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jew meets muslim

robtex

robtex

Veteran Member
Here is the plan. My buddy Reza just got back from Iran and I met up with him yesterday. He is a ****e and we are very good friends. As part of my personsal religious tolerance plan I want to take him to a Jewish Synagogue. I ran the plan by my ex-gf who is Jewish and she liked it but said it may not fly. Her father hates Muslims unconditionally which makes taken Reza to their synagogue an obstacle. Actually their rabbi is way cool (reform Jew) and would probably be open to the idea. I have not run the idea by Reza yet either but he is very open minded towards Christianty and a caring person overall so I dont' see it as a big obstacle. Any ideas before I leap into that could help me land on both feet?
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
You might wish to ckeck with Reza first. There are fundamentalist Muslims who, on religious grounds, would not enter a synagogue, much as there exist Orthodox Jews who would not enter a church. Also, I'm not quite sure why your personal religious tolerance plan would have you taking him to someone elses house of worship.
 
jewscout

jewscout

Religious Zionist
Deut. 32.8 said:
You might wish to ckeck with Reza first. There are fundamentalist Muslims who, on religious grounds, would not enter a synagogue, much as there exist Orthodox Jews who would not enter a church. Also, I'm not quite sure why your personal religious tolerance plan would have you taking him to someone elses house of worship.
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I agree w/ Deut on this one. You may want to check with Reza first and see how "religious" he is.
 
robtex

robtex

Veteran Member
All right good tips guys.....Duet to answer your question cause I am already religously tolerant.....I make it a point to, instead of propogating UU to propogate religous tolerance through education...like this place does but on a personal level and face to face. Yesterday a Christian said he thought Wiccian was a form of devil worship and I told him that they instead worship nature...he orginally thought they were evil and within 5 minutes and a much more accurate picture of the belief and a healthier opinion. To me that was a good day...I would love to go to a synagogue with Reza....but I will be carefull which is why I am throwing it out here first.
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
So, are you seeking to teach Reza? ... the Jewish congregation? Have either asked you for the lesson?

I don't wish to appear unkind, but this is not "take a 'negro' to lunch week". I'm not suggesting that you should not promote tolerance. But the kind of mediation you're suggesting carries with it a fair amount of responsibility. I'm sure you know Reza's past experiences with the "Jewish question". What do you know of the Temple congregants? Do any have friends or family in Israel. Have any of them had relatives impacted by the intifada? (This is not as all as unlikely as you might believe.)

If the Rabbi is 'cool guy', and if Reza has questions, maybe you could arrange a lunch, but please don't presume to walk into a temple (with or withour your friend) with the intent of teaching them (whoever 'them' is) tolerance.
 
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DontFearMe

Member
wow this is amazing to me. All peoples of faith are welcomed to the mosque here be you christian or jew, as long as you aren't there to cause any trouble. So, i dont see what the big issue is. And a muslims is not prohibited from entereing a church or synagogue. Good luck to you.
 
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Faminedynasty

Active Member
I think it is a good idea because it would demonstrate an aspect of Jewish culture that he certainly has not yet seen, and understanding is essential to tollerance. Besides, to my mind, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are basically different interpretations of the same God. And there was a time they viewed eachother as brothers. I don't know if it can ever be so again, but the world would be a better place.
 
nawab

nawab

Active Member
You know if a house of Worship is only for people who beleive in that particular faith, and not allowed to others then that kind of place would not be a house of God.

e.g. A Mosque no matter where you are, you can enter it without any permission from anyone not even the imam/head preist will stop me. Because a House of God should be open to everyone.
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
nawab said:
You know if a house of Worship is only for people who beleive in that particular faith, and not allowed to others then that kind of place would not be a house of God.

e.g. A Mosque no matter where you are, you can enter it without any permission from anyone not even the imam/head preist will stop me. Because a House of God should be open to everyone.
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Excellent. And note:
Under most interpretations of Islamic law, non-Muslims may be allowed into mosques, as long as they do not sleep or eat there; the dissenting opinion is presented by the followers of the Maliki school of Islamic jurisprudence, who argue that non-Muslims may not be allowed into mosques under any circumstances. ...

... Today, the decision on whether non-Muslims should be allowed to enter mosques varies. With few exceptions, mosques in the Arabian peninsula as well as Morocco do not allow entry to non-Muslims. For example, the Hassan II Mosque in Casablanca is one of only two mosques in Morocco currently open to non-Muslims. However, there are also many other places in the west as well as the Islamic world where non-Muslims are welcome to enter mosques. Most mosques in the United States, for example, report receiving non-Muslim visitors every month. Many Mosques throughout the United States welcome non-Muslims as a sign of openness to the rest of the community as well as to encourage conversions to Islam.

In modern-day Saudi Arabia, the Masjid al-Haram and all of Mecca are open only to Muslims. Likewise, the Masjid al-Nabawi and the city of Medina that surrounds it are also off-limits to those who do not practice Islam. For mosques in other areas, it has most commonly been taken that non-Muslims may only enter mosques if granted permission to do so by Muslims and if they have a legitimate reason. All entrants regardless of religious affiliation are expected to respect the rules and decorum for mosques.

- Non-Muslims in Mosques​
Your rejection of these mosques as a "house of God" is duly noted ...
 
3.14

3.14

Well-Known Member
i suggest you drug him then make him wake up inside this has 2 atvantages
1) the look on his face will be priceless
2) he can't protest against it
 
nawab

nawab

Active Member
See, brother, today there are alot of fatwas and majority of them and followed accordinging to logic and it just like A muslim can marry a Christian or a jewish lady but alot of fatwas today say that it is not allowed. but the marriage is allowed according to the quran. similarliy any mosque except Mecca and Medina it is acceptable for non-muslims to enter provided they take off the shoes. If a Mosque is a House of God it should open to everyone. My friend Daud burton converted to Islam after praying in the mosque for 15 years in Istanbul, Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens) s brother went to the Al Aqsa Mosque as a tourist which is a fact. Cat Stevens often visited mosques in London before he converted. I live in Hong Kong and we have tourists in the Mosque almost everyday.it is mainly due to cultural of the local area not really in Islam.

I didnt say that i rejected it is a house of God, it was a rectorical question. If it is a house of God which it is.
 
kai

kai

ragamuffin
are you some kind of mad profesor, is this some kind of psychological experiment, this is the thin end of the wedge , what next a visit to the scientologists and maybe even a meeting with the TOM. lol
 
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Colabomb

Member
I don't get why an atheist would be interested in dragging a friend to another religion's house of worship. I am for religious tolerance and respect, but Do I have to attend another's religious services to have respect?
 
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