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Should I wait for the explanation then? I don't think you can do this.
If you have evidence to the contrary, I am willing to entertain it. It never changes God if we believe in him or not, for God is not created in our image. The truth is, regardless of your acceptance of it.
It's elementary, my dear NetDoc. We'll begin with an example: If someone you were close to were to die, you would enter what psychiatrists refer to as a 'grief period'. Clinically, it is marked by an imbalance of certain hormones within the brain, which cause feelings of sadness, despair, anxiety, etc. Normally, a person's hormones will naturally recover and balance themselves out, however if they don't, the person is considered to be clinically depressed and must be put on medication. Clinical depression can be caused by genetic tendencies, or an extreme greif period that one can't naturally recover from. For instance, my grandmother's brother, sister, and best friend all died within one year. She entered into three grief periods, obviously, and usually entered one without fully recovering from the other. This 'dug her deeper' than what she could naturally recover from, and she now requires medication to help her recover from her depression.
As you can see, these endorphins create a 'euphoria', and/or, happiness and love. Endorphins are also responsible for bonding two people together. Nerves in a woman's mammary glands release endorphins when her baby breastfeeds, thus creating that maternal bond. Both women and men (women moreso than men) relase bonding endorphins during sexual activity.(ndôr´f
nz) ([size=-1]KEY[/size]) , neurotransmitters found in the brain that have pain-relieving properties similar to morphine. There are three major types of endorphins: beta endorpins, found primarily in the pituitary gland; and enkephalins and dynorphin, both distributed throughout the nervous system. Endorphins interact with opiate receptor neurons to reduce the intensity of pain: among individuals afflicted with chronic pain disorders, endorphins are often found in high numbers. Many painkilling drugs, such as morphine and codeine, act like endorphins and actually activate opiate receptors. Besides behaving as a pain regulator, endorphins are also thought to be connected to physiological processes including euphoric feelings, appetite modulation, and the release of sex hormones. Prolonged, continuous exercise contributes to an increased production and release of endorphins, resulting in a sense of euphoria that has been popularly labeled runners high.
Evidence to the contrary? I cannot provide contrary evidence until I am provided with evidence to refute. Your last sentence is very true, however I hope you realize that it holds true for you as well as me.
In other words, if we assume people who become more loving are becoming more like God, we can prove that people who become more loving are becoming more like God.Net Doc said:
Why? How? Do animals enter this "grief period"? Where does the "caring" come from that enables me to grieve? Do animals need this hormone threapy to recover? What actually triggers these hormones? I don't see that explained yet.
Yes, animals do experience this. Haven't you ever read Where the Red Fern Grows, where 'Lil Ann dies laying on top of Dan's grave? Hormone therapy could work on animals, however it's not a particularly active field of research right now.
If the premise of the Book of Spinkles is TRUE (that you are indeed awesome, and not "ah, son"), then ergo the rest follows. If we become more like you then we would also have your traits. Now just what would these "fruits of awesome" be? Can we quantify that at all?
This is your idea of science???
thanks for the reply.Mr_Spinkles said:
1) There are scientific explanations for emotions like love and hate. To learn more, go to a library and check out a book on psychology. They're free. 2) Even if there weren't scientific explanations for emotions like love and hate, that would not be scientific evidence for a soul. You are making what is known as an argument from ignorance.Net Doc said:
Why, no, I can't! I guess what I said was pretty unscientific after all.NetDoc said:
:biglaugh:NetDoc said:
No silly, a survey administered with all subjects present would be popular consensus. In an experiment, controls exist for a reason. The subjects would be seperated, so if they don't really have taste, they would have to guess. Either the people with taste really do have some sort of tongue-sense that allows them all to discern between otherwise indistinguishable items, or all the tasters are lying and they all just happened to guess correctly the whole time. Given dozens of trials and dozens of subjects, with a 50/50 shot of guessing incorrectly each time, which is the more likely conclusion? Face it: the argument from a-blind-man-does-not-have-any-scientific-evidence-for-colors is just silly.HelpMe said:
excuse me, i was reading about 6? pages and making 2 replies at once, i missed this aspect.again, i never took on the tm argument as my own to defend.but i found it peculiar that you didn't respond to the main points of that paragraph.for rather obvious reasons which you haven't addressed here nor there i chose the brighter(imo) blind man angle.i considered responding there, but i would feel uncomfortable bringing a thread from page 2 to discuss again, and would likely be accused of beating a dead horse either way i think.
