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Does the Bible say Jesus is God? An interfaith debate.
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The NT does
the OT does not
the OT does not
The video makes some good points about the term Yeshua (H3444); yet has missed that Yeshua/YHVH's father is the God Most High (El Elyon) (Psalms 89:6, Psalms 29:1).
Thus we have one Lord of the Divine Beings (Yah Elohim), and One Source of Reality (El) (Isaiah 46:9).
That isn't fair; only the Gospel of John, and the forgeries at the beginning, and end paragraph of Revelation do.
The OT and NT align otherwise with a Divine Council, and One Source of Reality; where Yeshua was prophesied to be YHVH spirit in David's flesh.
Even to consider the Abrahamic texts as separate in a reality maintained by God, comes from naivety.
In my opinion.
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Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
The video makes some good points about the term Yeshua (H3444); yet has missed that Yeshua/YHVH's father is the God Most High (El Elyon) (Psalms 89:6, Psalms 29:1).
Thus we have one Lord of the Divine Beings (Yah Elohim), and One Source of Reality (El) (Isaiah 46:9).
That isn't fair; only the Gospel of John, and the forgeries at the beginning, and end paragraph of Revelation do.
The OT and NT align otherwise with a Divine Council, and One Source of Reality; where Yeshua was prophesied to be YHVH in David's flesh.
Even to consider the Abrahamic texts as separate in a reality maintained by God, comes from naivety.
In my opinion.
The old testament is not that for jews and the new testament for the Christians?
A Jew comes from the word Judah, which means "Praise the Lord".... The Tanakh (OT) prophesied the Lord would become Yeshua (Salvation) (Exodus 15:2, Psalms 118, Isaiah 12:2).
What Yeshua stated fits with the Tanakh; it is Christianity that came about after by John, Paul, and Simon, that contradicts what is prophesied in the OT.
In my opinion.
Axe Elf
Prophet
Yep. Not much to debate here.
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
Considering that some of the folks you and I might call Christians do not consider other folks that you and I might call Christians to be be Christians, perhaps interfaith is not so inaccurate a term.
As for the OP's question, our scripture, as you well know, says nothing, despite any assertions to the contrary that might be raised, about Jesus at all, let alone that Jesus is G-d.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
What a splendid sentence!
GoodbyeDave
Well-Known Member
In Mark 8, Jesus asked his disciples who they thought he was. Peter said "You're the messiah" and was congratulated. No-one said "You're God." Matthew's gospel adds "the son of the living God", but Mark's gospel is attested years before Matthew's (120s vs 170s). If by the Bible, you mean the texts assembled by Christians over a century after the crucifixion, then it does say that Jesus is God. But that's clearly not what the original Christians said. Josephus wrote that the Christians though Jesus had been the messiah, but he doesn't say that they called him divine.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe the OT is open for interpretation although some do not have open minds about the OT.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe I have never had Jesus say: "Don't read that it isn't for you."
joelr
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The Bible has no idea if Jesus is god or not?
Yes Jesus is God:
Matthew 9:2-6, Mark 2:3-12
Jesus ... said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee. And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth ... That ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.
John 5:16-18
Therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 10:30-31
I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
John 10:38-39
The Father is in me, and I in him. Therefore they sought again to take him.
John 14:9
He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.
John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Colossians 1:16
For by him [Jesus] were all things created.
Colossians 2:9
For in him [Jesus] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
1 Timothy 3:16
God was made manifest in the flesh.
Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.
Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Revelation 1:17
Fear not; I am the first and the last.
Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
No, Jesus is not god:
Matthew 19:17, Mark 10:18
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Matthew 27:46, Mark 15:34
My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Mark 16:19
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
John 8:40
But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God.
John 14:28
My Father is greater than I.
John 20:17
I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Acts 17:31
Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
1 Corinthians 11:3
The head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Colossians 3:1
Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
1 Peter 3:21-22
Jesus Christ: who is ... on the the right hand of God.
OtherSheep
<--@ Titangel
Matthew 16:15 [Iesous] saith unto them, "But whom say ye that I am?"
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Paul taught Romans 7:2... which says everything about him and his followers.
I follow only the Kingdom Gospel.: John says Iesous is God, and so does the gospel of Matthew.
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Paul taught Romans 7:2... which says everything about him and his followers.
I follow only the Kingdom Gospel.: John says Iesous is God, and so does the gospel of Matthew.
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CohenDavidson
Member
On the contrary... John 5:17-18 The word God is a description, not a person. If I am a son of a human, I am still a human. Human is a description, as God is a description that is used to explain qualities a being possesses. Jesus possessed the qualities of God, therefore he is the Son of God making hime equal with God the Father. Kinda confusing, just read it slowly a couple times. Lol. And by the way... Paul was an original christian, as well as the other New Testament writers and they believed Jesus was divinity.
SonOfElElyon
Member
The video makes some good points about the term Yeshua (H3444); yet has missed that Yeshua/YHVH's father is the God Most High (El Elyon) (Psalms 89:6, Psalms 29:1).
Thus we have one Lord of the Divine Beings (Yah Elohim), and One Source of Reality (El) (Isaiah 46:9).
That isn't fair; only the Gospel of John, and the forgeries at the beginning, and end paragraph of Revelation do.
The OT and NT align otherwise with a Divine Council, and One Source of Reality; where Yeshua was prophesied to be YHVH spirit in David's flesh.
Even to consider the Abrahamic texts as separate in a reality maintained by God, comes from naivety.
In my opinion.
CLOSE, yes my father is El Elyon... not Yahweh or Jehovah. I am El Shaddai/Adonai/Ha-Shem. I am NOT Yahweh.
Yahweh is one of my fathers 70 sons. I am not related to them, I am begotten.
NOWHERE ANYWHERE HAVE I SAID IM GOD BECAUSE I AM NOT, HOWEVER... THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE FATHER IS IN ME, IT ENTERED ME WHEN JOHN OPENED MY CROWN CHAKRA AND HE JUMPED IN MAKING ME THE TRINITY.
SO, stop guessing.
SonOfElElyon
Member
Flattering but you're not in love with me, you're in love with the idea of you loving me.
John's gospel does, as does Paul and the book of Revelation.