplified Bible)
"For we are God's [own] handiwork (His workmanship), recreated in Christ Jesus, [born anew] that we may do those good works which God predestined (planned beforehand) for us [taking paths which He prepared ahead of time], that we should walk in them [living the good life which He prearranged and made ready for us to live]." --Ephesians 2:10 (Amplified Bible)
"[Not in your own strength] for it is God Who is all the while effectually at work in you [energizing and creating in you the power and desire], both to will and to work for His good pleasure and satisfaction and delight." --Phillippians 2:13 (Amplified Bible)
At the judgment, God will be recognized as the sovereign creator of all space and time, the architect of all things, the One who is in control of all things. To God will be the credit for all things.
"I form the light and create darkness, I make peace [national well-being] and I create [physical] evil (calamity); I am the Lord, Who does all these things." --Isaiah 45:7 (Amplified Bible)
"For [of course] every house is built and furnished by someone, but the Builder of all things and the Furnisher [of the entire equipment of all things] is God." --Hebrews 3:4 (Amplified Bible)
So you can take your little cherry-picking and arbitrary choosing of which authors of the Bible to believe and which not to believe, and run along, because I believe in a sovereign God Who is powerful enough to make His Bible say what He wants it to say, and Who is in control of all things--even me and you, despite your pride that says what Adam and Eve said in the Garden--"NO! I want to be my own god! I want to be in control of myself! I want free will!"
Taking credit for your own salvation will not be allowed at the judgment.
Skwim
Veteran Member
So, just where does childish name calling and its mauling consequence fit into Revelation 21:8?
In any case, you feel god was justified in sending bears to maul boys because they called someone baldy. All I can say is god help anyone who might come before any jury you serve on.
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Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Had anyone notice in the Bible/scriptures, it's not always referring to children as small children.
Notice in the bible/scriptures when Israel is spoken of, called the children of Israel. Not meaning they are all small children, but adults
Just because people are referred to as children, does not mean they are small children.
It only implies they are the children of their father and mother.
As with the children of Bethel, that came out of the city. does not mean they were small children. But grown ups/ adults.
What happens is, that when people reads the bible/scriptures, they soon forget that adults are referred to as children, such as Israel is called the children of Israel.
Not meaning that they are all children, but adults being the children of Israel.
Let's say, adults ages of 40 to 60 years old, but yet they are the children of their father and mother. But yet they are adults of old age, but yet children of their father and mother.
So not every time when children are made mentioning of, does it mean small children, but adults.
In this case the children being mention of in 2 kings 2:23, are the children of Bethel, which came out of the city which is called Bethel,
So they were not small children, but adults.
Notice in the bible/scriptures when Israel is spoken of, called the children of Israel. Not meaning they are all small children, but adults
Just because people are referred to as children, does not mean they are small children.
It only implies they are the children of their father and mother.
As with the children of Bethel, that came out of the city. does not mean they were small children. But grown ups/ adults.
What happens is, that when people reads the bible/scriptures, they soon forget that adults are referred to as children, such as Israel is called the children of Israel.
Not meaning that they are all children, but adults being the children of Israel.
Let's say, adults ages of 40 to 60 years old, but yet they are the children of their father and mother. But yet they are adults of old age, but yet children of their father and mother.
So not every time when children are made mentioning of, does it mean small children, but adults.
In this case the children being mention of in 2 kings 2:23, are the children of Bethel, which came out of the city which is called Bethel,
So they were not small children, but adults.
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Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
What makes you think that they were boys, as in small boys,
You do know in the Bible/scriptures Israel is referred to as the children of Israel.
Not meaning they are small children.but adults.
As in the case in 2 kings 2:23, these being the children of Bethel, which came out of the city which is called Bethel.
you are the child of your father and mother, it doesn't matter how old you are, your still the children of your father and mother.
As with the children of Bethel,
As with the children of Israel.
All are adults but still children of their parents.
Skwim
Veteran Member
What makes you think I necessarily consider them small boys?
This would be stupid if it wasn't so ridiculous. . . . . . . . . Nope, I take that back. It's stupid as well. It's probably the worst example of grabbing at straws I've ever seen in my eight and a half years on RF.
However, out of curiosity I looked into how 51 different versions of the Bible describe the boys.
Here is the count of the variations
"Boys" ...............14
"Small boys" ......11
"Young boys" .......6
Little boys"........... 4
"Little kids",,,,,,,.,,, 1
"Children"............. 2
"Little children"..... 4
"Young men" ........3
"Young people" ....1
"Lads".................. 1
"Young lads"........ 1
"youth" .................2
"Little youth".........1
OR Various forms of "Boys" .....35
.................................."Kids".........1
.................................."Lads"........2
................................."Youth"........3
............................."Children"........6
..................................."Men"........3
..............................."People"........1
Tell you anything? It should.
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TheresOnlyNow
The Mind Is Everything. U R What U Think
The boys learned something from that experience way back then. Imagine God's wrath when it falls upon two atheist puppeteers who are fond of mocking him.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
All a person has to do is read the Bible/ scriptures, Which Israel many time is called the children of Israel.
But yet they are adults.
So the same with the children of Bethel.
Are they all children No,
Seeing how back in your first post that you made mention ( some Boys Make fun of Elisha) and seeing that boys represents someone of a young age and not adults.
It's big difference, seeing they were all adults and not boys.of a young age.
OtherSheep
<--@ Titangel
Therefore "AxeElf, zen Xian", has already decided to blame God regarding those who don't believe Iesous... nor quotes Iesous even from the "(Amplified Bible)" interpolations.
For Example:
Revelation 22:18 "I testify and warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book [its predictions, consolations, and admonitions]: if anyone adds [anything] to them, God will add to him the plagues (afflictions, calamities) which are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from or distorts the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away [from that one] his share from the tree of life and from the holy city (new Jerusalem), which are written in this book."(Amplified Bible)
Iesous' sheep have been warned, and DO believe John 12:48 and Matthew 23:34-35.
John 10:12 "But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep."--Iesous
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lukethethird
unknown member
The moral of the story is that certain religious people will just as soon curse and kill you than look at you, best to avoid them and whatever you do, don't make fun of the bald ones.
OtherSheep
<--@ Titangel
Your OP's video is a product of actors, and actors lie for a living... and those ones blaspheme God.
As for the Old Testament, I believe the parts that Iesous quotes... within their context.
In John 17:20, Iesous says that we (His other sheep) will believe on Him because of the words that came from His disciple/apostles, which are those for which He prayed the Father. Matthew and John fit the description of disciples because they walked with Iesous the whole time and witnessed His resurrection. So the gospels of Matthew and John and the Revelation of the risen Christ are that upon which I rest. Matthew 28:19-20 tells us that precisely these disciples would teach "the nations" that which Iesous taught them. In John 12:48-50, Iesous says that the Father's words are life eternal, and therefore, that's what He taught... which verifies Deuteronomy 18:18-19.
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Skwim
Veteran Member
A stupid remark, but okay . . . . . . . . . .
What is a lesous, Jesus?
What does this have to do with god sending two bears to maul 42 boys because they called someone "baldy"?
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Axe Elf
Prophet
Fixed that for you.
OtherSheep
<--@ Titangel
Iesous is the literal translation... Ancient Greek doesn't have a J.
The problem is "go up", not "baldy."
OtherSheep
<--@ Titangel
Esaias 7:15 "Butter and honey shall he eat, before he knows either to prefer evil or choose the good."
Ieremias 18:1 The word that came from the Lord to 2 Jeremias, saying, Arise, and go down to the potter’s house, and there thou shalt hear My words. 3 So I went down to the potter’s house, and behold, he was making a vessel on the stones. 4 And the vessel which he was making with his hands fell: so he made it again another vessel, as it seemed good to him to make it. 5 And the word of the Lord came to me, saying,
6 Shall I not be able, O house of Israel, to do to you as this potter? behold, as the clay of the potter are ye in My hands. 7 If I shall pronounce a decree upon a nation, or upon a kingdom, to cut them off, and to destroy them; 8 and that nation turn from all their sins, then will I repent of the evils which I purposed to do to them. 9 And if I shall pronounce a decree upon a nation and kingdom, to rebuild and to plant it; 10 and they do evil before me, so as not to hearken to My voice, then will I repent of the good which I spoke of, to do it to them.
11 And now say to the men of Juda, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, Behold, I prepare evils against you, and devise a device against you: let every one turn now from his evil way, and amend your practices. 12 And they said, We will quit ourselves like men, for we will pursue our perverse ways, and we will perform each the lusts of his evil heart.
19:1 Then said the Lord to me, Go and get an earthen bottle, the work of the potter, and thou shalt bring some of the elders of the people, and of the priests; 2 and thou shalt go forth to the burial-place of the sons of their children, which is at the entrance of the gate of Charsith; and do thou read there all these words which I shall speak to thee: 3 and thou shalt say to them,
Hear ye the word of the Lord, ye kings of Juda, and men of Juda, and the dwellers in Jerusalem, and they that enter in by these gates; thus saith the Lord God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, so that the ears of every one that hears it shall tingle. ...
10 And thou shalt break the bottle in the sight of the men that go forth with thee, 11 and thou shalt say, Thus saith the Lord, Thus will I break in pieces this people, and this city, even as an earthen vessel is broken in pieces which cannot be mended again."
"But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
"But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.--Iesous, Matthios 15:24, 9:13
[In other words, Juda was righteous only because they did their sacrifices for sin at the temple.
But 10-tribed Israel had pretty much kept apart from Juda since the Divided Kingdom happened.
In fact, 10-tribed Israel is that nation which would bring forth the fruits of the Kingdom (Matthios 21:43), which was taken from Juda because Juda called for the crucifixion of Iesous.]
"I am come in My Father's name, and you receive Me not: if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive."--Iesous, Ioannes 5:43
"Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and of them ye shall kill and crucify; and of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar."--Iesous,
Matthaios 23:34-35
"Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against [them]. And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled [them] to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted [them] even unto strange cities."--Paul, Acts 26:10-11
"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."--Revelation 22:17
"And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak."--Iesous, Ioannes 12:50
"Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."--Revelation 3:10
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."--Revelation 12:14
"He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints."--Revelation 13:10
"Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."--Revelation 14:12
"These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with Him, called and chosen and faithful."-- Revelation 17:14
"And when the King came in to see the guests, He saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast [him] into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few [are] chosen."--Matthias 22:11-14
"Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of Me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see."--Iesous, Revelation 3:17-18
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The above references completely dismiss the pretensions of Paul and AE.
I can understand Talmudic-Paul wanting to save himself--a man condemned to die because he admitted to having personally fulfilled Matthew 23:34; but I cannot for the life of me understand why people don't see that Paul hadn't even repented of breaking the commandment of "thou shalt not kill" before the advent of a seeing/not seeing, falling/or standing, "angel of light" in the wilderness road to Damascus. Because if Matthew 23:25 is claimed to have been overturned, then Paul is preaching another god, straight up. Iesous is not a false prophet = Paul's conversion is a myth.
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Axe Elf
Prophet
WOW!!!
You are REALLY GOOD at quoting scripture and using colors to emphasize random passages!
Constructing rational arguments to establish conclusions, not so much...