The Bible

The Bible has been for many years have been taken out of it's contexts.

The Bible tells us that God has no beginning nor end.

Most if not all of people haven't a clue or idea, seeing that God has no beginning nor end, are we to assume that God created nothing until Adam and Eve were created.
The Bible doesn't say this nor confirms this.
The Bible however does say and confirms, there was life on Earth millions to billions of years way before Adam and Eve and everything thats on earth came to be.

So the question is, how far back do you suppose the bible will go to explain how many millions to billions of years, That will tell us about who what was on earth all those millions to billions of years ago and what brought us to be here?

Faithofchristian said:

The Bible has been for many years have been taken out of it's contexts.

The Bible tells us that God has no beginning nor end.

Most if not all of people haven't a clue or idea, seeing that God has no beginning nor end, are we to assume that God created nothing until Adam and Eve were created.
The Bible doesn't say this nor confirms this.

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I think it does. First of all there is God's first act of creation, Jesus (in spirit form as he was known in heaven before coming to Earth) and the heavens and angels, then Earth and all it's inhabitants and finally, man and woman.

John 17:5 / John 8:23 / Colossians 1:15-17 / Job 38:4-7

Faithofchristian said:

The Bible however does say and confirms, there was life on Earth millions to billions of years way before Adam and Eve and everything thats on earth came to be.

So the question is, how far back do you suppose the bible will go to explain how many millions to billions of years, That will tell us about who what was on earth all those millions to billions of years ago and what brought us to be here?

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I wouldn't agree that the Bible says that directly.

The Bible, I find, is much better at declaration than explanation. I don't see any way an accurate timeline of creation can be gleaned from it, nor do its authors seem particularly concerned with precise chronology.

Faithofchristian said:

The Bible has been for many years have been taken out of it's contexts.

The Bible tells us that God has no beginning nor end.

Most if not all of people haven't a clue or idea, seeing that God has no beginning nor end, are we to assume that God created nothing until Adam and Eve were created.
The Bible doesn't say this nor confirms this.
The Bible however does say and confirms, there was life on Earth millions to billions of years way before Adam and Eve and everything thats on earth came to be.

So the question is, how far back do you suppose the bible will go to explain how many millions to billions of years, That will tell us about who what was on earth all those millions to billions of years ago and what brought us to be here?

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The Bible is false, because as I've noted elsewhere in some other discussions about Christianity, Jesus's family tree has a time span of 77 generations listed between his generation and Adam whom the Bible claims was the "first man". Reference: (Luke 3:23-38) and Eve whom the Bible claims as the mother of all the living. (Genesis 3:20)

However, the Australian aborigines have evidently been in Australia for over a thousand consecutive generations. Reference: Aboriginal Australians - Wikipedia

There have been hundreds of generations of Native Americans between the time their common ancestry migrated from Asia until the time of Christ.

Reference: Native Americans in the United States - Wikipedia

Of course, the Bible is wrong; in fact, there were people prior to the 76th generation before Christ that allegedly was spawned by Adam and Eve.

Adam as being the first man and perpetrator of original sin is an important premise of Christianity. If Adam wasn't the first man, then there isn't actually any "origin sin". Jesus supposedly died on the Cross to save humankind from "original sin". If there isn't any "original sin" from which to be saved, then Jesus Christ's death on the Cross is pretty pointless and meaningless. Evidently, there were many generations of people prior to the 76th generation before Christ whom the Bible claims was spawned by Adam. So then, Adam, Eve and original sin are mythological. There is neither any "first man" nor "original sin" throughout human evolution. Thus, Jesus Christ having died on the cross to save mankind from "original sin" is not reality but is rather mythological.

Faithofchristian said:

Most if not all of people haven't a clue or idea, seeing that God has no beginning nor end, are we to assume that God created nothing until Adam and Eve were created.
The Bible doesn't say this nor confirms this.

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In Genesis 1:1 is says that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. It doesn't say how long that took and we don't have scientific details about that creation process. But the Bible is not and was never meant to be a scientific manual so that's fine. According to the same chapter of Genesis, Adam was one of the last to be created, not the first.

Vee said:

In Genesis 1:1 is says that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. It doesn't say how long that took and we don't have scientific details about that creation process. But the Bible is not and was never meant to be a scientific manual so that's fine. According to the same chapter of Genesis, Adam was one of the last to be created, not the first.

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That's right, The earth and heavens were already there, way before God created anything on the earth

If you read Genesis 1:1-31, there is no where made mention about God creating the atmosphere/air, So where did the Atmosphere/air come from. Seeing there's no where in Genesis 1:1-31 saying God created the atmosphere/air.

This means the earth was already there and the atmosphere/air on the earth, was already there also.

That's right, Adam was not the first to be created, There's the 6 day creation of male and female.

Look

God created male and female on day 6

Then God rested on day 7

And then on day 8 God created Adam and Eve.

So what we have is
day 7 standing in between those created on day 6 and those created on day 8.

Vee said:

the Bible is not and was never meant to be a scientific manual

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Trying to force the symbolic into a literal meaning also is turning some away from Christianity. Because to even attempt that people have to ignore the contradictions in the Bible and disbelieve in science because they reject the very methods of science.

They also don't apply the part of the Bible that says Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. by insisting on viewing the Bible literally.

Sometimes I'm kind of embarrassed to be a Xian.

Faithofchristian said:

That's right, The earth and heavens were already there, way before God created anything on the earth

If you read Genesis 1:1-31, there is no where made mention about God creating the atmosphere/air, So where did the Atmosphere/air come from. Seeing there's no where in Genesis 1:1-31 saying God created the atmosphere/air.

This means the earth was already there and the atmosphere/air on the earth, was already there also.

That's right, Adam was not the first to be created, There's the 6 day creation of male and female.

Look

God created male and female on day 6

Then God rested on day 7

And then on day 8 God created Adam and Eve.

So what we have is
day 7 standing in between those created on day 6 and those created on day 8.

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You know this for sure, eh!!!

Faithofchristian said:

The Bible has been for many years have been taken out of it's contexts.

The Bible tells us that God has no beginning nor end.

Most if not all of people haven't a clue or idea, seeing that God has no beginning nor end, are we to assume that God created nothing until Adam and Eve were created.
The Bible doesn't say this nor confirms this.
The Bible however does say and confirms, there was life on Earth millions to billions of years way before Adam and Eve and everything thats on earth came to be.

So the question is, how far back do you suppose the bible will go to explain how many millions to billions of years, That will tell us about who what was on earth all those millions to billions of years ago and what brought us to be here?

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GOD ? The GOD of the BIBLE ? which Bible...jehovah's Witness ? latter day Saint ? 7 th day Adventist Coptic christian ?

.....++++ countless other ABSURD rewrites and add on GARBAGE to the so called original HEBREW text....

The JEWS...had your Jesus ?...Son of some GOD ? hoax EXECUTED by ROMANS ! they were to smart to have blood on their hands...just the DECEPTION ! ...and WHY did ROME comply and create the spectacle of the JESUS beating-whipping and nailed to a cross spectacle ? for the JEWS ? really IDIOT....NO not the JEWS ....

For ROME....to make the transition of EMPIRE with a paid army to EMPIRE cloaked behind the Roman Catholic CHURCH....and use the hypnotized jesus hoax believers to assimilate the masses into the CHURCH CULT for POWER and CONTROL....

GOD is a human fabricated HOAX...a TOOL...both JESUS and ALLAH are Middle East GOD constructs for POWER...
both are man made hoaxes...that are used as TROJAN HORSES for assimilation...these GODS are a total FARCE...

and used as a scapegoats to HYPNOTIZE the masses into dumbed down sheeple slave asses...

The foundation of the Roman Church is FEAR-INTIMIDATION-VIOLENCE...the same goes for the JEW old testament GOD..a verified LUNATIC PSYCHOPATH...demanding DEATH and DESTRUCTION towards all that do not CONFORM to truly horrific DOGMA

The Bible ? and the Koran..are both designed to HYPNOTIZE and ENSLAVE mentally deficient humans into slavery...to
OBEY without question some Preacher Clown in a halloween Glory Gown Costume that plays GOD....

No human knows the truth about how Billions of galaxies and trillions of worlds came about....and to sum it all up with a human fabricated COMIC BOOK FARCE is beyond RETARDED...humans have invented and trashed thousands of GODS over the ages...did the GODS retire or announce their departure from GOD status ? how STUPID.....oh , but Jesus and Allah are true GODS and worth MURDERING and DESTROYING over ......

When the CON ARTIST Christian/Jesus and Muslim/Allah God PARASITE VAMPIRES for power are reduced ti IRRELEVANT
then humanity can continue the search for answers...to the creation question...the Christian and Muslim are dedicated to FEAR-INTIMIDATION-VIOLENCE..they are the PARASITES of EARTH....not the inspiration for growth and prosperity...

if there is a GOD ? it will certainly EXTERMINATE every con artist scum that uses the JEW-JESUS-ALLAH God hoaxes for power and control.....

No human ever needs to be VALIDATED and APPROVED to exist and DIE by some christian or muslim GOD hypnotized parasite vampire....

Valjean said:

The Bible, I find, is much better at declaration than explanation. I don't see any way an accurate timeline of creation can be gleaned from it, nor do its authors seem particularly concerned with precise chronology.

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Seriously? Genesis 5:1-29 and Genesis 7:6 give a time period of 1,656 years.

From Adam’s creation to the birth of Seth 130 years
Then to the birth of Enosh 105 years
To the birth of Kenan 90 years
To the birth of Mahalalel 70 years
To the birth of Jared 65 years
To the birth of Enoch 162 years
To the birth of Methuselah 65 years
To the birth of Lamech 187 years
To the birth of Noah 182 years
To the Flood 600 years

If you assign a date that the Bible and secular history can agree upon you can take this day, Tuesday, Dec. 25, 2018 to the creation of Adam using Bible chronology.

Salvador said:

The Bible is false, because as I've noted elsewhere in some other discussions about Christianity, Jesus's family tree has a time span of 77 generations listed between his generation and Adam whom the Bible claims was the "first man". Reference: (Luke 3:23-38) and Eve whom the Bible claims as the mother of all the living. (Genesis 3:20)

However, the Australian aborigines have evidently been in Australia for over a thousand consecutive generations. Reference: Aboriginal Australians - Wikipedia

There have been hundreds of generations of Native Americans between the time their common ancestry migrated from Asia until the time of Christ.

Reference: Native Americans in the United States - Wikipedia

Of course, the Bible is wrong; in fact, there were people prior to the 76th generation before Christ that allegedly was spawned by Adam and Eve.

Adam as being the first man and perpetrator of original sin is an important premise of Christianity. If Adam wasn't the first man, then there isn't actually any "origin sin". Jesus supposedly died on the Cross to save humankind from "original sin". If there isn't any "original sin" from which to be saved, then Jesus Christ's death on the Cross is pretty pointless and meaningless. Evidently, there were many generations of people prior to the 76th generation before Christ whom the Bible claims was spawned by Adam. So then, Adam, Eve and original sin are mythological. There is neither any "first man" nor "original sin" throughout human evolution. Thus, Jesus Christ having died on the cross to save mankind from "original sin" is not reality but is rather mythological.

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There is so much wrong with the premise to your conclusion that the Bible is false. First of all the Aboriginal and Native Americans were not contemplating the number of one man, as the verses in the Bible dealing with Jesus were. There were myriads of people listed in the Jewish chronologies, not all of them had anything to do with Jesus. Secondly when establishing the claim of Jesus' chronology not every single person in that line needed to be named. Only a few were necessary. Thirdly, and unrelated to chronology, just as an aside, Jesus didn't die on a cross, he died on a Hebrew torture stake. A simple upright pole. The cross didn't infiltrate Christianity until Constantine.

The only thing you got right in your post was that if Adam and original sin wasn't real then there would have been no need for a Messiah to deliver us from that sin.

[Edit to add:] Another point of consideration is that before the flood people, like Adam, could live up to over 900 years.

Axe Elf said:

Sometimes I'm kind of embarrassed to be a Xian.

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That is a shame because most likely all of the things that make you embarrassed to be a Christian are probably misunderstandings on the part of unbelievers, and possibly believers as well, if I understand your meaning here.

CHRISTIANS ? a pack of Con Artist THUGS...who use the JEWISH boy Son of some GOD ? (who is JESUS DADDY ?)

......use the JESUS boy GOD farce as a scapegoat to HARM others....with hundreds of idiotic CHURCH spins and conflicts over the JESUS boy...it's no wonder this kid doesn't return to his DADDY's nightmare human creation....it's been 2000 years since the boy was MURDERED by ROMANS on behalf of the JEWS who condemned hum ! what a JOKE....

Like where was the MOSES GOD ? jesus popped out of some illiterate tribal JEWISH VIRGIN GIRL (what a joke) 1500 years after MOSES spoke with the only GOD ? that counts.....

Counts for the true JEWISH bloodline...not some lowly Christian knock off ! a story the sumerians had for GILGAMESH ! thousands of years before this Jesus clown shows up !

JESUS.... has to arrive 1,500 years after MOSES ! later to fix his DADDY's ? human creation DISASTER....how stupid is this crap ........

OK fool...what of Jesus neighbor GOD farce.... ALLAH ? Think the ARABS were going to let some JEWISH throw away GOD hoax trample them into conversion ! Hahahaha....what a JOKE....no way....so ALLAH shows up 600 years after the JESUS
spectacle of CRUCIFICTION....

So for the Middle East...which GOD is GOD....the Moses JEW GOD of the Old testament ? the JESUS boy farce invention with some new Testament trash...or ALLAH..the GOD illiterate MUHAMMAD spoke to and invented ISLAM with ?

............and NO MATTER which GOD hoax YOU CHOOSE or are forced to accept...the other 2 GOD believers will not ACCEPT YOU...they will CONDEMN YOU and want YOU DEAD ! great...just great...every rone has a GOD they can use to MURDER all those who do not accept IT !

This is what GOD is all about...a PATHETIC scapegoat for psychotic VAMPIRES...to assimilate and oppress humans with

Earthling said:

That is a shame because most likely all of the things that make you embarrassed to be a Christian are probably misunderstandings on the part of unbelievers, and possibly believers as well, if I understand your meaning here.

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Oh, not at all. Misunderstandings are perfectly fine--as a prophet, it is my place and my gift to correct misunderstandings. Without misunderstandings, there would be virtually no need for prophets at all. I am always ready, willing and able to assist anyone with a sincere desire to learn about God and spirituality.

The thing that makes me feel embarrassed to be a Xian is the incessant nonsense that's spouted as if it were truth. And this is not a new or recent problem, either. I identify to a large extent with the sentiments of St. Augustine, expressed in 401 AD in his treatise "The Literal Meaning of Genesis":

"Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion."

So apparently St. Augustine was sometimes embarrassed to be a Xian by what he heard Xians spouting as if it were truth, too.

Earthling said:

Seriously? Genesis 5:1-29 and Genesis 7:6 give a time period of 1,656 years.

From Adam’s creation to the birth of Seth 130 years
Then to the birth of Enosh 105 years
To the birth of Kenan 90 years
To the birth of Mahalalel 70 years
To the birth of Jared 65 years
To the birth of Enoch 162 years
To the birth of Methuselah 65 years
To the birth of Lamech 187 years
To the birth of Noah 182 years
To the Flood 600 years

If you assign a date that the Bible and secular history can agree upon you can take this day, Tuesday, Dec. 25, 2018 to the creation of Adam using Bible chronology.

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How old do you think the earth is, then? How long ago was life created, and man?

Valjean said:

How old do you think the earth is, then? How long ago was life created, and man?

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An in depth answer can be found on my website page on Genesis Chapter 1 (Link). To quickly answer your question the Bible gives no indication of the age of the universe and Earth. Adam was created in 4026 B.C.E., likely in the autumn, around October 1 (Gregorian).

Earthling said:

An in depth answer can be found on my website page on Genesis Chapter 1 (Link). To quickly answer your question the Bible gives no indication of the age of the universe and Earth. Adam was created in 4026 B.C.E., likely in the autumn, around October 1 (Gregorian).

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Aside from an unresearched and improbable chronology in a collection of religious folklore, what evidence do you have for this?

Valjean said:

How old do you think the earth is, then? How long ago was life created, and man?

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The actual timeline is guesstimated in billions of years (3-5).....carbon dating seems to offer irrefutable proof ? but the discovery of Quantum mechanics
and string theories....gives rise to possibilities where time is irrelevant...there is more to discover...but not with the HYPNOTIZED
Religious psychopaths who have to be RIGHT and not questioned....

These PARASITE VAMPIRES destroy the curious open minded human from exploring.....they want dumbed down slave drones to serve them....their GOD is a pathetic hoax scapegoat forced between the ears of ignorant weak minded humans...

The possibilities of anything are worth questioning..the Middle East GOD parasites refuse to accept anything other than what some Tribal lunatic running around a remote desert says about some GOD meetup ! long long ago ! what a JOKE ......

The religious psychopaths destroyed the Ancient Library of alexandria (Egypt 400 AD) and the amazing Ancient Sumerian and Egyptian Civilizations have much to DISCOVER and are closed off to exploration...again by RELIGIOUS psychotic parasites...

they know the amazing TRUTH that these highly advanced civilizations had nothing to do with some Jesus or Allah GOD garbage....they have everything to lose and are sacrificing humanity and EARTH to save their psychotic EGOS....

Valjean said:

Aside from an unresearched and improbable chronology in a collection of religious folklore, what evidence do you have for this?

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You're seriously asking me what sort of evidence I have other than an unrehearsed and improbable chronology in a collection of religious folklore regarding the absence of any reference to an age of the universe and earth and creation date of Adam? I'm not sure I if I should be insulted or just generally puzzled.