Can fat-shaming help people?

Spiderman · Dec 21, 2018

Saint Frankenstein said:
When did this thread become about me?

Okay, my bad. It doesn't sound like you are obese anyways. Sorry for asking.

Saint Frankenstein · Dec 21, 2018

PopeADope said:
Okay, my bad. It doesn't sound like you are obese anyways. Sorry for asking.

I am. I'm just not open to making this thread about me and whatever health issues I might have. :shrug:

Spiderman · Dec 21, 2018

Saint Frankenstein said:
I am. I'm just not open to making this thread about me and whatever health issues I might have.

I've just always been curious about how much diet is linked to obesity, and if a change in diet is usually the answer (with exercise of course).

Where I live, I do indeed see people a lot of who are in motorized carts or cannot barely walk due to obesity.

I wonder if that's because they are poor on food stamps and buying junk food?

Saint Frankenstein · Dec 21, 2018

PopeADope said:
I've just always been curious about how much diet is linked to obesity, and if a change in diet is usually the answer (with exercise of course).

Where I live, I do indeed see people a lot of who are in motorized carts or cannot barely walk due to obesity.

I wonder if that's because they are poor on food stamps and buying junk food?

There's a lot of different reasons. Many Urban poor live in food deserts (Food desert - Wikipedia), may not have enough time to be cooking meals from scratch, live in dangerous neighborhoods where exercising like walking and running down the street isn't a good idea, some might have food addictions, etc. There's a lot of reasons why.

Spiderman · Dec 21, 2018

Saint Frankenstein said:
There's a lot of different reasons. Many Urban poor live in food deserts (Food desert - Wikipedia), may not have enough time to be cooking meals from scratch, live in dangerous neighborhoods where exercising like walking and running down the street isn't a good idea, some might have food addictions, etc. There's a lot of reasons why.

Good to read, but I actually lost weight now that I live in the food desert compared to before. When I was in the IRTS facility and hospital, I developed somewhat of a potbelly that I no longer have (and my six pack is back).

As a foster child I lived at a place where they had dairy cows and they would skim all the cream off the top of the milk and fill jars of straight cream.

I would down jars of straight cream putting thousands of calories into myself instantly, and it never caused me to gain weight like I was hoping it would.

Saint Frankenstein · Dec 21, 2018

PopeADope said:
Good to read, but I actually lost weight now that I live in the food desert compared to before. When I was in the IRTS facility and hospital, I developed somewhat of a potbelly that I no longer have (and my six pack is back).

As a foster child I lived at a place where they had dairy cows and they would skim all the cream off the top of the milk and fill jars of straight cream.

I would down jars of straight cream putting thousands of calories into myself instantly, and it never caused me to gain weight like I was hoping it would.

Everyone's different.

Cacotopia · Dec 21, 2018

Just watch the BertIsFat/TomIsFat podcasting battle on either YMH, JRE, or the BertCast. Fat shaming is good, when it is amongst friends fat shaming strangers can get toxic. So there is an area where I think it is totally beneficial and a lot of other ares where it can be detrimental maybe push that fatty into eating more and gaining more.

You got to trigger the fat person into "**** you mode, I can do this." Then they will start turning their life around.

Spiderman · Dec 22, 2018

Cacotopia said:
Just watch the BertIsFat/TomIsFat podcasting battle on either YMH, JRE, or the BertCast. Fat shaming is good, when it is amongst friends fat shaming strangers can get toxic. So there is an area where I think it is totally beneficial and a lot of other ares where it can be detrimental maybe push that fatty into eating more and gaining more.

You got to trigger the fat person into "**** you mode, I can do this." Then they will start turning their life around.

How fat were you and what did your friend say to you that made you want to change your diet and exercise?

Spiderman · Dec 22, 2018

I have not traveled the world, but have heard there are countries where the only fat people you see are tourists

Spiderman · Dec 22, 2018

Still, I think a world without obese people would just not be as good.

Spiderman · Dec 22, 2018

I knew a guy who had been 400lbs who had gastric bypass surgery and became skinny as a concentration camp victim.

He lost all that weight but sort of lost his character as well imo

Cacotopia · Dec 22, 2018

PopeADope said:
How fat were you and what did your friend say to you that made you want to change your diet and exercise?

My orthopedist actually was the kicker. I had a knee injury in February this year he sad cause I was fat and most likely lazy that I couldn't make a full recovery in 2 months and I would be in rehab for 6 months to 1 year. Since then I have lost 50 kgs, 110 lbs and I also made a full recovery in 7 weeks.

I am Currently 154 kgs(339 lbs), from 204kgs(449 lbs). But I know I will be on the heavy side but I am also tall standing at 203 cm. (6'8")

Spiderman · Dec 22, 2018

Cacotopia said:
My orthopedist actually was the kicker. I had a knee injury in February this year he sad cause I was fat and most likely lazy that I couldn't make a full recovery in 2 months and I would be in rehab for 6 months to 1 year. Since then I have lost 50 kgs, 110 lbs and I also made a full recovery in 7 weeks.

I am Currently 154 kgs(339 lbs), from 204kgs(449 lbs). But I know I will be on the heavy side but I am also tall standing at 203 cm. (6'8")

Were you 400-plus pounds when you got in your motor bike wreck? That sounds very dangerous.

Congratulations on losing so much weight!

Spiderman · Dec 22, 2018

PopeADope said:
Were you 400-plus pounds when you got in your motor bike wreck? That sounds very dangerous.

Congratulations on losing so much weight!

I'm guessing you will continue to lose weight at the rate you're going.

Milton Platt · Dec 22, 2018

PopeADope said:
I love fat people. Chris Farley and John candy and so many people are more charming or amusing when they are obese.

I don't shame obese people but @Cacotopia said it was fat-shaming that caused him to lose weight.

Is fat shaming good in a situation like that with those results?

Maybe someone will be motivated by doing that. But how many other people will you harm along the way?

Cacotopia · Dec 26, 2018

If you have fat friends and you don't tell them to lose weight and allow them to slowly kill themselves you are a terrible friend.

Saint Frankenstein · Dec 26, 2018

Cacotopia said:
If you have fat friends and you don't tell them to lose weight and allow them to slowly kill themselves you are a terrible friend.

Or you could mind your own business. If I had a friend who constantly harped on my weight, they would not be my friend for long. It's one thing to show concern when someone is obviously suffering and their health is failing, like with those who have diabetes or can't walk. But it's quite another to bully and harrass people about it.

Spiderman · Dec 26, 2018

Saint Frankenstein said:
Or you could mind your own business. If I had a friend who constantly harped on my weight, they would not be my friend for long. It's one thing to show concern when someone is obviously suffering and their health is failing, like with those who have diabetes or can't walk. But it's quite another to bully and harrass people about it.

okay, but what about if you were a healthy weight and you had a friend who was morbidly obese, and you saw them eating twinkies and cupcakes all the time. They are hurting themselves badly, and potentially killing themselves.

I mean, isn't that similar to telling an addict to stop using drugs?

Saint Frankenstein · Dec 26, 2018

PopeADope said:
okay, but what about if you were a healthy weight and you had a friend who was morbidly obese, and you saw them eating twinkies and cupcakes all the time. They are hurting themselves badly, and potentially killing themselves.

I mean, isn't that similar to telling an addict to stop using drugs?

I'd talk about their diet with them, sure. We could try to eat healthier together.

Cacotopia · Dec 29, 2018

I don't remember where I say you should harass them, perhaps you could remind me.

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